Herd of cattle stolen- IFA €10,000 REWARD

Qualitymark

Would random DNA testing work, with DNA registered on each animal's card, or would it be too expensive using current technology?

20silkcut

tomieen jones wrote: »

How would that work? All angus look the same

True and black whiteheads are hard to tell apart. But at least it would make it that bit more difficult for the conmen.
At the moment all they need is just a card.

Mad4simmental

What about a tattoo on animals ears of their id like sum of the pb do.

whelan2

or a freeze brand at least its permanent

patsy_mccabe

All that needs to be done is to take a hair sample from each
calf when you tag it. No need to DNA test it until you have to, i.e. cattle stolen.

whelan2

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

All that needs to be done is to take a hair sample from each
calf when you tag it. No need to DNA test it until you have to, i.e. cattle stolen.

but could the bvd sample not be used for this?

farawaygrass

20silkcut wrote: »

A lot of people don't take the cards seriously especially with regard to DOB etc. They are just a piece of card and could very easily be forged or tampered with, by even the most basic PC printer system.
The card should have a photo of the animal.

They'd never fit on the passport photo booth

tomieen jones

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

All that needs to be done is to take a hair sample from each
calf when you tag it. No need to DNA test it until you have to, i.e. cattle stolen.

Maybe the genomics scheme might be of some use after all

greysides

Mad4simmental wrote: »

What about a tattoo on animals ears of their id like sum of the pb do.

Done in the early stages of the TB scheme. Not at all easy to read after a while and most likely easily tampered with.

whelan2 wrote: »

but could the bvd sample not be used for this?

Most likely but the scheme was intended to be temporary.

farawaygrass wrote: »

They'd never fit on the passport photo booth

The Dept are trying to do away with passports. They only still exist due to the IFA (AFAIK).

Milked out

whelan2 wrote: »

but could the bvd sample not be used for this?

Tried to dna test a number of calves in last few years with bvd tag and not one of them worked, was still able to get bvd results tho?

Qualitymark

greysides wrote: »

The Dept are trying to do away with passports. They only still exist due to the IFA (AFAIK).

Good God, why? Why would you get rid of a system that is designed to make Irish meat traceable and trustworthy?

Bullocks

Qualitymark wrote: »

Good God, why? Why would you get rid of a system that is designed to make Irish meat traceable and trustworthy?

I don't think they're getting rid of the system , just the cards . It will be online still

Base price

Bullocks wrote: »

I don't think they're getting rid of the system , just the cards . It will be online still

Call me old school but I would prefer if they did not get rid of them. There is something secure about holding a card in your hand while checking an ear tag be it buying or selling directly off farm. A printed list is never going to be a replacement.
If the IFA have supported keeping them well fair play - I never realised that there was talk about doing away with them. Was it publicised.

Bullocks

Base price wrote: »

Call me old school but I would prefer if they did not get rid of them. There is something secure about holding a card in your hand while checking an ear tag be it buying or selling directly off farm. A printed list is never going to be a replacement.
If the IFA have supported keeping them well fair play - I never realised that there was talk about doing away with them. Was it publicised.

I don't know was it publicised, the vet told us last year that all the cards wouldn't be signed anymore because it was all be online and even the cards wouldn't be needed soon but thats as much as I heard since .

MF290

Would microchipping animals work I wonder?

patsy_mccabe

Bullocks wrote: »

I don't know was it publicised, the vet told us last year that all the cards wouldn't be signed anymore because it was all be online and even the cards wouldn't be needed soon but thats as much as I heard since .

So is it ok NOT to sign the cards now?

greysides

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

So is it ok NOT to sign the cards now?

Vets don't need to sign the cards. Instead of certifying the test on the cards it is certified electronically when it is sent in to the Dept. The cards are still stamped with the reading date of the test for informations sake.

lanos

i have heard that stolen cattle in Ireland and Britain end up in dodgy Halal abbetoirs where no documentation is required and no questions are asked.

sasta le

Similar but an isolated field near my fathers there was people keeping sheep he saw one time just loading a few into transit no tags

td5man

Bullocks wrote: »

I don't know was it publicised, the vet told us last year that all the cards wouldn't be signed anymore because it was all be online and even the cards wouldn't be needed soon but thats as much as I heard since .

Got the same story from a dept inspector a few years ago he said that they served no purpose anymore while he was checking to see that they were all signed and correct.

longgonesilver

It is on the notification letter you get from the dept. Vet stamps date only now, no herd number or scrawl, can be put in any box so cards will probably now last for life not just tests. Intermediate tests in locked up herds are not to be stamped.

They gave me two months notice of requirement to test, and they tell you not to treat an animal for anything from the date of the letter until after the reading, except in emergency and then only with the vets permission, Two months is a long time to go without routine dosing especially if it was nearly due when you got the letter.

blue5000

Ya was in same situation for last 12 months, levacide is only 21 day withdrawal period, most of the fluke ones are 7 weeks. Most of the withdrawals are on line just google them.
Chances are if you have a reactor it's going to be 2 weeks after the test before they are gone.

Base price

Another man arrested: http://www.farmersjournal.ie/man-arrested-in-relation-to-cattle-rustling-in-kilbeggan-co-westmeath-192402

Reggie.

Base price wrote: »

Another man arrested: http://www.farmersjournal.ie/man-arrested-in-relation-to-cattle-rustling-in-kilbeggan-co-westmeath-192402

Being held in athlone it seems

roosterman71

Released without charge

djmc

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/man-charged-with-theft-of-e100000-worth-of-cattle-from-westmeath-farm/

Good to see this story coming to a conclusion.

Kamili

Only charged, no convictions yet. 21st September for the hearing, and he's been released on bail..

John_Rambo

Betya he knew the farmer. Local knowledge.

tayto lover

Kamili wrote: »

Only charged, no convictions yet. 21st September for the hearing, and he's been released on bail..

The poster only said that it's coming to a conclusion.
You have to have a trial before you get a conviction.
It's not the Wild West.

Kamili

tayto lover wrote: »

The poster only said that it's coming to a conclusion.
You have to have a trial before you get a conviction.
It's not the Wild West.

Chill dude! I'm not saying it is, just that its not concluded yet and the trial is in September.

Never wrestle with pigs

tayto lover wrote: »

The poster only said that it's coming to a conclusion.
You have to have a trial before you get a conviction.
It's not the Wild West.

Your dead right, the tunt should be hung in public to put the rest of the fcukers off doing it.

Kovu

Woah there now, douse the torches and put down the pitchforks for a second. This lad is only charged, not convicted. Innocent until proven guilty and all that....

Boards.ie has a policy to not discuss ongoing/upcoming trials so could we try to keep discussion on the person in question to a minimum, that'd be great.

Base price

Kovu wrote: »

Woah there now, douse the torches and put down the pitchforks for a second. This lad is only charged, not convicted. Innocent until proven guilty and all that....

Boards.ie has a policy to not discuss ongoing/upcoming trials so could we try to keep discussion on the person in question to a minimum, that'd be great.

Agree 100%
Maybe it's time to close this one!
Edit to say that I don't know any of the circumstances of the theft other than what was written online.

_Brian

Happy for the family that this has moved on in the background, also nice to see someone being brought up on these charges, all to often the cattle disappear and no one is ever found..

Base price

_Brian wrote: »

Happy for the family that this has moved on in the background, also nice to see someone being brought up on these charges, all to often the cattle disappear and no one is ever found..

Two bulls were stolen from an outfarm in Nov 2012. We reported it to the Garda and Dept at the time. Never heard anything about them after.

Kamili

I think the reason this one was followed up was because of the horse meat scandal along with the massive campaign run by the farm owner on social media.

uck51js9zml2yt

Been following this from the comfort of the city . Glad to see it nearing closure.
But one question.
What's the difference between cows and cattle?
I'm sure there is one ( insert confused emoji here)

stealing nine cows, nine calves and 53 cattle

Kovu

Kelsey Damp Hand wrote: »

Been following this from the comfort of the city . Glad to see it nearing closure.
But one question.
What's the difference between cows and cattle?
I'm sure there is one ( insert confused emoji here)

Cows is the collective term used for breeding females, cattle would be a group of miscellaneous stock e.g. bullocks, heifers, bulls.

tayto lover

Whats the definition for a bullock and a heifer?

greysides

A bullock is a castrated male, preventing breeding and aggressive male characteristics.

A heifer is a female that hasn't calved. They can be maiden (unbred) or in-calf (pregnant). Once they calve they are cows.
Sometimes a calved heifer is referred to as a cow-heifer until she calves a second time when she becomes simply a 'cow'.

Kovu

tayto lover wrote: »

Whats the definition for a bullock and a heifer?

Bullock has been castrated. If it's done wrong (one ball left intact) you can term him a rig or stag. Probably a few other regional terms for it too. A heifer is technically a maiden female which has had no calf. If she's had a calf, she can be termed a cow-heifer.

Kovu

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