UFC 189 -Chad Mendes v Conor McGregor

JoeyJJ

Yeah Conor to pick him off keeping him at range, and reassess as Chad gets desperate and changes his game plan. If Chad has to rush him he might regret it and eat a hook.

The first sprawl will be interesting assuming it happens of course.

Ken Shamrock

John_D80 wrote: »

Actually wasn't referring to you at all mate. Sorry.

Was referring more to the people spouting sh1te.

Is this referring to me out of interest?

foleypio

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Is this referring to me out of interest?

he should be referring to himself to be honest, going in checking what forum's people are posting on to try and strengthen his argument, then making out he wasn't talking about them at all. the lad doesnt know what he's on about

slicus ricus

I think this fight is all about McGregor's control of range. If he can land clean shots without allowing Mendes to get into take down range, he is onto a winner.

If Mendes does get into range for take downs, which you would have to think he will unless Conor ends this quickly, McGregor will need to be quick and effective with his sprawl. I would imagine he will try to land punches from the sprawl as part of his take down defence.

Ireland888

Here's my take:

Initially thought it was terrible news to face chad on short notice but now that I know he brought his wrestling coach and has been advancing his grappling game instead of focusing on MT style it's not a big deal. Plus I think he's been thinking if Jose did fight that he'd go for a takedown so he's been practicing takedown defense, and preparing his bjj for what was a black belt and is now a white belt who hasn't had a submission since 2010.

Striking: Conor (boxing pedigree with creative tkd style vs a novice striker with an uppercut and overhand)

Kicks: Conor (loves progressing in this category and one can see evolution plus his long legs is big adv here vs fighter who rearly kicks and is not very skilled at it)

On the mat: Conor (advanced brown vs advanced white)

Wrestling: Chad (however the reach of Conor and his takedown defence can substantially negate this if he executes well and even if on top I think Conor's guard will surprise many and Chad won't do enough damage to end a fight in just 1 or 2 top control sequences)

Physically: conor( in better shape, height adv, reach adv and I would argue a more coordinated and athletic individual)

Main concern: chad fakes the takedown and goes for the uppercut like he's always done and essentially perfected (against Aldo and lamas) and Conor gets caught being concerned about the takedown and having his arms at his side. IF that happens I could see Chad with a KO.

Mellor

Ireland888 wrote: »

Plus I think he's been thinking if Jose did fight that he'd go for a takedown so he's been practicing takedown defense, and preparing his bjj for what was a black belt and is now a white belt who hasn't had a submission since 2010.

Calling Chad a "white belt" is retarded.
His rank, or lack thereof, in BJJ means nothing in terms of his grappling ability

EuskalHerria

Davei141 wrote: »

Must have been watching a completely different conference call to me? "Visibly rattled" Mendes gave as good as he got and it was Conor with a big face on him after it ended.

We must have been. Chad starts and ends with a smile, but in between he's all over the place. I accept these things are heavily edited, but it seems to be narrative they're trying to spin.

1. He's laughing when Conor is talking about someone else (Aldo)

2. Then attention turns to him, the fist goes up to his mouth. Conor starts on about Chad's numbers and then he looks agitated

3. Chad responds to Conor talking about "Balls on his head" and being disrespectful. He seems rattled just in talking about this. (in my opinion. Should I have to say this?)

4. It ends with Chad being asked what Conor was saying. With a forced smile he responds. "I don't know, I wasn't even listening". What a stupid response. He's just been replying to Conor. This for me shows he was flustered afterwards. It's either a stupid or flustered response, perhaps I'm being kind to Chad in suggesting the latter.

Ken Shamrock

So Chad Mendes is now a novice striker, has no skill at kicking is a white belt on the mat and can't do enough damage to end a fight. Amazing to think he's 17-2 with his only loses ever coming to the world no.1 featherweight. He must be cheating.

EuskalHerria

Here's a link to a post that will supposedely get you Setanta (And BT Sports) for a fiver. The fight in HD for €5, not a bad deal. (SKY Only).

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96105841&postcount=1428

darced

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Ireland888

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

So Chad Mendes is now a novice striker, has no skill at kicking is a white belt on the mat and can't do enough damage to end a fight. Amazing to think he's 17-2 with his only loses ever coming to the world no.1 featherweight. He must be cheating.

I love how you think you own this thread. What did I say that was wrong?
If you ever watched his fight you'd know he's a novice striker, and doesn't kick I'm sorry these are facts that anyone who knows anything about the Ufc knows.

17-2 in MMA doesn't mean much- you actually have to watch the fights not just look at records. Hence the reason why artem Lobov has been told to fight people in Europe, get to 500, and then he could join. Records are for amateurs like yourself who can't actually analyze skills AKA the bandwagon fans.

welchywelch

Post #708 I would probably pull all 4 of those facial expressions talking to my mother about the weather. This guy is an experienced, professional fighter, FFS he fought Aldo twice, I doubt very much he is scared or rattled by anyone.

Ken Shamrock

Ireland888 wrote: »

I love how you think you own this thread. What did I say that was wrong?
If you ever watched his fight you'd know he's a novice striker, and doesn't kick I'm sorry these are facts that anyone who knows anything about the Ufc knows.

17-2 in MMA doesn't mean much- you actually have to watch the fights not just look at records. Hence the reason why artem Lobov has been told to fight people in Europe, get to 500, and then he could join. Records are for amateurs like yourself who can't actually analyze skills AKA the bandwagon fans.

Yes, this is my thread. You're welcome.

On what planet is Mendes a novice striker? To get back to stats, 50% of his wins have been by KO/TKO. So how It's a fact that he's a novice striker is truly beyond me. 17-2 in MMA doesn't mean much? news to me, go tell Conor that.

I'm an amateur so you're referring to yourself as what? a pro? not a tad pretentious no? I'm far from a bandwagon fan, If that were the case I would be loved in here not hated. Sorry you got your knickers in a twist, It's really not that big of a deal.

Mr. Manager

Crann na Beatha

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Ireland888

Mellor wrote: »

Calling Chad a "white belt" is retarded.
His rank, or lack thereof, in BJJ means nothing in terms of his grappling ability

Chad is a white belt- it is a fact. Sorry if that offends you.

Ireland888

Ireland888 wrote: »

I love how you think you own this thread. What did I say that was wrong?
If you ever watched his fight you'd know he's a novice striker, and doesn't kick I'm sorry these are facts that anyone who knows anything about the Ufc knows.

17-2 in MMA doesn't mean much- you actually have to watch the fights not just look at records. Hence the reason why artem Lobov has been told to fight people in Europe, get to 500, and then he could join. Records are for amateurs like yourself who can't actually analyze skills AKA the bandwagon fans.

the hell are you talking about mendez is the toughest fighter connors ever faced by a looooong shot he's a good striker just because he uses his fists over his legs does not negate that, he's a good enough wrestler that he will challenge mcgregor in a way that he has not been yet at this level and most of all he's about as tough a dude as there is he won't take a punch and retreat he will keep coming and coming and coming.

also what the hell do you mean 17-2 doesn't mean much hes never lost a fight outside of jose aldo he's an outstanding fighter and your being a tad ignorant calling other people amateurs and then claiming that means nothing

Ireland888

Ireland888 wrote: »

Chad is a white belt- it is a fact. