Herd of cattle stolen- IFA €10,000 REWARD

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Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

They are but tamper proof means that if you remove them you cannot put them back on. In the case of theft it not like a rustler will be reusing these tags. any fairly good quality shears will cut through them I imagine. I have seen metal shears cut thought half inch copper cable in one go . I imagine that a tag with a hollow sleeve would be no different.

Tamper proof and removal are tow different things.

Bought FR bull calves ex farm from a guy we deal with. When we were penning them I was double checking them off against the cards before the movements were applied for. Noticed one with with two different tag numbers, one ear had eg, 3091 and the other 3093. We checked the rest of his calves and he had miss-tagged a heifer and a bull. He sorted it out in a few minutes after checking his records and simply snipped the offending tag (with a metal cutter thingie) off each calf.

trixi2011

Had to retag a hole herd in nz a few years ago cuting out old tags and replacing with new eletronic ones you wouldnt be long getting through a 100 catle with the right set up. Normal snips that you use for sniping cable ties or light electrical wire will cut threw plastic tags likr butter

paddysdream

Simplest thing in the world to remove a tag.Never done it with cattle obv. but lots of times years ago with sheep when you used to have to remove the old tag and use your own one when tagging bought in sheep(pre EID days).Also sometimes management tags were inclined to cause sore ears so out they came as well.Plus say if upgrading homebred lambs to EID you would have to remove tag and replace with electronic ones.

Biggest job was making sure you looked before removing the tag as sometimes you could end removing one of your own from a ewe that you had just tagged moments previously.

Close a sheep tag ie lock the taggers but tag pulls out of the ear and its quiet simple to reopen and reuse.No real need to explain this I should think .Also you will hear talk of "unusual" pliers for removing and reusing cattle tags but never seen one and unaware if they actually exist or just pub talk.

greysides

Quickly edited there Paddy.

Genuine or otherwise that would be considered as 'tampering' if noticed and I imagine the fall-out wouldn't be worth the pennies saved.

tom_k

Maybe I've missed it but have any stills from the CCTV of the cattle lorry and trailer been posted online or elsewhere?

There's a finite amount of these vehicles in the country and most of the lads I know around here with large capacity lorries or trailers I'd recognise at a glance on the road or at the mart etc.

Even if the CCTV is of poor quality there might be some observable feature or marking that someone could identify...

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tom_k wrote: »

Maybe I've missed it but have any stills from the CCTV of the cattle lorry and trailer been posted online or elsewhere?

There's a finite amount of these vehicles in the country and most of the lads I know around here with large capacity lorries or trailers I'd recognise at a glance on the road or at the mart etc.

Even if the CCTV is of poor quality there might be some observable feature or marking that someone could identify...

Not trying to play devils advocate but there is no shortage of UK or other EU registered large capacity lorries to be seen on Irish roads.

Arrow in the Knee

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Not trying to play devils advocate but there is no shortage of UK or other EU registered large capacity lorries to be seen on Irish roads.

Ah sure if wee Timmy went missing and suspected it was a cattle lorry involved (allegedly) they'd get it.

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Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

Ah sure if wee Timmy went missing and suspected it was a cattle lorry involved (allegedly) they'd get it.

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Arrow in the Knee

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I'm just highlighting the fact that no cctv stills have appeared in the media or online of the lorry going through Tyrrelspass.

As other posters have said there wouldn't be many about and I'm aware of the free movement between us and Europe.

ardle1

I swear I would hunt them down until the cows came home.....(No pun intended)...

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

This farm is only up the road from our farm. Absolutely freaked out completely. Am disgusted that despite a family being 100k (ish) down, their livelihood destroyed, that it hasn't really been reported on.

have2flushtwice

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surely the CCTV should be released.
there are more CCTV cameras than in one village. toll bridges etc.
some farmer has new stock in his field and a neighbor may notice.

Heres my opinion.

the farmers insurance will pay out - but not before they do their own investigations.

That truck would have done some skirting around to avoid cameras - but it still went through the village - the plates would have been duds.

The Gardai need to deal with the tax office and see who has a lorry like this.

The animals could have been brought anywhere that night. they may be kept low profile for now.
IF the guards have the tax office bit completed, they may be watching and waiting for someone to make a move so they can prove who has them.

Otherwise the goods could end up to hot to handle and be found roaming or worse, and we a Shergar situation all over again.

whelan2

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Not trying to play devils advocate but there is no shortage of UK or other EU registered large capacity lorries to be seen on Irish roads.

yes true, but i am under the assumption that these cattle could not have left the island of ireland as there would be cctv at ports ? I also assume reg plates where changed on vehicles involved

Nettleman

have2flushtwice wrote: »

surely the CCTV should be released.
there are more CCTV cameras than in one village. toll bridges etc.
some farmer has new stock in his field and a neighbor may notice.

Heres my opinion.

the farmers insurance will pay out - but not before they do their own investigations.

That truck would have done some skirting around to avoid cameras - but it still went through the village - the plates would have been duds.

The Gardai need to deal with the tax office and see who has a lorry like this.

The animals could have been brought anywhere that night. they may be kept low profile for now.
IF the guards have the tax office bit completed, they may be watching and waiting for someone to make a move so they can prove who has them.

Otherwise the goods could end up to hot to handle and be found roaming or worse, and we a Shergar situation all over again.

DAFM are very quiet on this one They are the regulator for activities at farm level-and this amount of cattle could amount to 30 tonnes of dead weight beef findings it way onto dinner-plates at some stage.

foxy farmer

When farmers started tagging cattle we had to record the colour of the calf on the white reg form. That has been stopped with a while. Such a thing would narrow down the animals available if retagging bogus animals. As it stands now any animal of a roughly similar age or size and correct sex can be retagged once you've got a card to suit.

ganmo

Nettleman wrote: »

DAFM are very quiet on this one They are the regulator for activities at farm level-and this amount of cattle could amount to 30 tonnes of dead weight beef findings it way onto dinner-plates at some stage.

I wonder where that woman that was on prime time is?

Is branding cattle allowed in the eu? Might be an option, or freeze branding

Jayop

Was reading through this thread last night and then spotted this today.

https://www.facebook.com/IrishFarmersJournal/posts/10153985418683835?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D

Basically a farmer from Donegal contacted the Irish Farmers Journal to pledge to donate 1 calf if 74 other did the same to get this family back up and running. The response has been overwhelming with people pledging livestock and money as well as transportation to get this sorted.

Fantastic show of solidarity.

ComfortKid

Jayop wrote:

Basically a farmer from Donegal contacted the Irish Farmers Journal to pledge to donate 1 calf if 74 other did the same to get this family back up and running. The response has been overwhelming with people pledging livestock and money as well as transportation to get this sorted.

Lovley touch. It would be great for the farmer but if he gets 75 free calfs and then the insurance pay him for the 75 missing cattle?

ganmo

ComfortKid wrote: »

Lovley touch. It would be great for the farmer but if he gets 75 free calfs and then the insurance pay him for the 75 missing cattle?

75 calves will be 2 years before they're productive so still not a great position.
insurance would probably value stolen animal minus value of donated animals and pay the difference

Jayop

ComfortKid wrote: »

Lovley touch. It would be great for the farmer but if he gets 75 free calfs and then the insurance pay him for the 75 missing cattle?

Dunno really, but could he possibly claim for the difference rather than the whole lot and he'd save himself in the long run?

Fish out of water

Any Update

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Fish out of water wrote: »

Any Update

Only what I heard on Morning Ireland that it is a suspected cross border gang who pay protection money to paramilitaries.
http://irishindependent.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

kevohmsford

I have been following this through the group on Facebook. Shocking thing to happen these people. It is a pity they cannot release the cctv footage.

stretch film

foxy farmer wrote: »

When farmers started tagging cattle we had to record the colour of the calf on the white reg form. That has been stopped with a while. Such a thing would narrow down the animals available if retagging bogus animals. As it stands now any animal of a roughly similar age or size and correct sex can be retagged once you've got a card to suit.

Alot have the ability to take a picture of calf also on phone etc. Most breeds and cross breds would have fairly individual markings .

This could be attached to an e registration and kept on file. Cheap system compared to micro chipping for example .

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Foreign butchers/restaurant owners? Indian/Chinese/Thai and many more restaurants and take aways always need a good supply of meat.

jimmycrackcorm

Pretty fast wrote:

Foreign butchers/restaurant owners? Indian/Chinese/Thai and many more restaurants and take aways always need a good supply of meat.

Because it can't possibly be irish people.

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jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Because it can't possibly be irish people.

That's a possibility also.

frazzledhome

As a matter of interest

How many have their stock adequtely covered for theft?

Bullocks

frazzledhome wrote: »

As a matter of interest

How many have their stock adequtely covered for theft?

Something I'd have to look at , and never thought much about either . You wouldn't feel 100k building up in stock until you have to replace them

Farmer Pudsey

frazzledhome wrote: »

As a matter of interest

How many have their stock adequtely covered for theft?

What is adequate cover. hard enough to do in daystock game. A 450kg Friesian bullock that was worth 650 last year might be worth 900 this year. If you had 60 that is a difference of 15K. Also say you are finishing cattle over the summer 60 cattle that might be 55K in February when finished might be coming into 80K. A broker told me one time you should insure the average

Reggie.

