Herd of cattle stolen- IFA €10,000 REWARD

Farmer

I can't figure the haulier bit, why would someone risk it (unless he's behind it) as he's the most likely to be traced. Otherwise it's hard to believe that he's innocently involved at this point

whelan2

Farmer wrote: »

I can't figure the haulier bit, why would someone risk it (unless he's behind it) as he's the most likely to be traced. Otherwise it's hard to believe that he's innocently involved at this point

assume if he was innocent he would have come forward by now, would a lorry and drag hold that amount of stock?

keep going

So theres 9 calves that have to be re identified, alot for one herd plus the cows may or may not stay together.add in 40 yearlings which would probaly not be slaughtered to be re identified whereas the 2 yearolds could be slaughtered but that leaves you finding a home for 6 or 7 ton of meat.the sheer scale here is so suspicious, if they do have set up that can handle this volume of stuff there is a large organisation involved could be a d8zen people involved or more which in my view most criminal s would balk at as it increases risk.the whole thing strikes me as just too risky for the return involved but we will wait ans see

mf240

The calves could be registered to empty stripper cows .

My money is on the whole lot being slauthered and sold as meat.

mf240

Just thinking whats the chances these guys were armed.

If you were unlucky enough to be targeted by them and happened to discover them . What would be your best move..

Cattlepen

I really think people are getting carried away with conspiracy theories here. This whole thing might not be as it seems. Give it time and I'll bet this won't be rustling as we know it. It simply doesn't happen on this scale. There isn't a crime gang this side of Sicily could pull it off

ComfortKid

Cattlepen wrote:

I really think people are getting carried away with conspiracy theories here. This whole thing might not be as it seems. Give it time and I'll bet this won't be rustling as we know it. It simply doesn't happen on this scale. There isn't a crime gang this side of Sicily could pull it off

What's the conspiracy?

And the cattle are gone so obviously someone pulled it off!

djmc

Is it happening more around border county's
Would the boys that were at the diesel be getting
a new source of revenue just taking a guess on the level of organisation involved

Jimlh86

Cattlepen wrote: »

I really think people are getting carried away with conspiracy theories here. This whole thing might not be as it seems. Give it time and I'll bet this won't be rustling as we know it. It simply doesn't happen on this scale. There isn't a crime gang this side of Sicily could pull it off

Was chatting to a neighbour earlier, he reckons theirs more to it than meets the eye. He reckons that's too many cattle to take in one go and then get rid of? He thinks that whoever took them had to know the area and probably the stick too to be able to handle them

masculinist

ComfortKid wrote: »

What's the conspiracy?

And the cattle are gone so obviously someone pulled it off!

I can think of a half dozen ideas for a conspiracy but is it wise to discuss this case while its under investigation ?

ComfortKid

masculinist wrote:

I can think of a half dozen ideas for a conspiracy but is it wise to discuss this case while its under investigation ?

A previous poster said we're getting carried away with conspiracy theories on this thread, so I want to know what conspiracies he's on about.

masculinist

ComfortKid wrote: »

A previous poster said we're getting carried away with conspiracy theories on this thread, so I want to know what conspiracies he's on about.

I can think of a few lines of enquiry but the Garda will already know to suspect all possibilities. Any group of people agreeing to operate in secret and hold secrets; would that not be the definition of a conspiracy ?

ComfortKid

masculinist wrote:

I can think of a few lines of enquiry but the Garda will already know to suspect all possibilities. Any group of people agreeing to operate in secret and hold secrets; would that not be the definition of a conspiracy ?

masculinist wrote:

I can think of a few lines of enquiry but the Garda will already know to suspect all possibilities. Any group of people agreeing to operate in secret and hold secrets; would that not be the definition of a conspiracy ?

What are you on about at all? He said WE are getting carried away with conspiracy theories. No one on this thread has talked about conspiracy theories. A conspiracy would be that the farmer was in on it himself. No one on this thread suggested that.

masculinist

ComfortKid wrote: »

What are you on about at all? He said WE are getting carried away with conspiracy theories. No one on this thread has talked about conspiracy theories. A conspiracy would be that the farmer was in on it himself. No one on this thread suggested that.

Conspiracy is a perfectly valid word. I merely mentioned its definition.

con·spir·a·cy

(kən-spîr′ə-sē)n. pl. con·spir·a·cies 1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.


So of course the criminals did conspire to take the cattle.
I did not see any ridiculous conspiracy theories e.g aliens abducted the cattle.

ComfortKid

masculinist wrote:

So of course the criminals did conspire to take the cattle. I did not see any ridiculous conspiracy theories e.g aliens abducted the cattle.

Exactly what im trying to say to the previous poster! There is no conspiracy theories being discussed on this thread. Obviously someone or some gang conspired to rob the animals, thats not exactly a conspiracy theory is it.

masculinist

ComfortKid wrote: »

Exactly what im trying to say to the previous poster! There is no conspiracy theories being discussed on this thread. Obviously someone or some gang conspired to rob the animals, thats not exactly a conspiracy theory is it.

no its not lol. The word ''conspiracy'' has gotten a bad rap sometimes.

Judges in court will often say something like ''You have conspired to do x and y''

Its a valid word to use.

Anything else we post is pure speculation. For example I speculate if this type of robbery is happening all the time then it could be the same gang who does most of them with similar modus operandi and there must exist a support network for the proceeds of these audacious crimes. This support network will consist of vehicles and distribution. Fencing. Finance. The whole shebang.

ComfortKid

masculinist wrote:

Judges in court will often say something like ''You have conspired to do x and y''

I know the meaning of the word conspiracy. But I think conspiracy theory is something different, maybe not in the dictionary. He said we are getting carried away with the conspiracy theories. Hopefully he'll come back and clear it up before I ruin this thread. :-)

rangler1

ComfortKid wrote: »

I know the meaning of the word conspiracy. But I think conspiracy theory is something different, maybe not in the dictionary. He said we are getting carried away with the conspiracy theories. Hopefully he'll come back and clear it up before I ruin this thread. :-)

Plenty of theories going around any way, heard them all at Athlone show today.
The farm was sold for a huge price during the celtic tiger and nothing done with it since, the beautiful house is practically falling down and the whole place going into disrepair, now this young couple have it rented.
Was supposed to be a property developer that bought it 10yrs ago for €5m, ( 120ac) but I don't know who or what owns it now.
I'd know the place well as its where my mother was born and grew up

Cattlepen

ComfortKid wrote: »

What's the conspiracy?

And the cattle are gone so obviously someone pulled it off!

The conspiracy theory of an illegal or black market meat trade. I'v never been offered lamb chops in a pub toilet or striploins at a car boot sale. Armed rustlers etc sounds like nonsense to me. The cattle wll turn up.

Odelay

Cattlepen wrote: »

The conspiracy theory of an illegal or black market meat trade. I'v never been offered lamb chops in a pub toilet or striploins at a car boot sale. Armed rustlers etc sounds like nonsense to me. The cattle wll turn up.

Would think they would be more likely to try lower end kebab chippers and restaurants.

Bullocks

Cattlepen wrote: »

The conspiracy theory of an illegal or black market meat trade. I'v never been offered lamb chops in a pub toilet or striploins at a car boot sale. Armed rustlers etc sounds like nonsense to me. The cattle wll turn up.

It was on primetime last year about illegal abbatoirs and blackmarket selling . Didn't they find an illegal abbatoir last year around the border somewhere aswell ?

ComfortKid

Cattlepen wrote:

The conspiracy theory of an illegal or black market meat trade. I'v never been offered lamb chops in a pub toilet or striploins at a car boot sale. Armed rustlers etc sounds like nonsense to me. The cattle wll turn up.

Maybe you haven't, but it definitely happens. Theres a black market for everything! A restaurant was closed down in my town 2 years ago for buying meat off some cowboy that was illegally slaughtering and selling animals from his own shed. Obviously not on the same scale as this, but it proves it does happen.

ComfortKid

Not some kebab shop either, a fairly expensive well thought of restaurant.

masculinist

Cattlepen wrote: »

The conspiracy theory of an illegal or black market meat trade. I'v never been offered lamb chops in a pub toilet or striploins at a car boot sale. Armed rustlers etc sounds like nonsense to me. The cattle wll turn up.