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

What is adequate cover. hard enough to do in daystock game. A 450kg Friesian bullock that was worth 650 last year might be worth 900 this year. If you had 60 that is a difference of 15K. Also say you are finishing cattle over the summer 60 cattle that might be 55K in February when finished might be coming into 80K. A broker told me one time you should insure the average

I'd insure the heavy end when thru are worth the most as that's when they would be stolen off me knowing my luck

micraX

Don't mean to sound like a c@#t here or anything, it was a terrible thing to happen a farmer. But how come when McNamaras truck and 50,000 lettuce plants were stolen there was no reward?

Farmer Pudsey

Reggie. wrote: »

I'd insure the heavy end when thru are worth the most as that's when they would be stolen off me knowing my luck

The heavy end this year and last year will be two totally different sums.

ganmo

micraX wrote: »

Don't mean to sound like a c@#t here or anything, it was a terrible thing to happen a farmer. But how come when McNamaras truck and 50,000 lettuce plants were stolen there was no reward?

did they contact the media?
journalists don't go looking for causes to write about because theres so many being pushed infront of them already

Reggie.

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

The heavy end this year and last year will be two totally different sums.

This is true

micraX

ganmo wrote: »

did they contact the media?
journalists don't go looking for causes to write about because theres so many being pushed infront of them already

Yes it was all over the news. Just google "lettuce plants stolen in rush" and you'll see all the articles. Phone wontlet me post llink's

mocha please!

Some bit of positivity:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/im-beyond-words-irish-farmers-donate-livestock-trailers-to-help-victim-of-100k-cattle-raid-31343973.html

road_high

Does anyone else think there's more to this story than meets than the eye? I just think there is. That many animals taken? Imagine the noise they'd make. I dunno..

tayto lover

mocha please! wrote: »

Some bit of positivity:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/im-beyond-words-irish-farmers-donate-livestock-trailers-to-help-victim-of-100k-cattle-raid-31343973.html

Brilliant. Well done to the farmers involved in this.
BUT i still want these thieves found and in court.

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road_high wrote: »

Does anyone else think there's more to this story than meets than the eye? I just think there is. That many animals taken? Imagine the noise they'd make. I dunno..

If they were split up quickly enough they would vanish.

BENDYBINN

why had he them all in the yard?Should they not have been out in the fields grazing considering it was the end of june?

Farmer Pudsey

BENDYBINN wrote: »

why had he them all in the yard?Should they not have been out in the fields grazing considering it was the end of june?

They were out in an out farm the rustlers rounded them up. Lods of lads think it would be a lot of work gathering and loading such an amount of cattle.

First off there was from the pictures a lot of bucket fed cattle in them. When you would not be splitting them up they would be easy enough to gather and load up.

dohc turbo2

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

They were out in an out farm the rustlers rounded them up. Lods of lads think it would be a lot of work gathering and loading such an amount of cattle.

First off there was from the pictures a lot of bucket fed cattle in them. When you would not be splitting them up they would be easy enough to gather and load up.

Good cattle dogs I'd be thinking

CallofGuti

road_high wrote: »

Does anyone else think there's more to this story than meets than the eye? I just think there is. That many animals taken? Imagine the noise they'd make. I dunno..

It does seem odd that so many were taken at one time. Hard to move them on, I'd say.

Milked out

BENDYBINN wrote: »

why had he them all in the yard?Should they not have been out in the fields grazing considering it was the end of june?

If cattle are used to goin up the ramp to grass tgey would be no bother to load. Our heifers are moved to out farms and brought home again as calves and maidens they run up the ramp no bother

tomieen jones

Any update on this?

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tomieen jones wrote: »

Any update on this?

I have been keeping an eye on their FB page but nothing new.
Strange that 100 livestock can apparently disappear overnight on this little island. Considering that a "cross border/paramilitary" group are alleged to be involved it is no surprise.

whelan2

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I have been keeping an eye on their FB page but nothing new.
Strange that 100 livestock can apparently disappear overnight on this little island. Considering that a "cross border/paramilitary" group are alleged to be involved it is no surprise.

THE longer it goes on the stranger it is

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whelan2 wrote: »

THE longer it goes on the stranger it is

+1
If they could make Shergar disappear without a trace, then it its no wonder.
Saw on the FB page comments of insinuations that some of the stock could be repossessed stock

Reggie.

Base price wrote: »

+1
If they could make Shergar disappear without a trace, then it its no wonder.
Saw on the FB page comments of insinuations that some of the stock could be repossessed stock

Only a matter of time till that happened