Well quite recently the mafia of some sort were introducing unlabelled horseflesh into so called beef products weren't they ? Everything from Tesco lasagne to Ikea meatballs was affected. Where theres a will [money creates the will] theres a way. I would imagine that well before this heist was pulled off that the distribution network was already in place and this was done to order. We can speculate until the cows come home [was that a pun ? lol] about who was behind it but whoever did this didnt just do it alone.

mf240

Cattlepen wrote: »

The conspiracy theory of an illegal or black market meat trade. I'v never been offered lamb chops in a pub toilet or striploins at a car boot sale. Armed rustlers etc sounds like nonsense to me. The cattle wll turn up.

Your probably right. Maybe they ran away themselves. :rolleyes:

foxy farmer

masculinist wrote: »

Well quite recently the mafia of some sort were introducing unlabelled horseflesh into so called beef products weren't they ? Everything from Tesco lasagne to Ikea meatballs was affected. Where theres a will [money creates the will] theres a way. I would imagine that well before this heist was pulled off that the distribution network was already in place and this was done to order. We can speculate until the cows come home [was that a pun ? lol] about who was behind it but whoever did this didnt just do it alone.

And all handled by legitimate companies handling large quantities of meat inputs. Accident my arse.

Cattlepen

masculinist wrote: »

Well quite recently the mafia of some sort were introducing unlabelled horseflesh into so called beef products weren't they ? Everything from Tesco lasagne to Ikea meatballs was affected. Where theres a will [money creates the will] theres a way. I would imagine that well before this heist was pulled off that the distribution network was already in place and this was done to order. We can speculate until the cows come home [was that a pun ? lol] about who was behind it but whoever did this didnt just do it alone.

Well done. Lol

Cattlepen

mf240 wrote: »

Your probably right. Maybe they ran away themselves. :rolleyes:

Not looking for debate. Just give it time, they will turn up

Mad4simmental

Cattlepen wrote: »

Not looking for debate. Just give it time, they will turn up

I agree. Sumone ows sumone money or sumthing. More going on here it's just to many cattle and everything from suck calvs to old cull cows. Is just dosnt add-up.

masculinist

Cattlepen wrote: »

Well done. Lol

no medium rare lol

_Tombstone_

Traceability me arse.

Cattlepen

masculinist wrote: »

no medium rare lol

King of comedy

ComfortKid

masculinist wrote:

no medium rare lol

Excellent punage.

masculinist

ComfortKid wrote: »

Excellent punage.

You're udderly milking this idea now

Seriously, it's time for you to Mooove on

selectamatic

Surely the introduction of microchips into tags wouldn't be beyond the realms of possiblilty there's ample room on the tag itself and exactly zero extra labour for the farmer. It's not hard see the flaws in the Irish agricultural system, however it shouldn't be too hard fix many of them either! Unfortunately the stone age techniques and lottery results that accompany TB testing shows that progress and indeed improvement is painfully slow

Arrow in the Knee

selectamatic wrote: »

Surely the introduction of microchips into tags wouldn't be beyond the realms of possiblilty there's ample room on the tag itself and exactly zero extra labour for the farmer. It's not hard see the flaws in the Irish agricultural system, however it shouldn't be too hard fix many of them either! Unfortunately the stone age techniques and lottery results that accompany TB testing shows that progress and indeed improvement is painfully slow

What good would microchips in tags be when the tag can be cut?

mf240

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

What good would microchips in tags be when the tag can be cut?

Would have to be cut on sight. Might be some help.

selectamatic

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

What good would microchips in tags be when the tag can be cut?

Cutting the tags off 100 frenzied cattle in the middle of the night on a strange farm sounds like something that could be done fairly easily alright 😒

Arrow in the Knee

selectamatic wrote: »

Cutting the tags off 100 frenzied cattle in the middle of the night on a strange farm sounds like something that could be done fairly easily alright 😒

Yeep

Farmer Pudsey

I think a lot of lads here are mixing micro chips up with GPS tracking technology. Micro chipping is a way of branding (mainly used in horse and dog racing industry) to prevent one animal being pawned off as another in a race, during a sale or at breeding.

GPS tracking technology is a totally different kettle of this is a transmitter that is used to to send a signal that identifies a location. It is usually used in the transport industry. I have not seen any that are small enough to put inside an animal and if there is battery life is the issue as it is always sending out a signal I imagine a without recharging signal life of months is about as good as it gets.

Micro chipping is static technology in that it need to be read with a scanner like a bar code is read. Because of this it is only a preventive tool if cattle implanted with them end up back through a mart or legimitate meat processor.

Base price

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I think a lot of lads here are mixing micro chips up with GPS tracking technology. Micro chipping is a way of branding (mainly used in horse and dog racing industry) to prevent one animal being pawned off as another in a race, during a sale or at breeding.

GPS tracking technology is a totally different kettle of this is a transmitter that is used to to send a signal that identifies a location. It is usually used in the transport industry. I have not seen any that are small enough to put inside an animal and if there is battery life is the issue as it is always sending out a signal I imagine a without recharging signal life of months is about as good as it gets.

Micro chipping is static technology in that it need to be read with a scanner like a bar code is read. Because of this it is only a preventive tool if cattle implanted with them end up back through a mart or legimitate meat processor.

+1
Here is a pic of a GPS tracker attached to a young Golden Eagle. They are not that small and apparently very expensive per unit.

tayto lover

Can't they insert micro-chips under the skin like they do with dogs?
Surely this would make more sense.

Farmer Pudsey

selectamatic wrote: »

Cutting the tags off 100 frenzied cattle in the middle of the night on a strange farm sounds like something that could be done fairly easily alright 😒

To 3-4 people used to handling cattle with fairly good facullities and with the right type of metel shears/cutters it would be only a few hours work to take off old tags and put on new tags.

Base price

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

To 3-4 people used to handling cattle with fairly good facullities and with the right type of metel shears/cutters it would be only a few hours work to take off old tags and put on new tags.

:eek: I thought that the plastic tags were supposed to be tamper proof.

mf240

Hopefully these lads will pick the wrong farmer to mess with some night ,and the search will be on for them instead of the cattle.

Farmer Pudsey

tayto lover wrote: »

Can't they insert chis under the skin like they do with dogs?
Surely this would make more sense.

That is a micro chip not a tracking device. The smallest commercial tracking devices are 2-3'' square and nearly 1'' thick. Generally if you want a fairly good one you need an ariel on it and as well you have to pay for a licience to monitor it.

Farmer Pudsey

Base price wrote: »

:eek: I thought that the plastic tags were supposed to be tamper proof.

They are but tamper proof means that if you remove them you cannot put them back on. In the case of theft it not like a rustler will be reusing these tags. any fairly good quality shears will cut through them I imagine. I have seen metal shears cut thought half inch copper cable in one go . I imagine that a tag with a hollow sleeve would be no different.

Tamper proof and removal are tow different things.

foxy farmer

mf240 wrote: »

Hopefully these lads will pick the wrong farmer to mess with some night ,and the search will be on for them instead of the cattle.

I've 30 animals here that they could take. Or at least try. Would want a few ambulances on standby and maybe an undertaker!! Had a close one with one heifer when testing last week. Should be in a bull ring in Spain.

Arrow in the Knee

They were on RTE One news today about the 75 cattle and 25 sheep stolen.

foxy farmer

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

They are but tamper proof means that if you remove them you cannot put them back on. In the case of theft it not like a rustler will be reusing these tags. any fairly good quality shears will cut through them I imagine. I have seen metal shears cut thought half inch copper cable in one go . I imagine that a tag with a hollow sleeve would be no different.

Tamper proof and removal are tow different things.

Plenty demand for the old brass tags back in the day.
Had a load of bullocks held up in factory after a vet decided their tags had been tampered with. Luckily haulier saw senior partner in my vets practice working in the factory and told him the story.Dept Vet had to back down when he was told that my vets practice had tagged the cattle and they could stand over them..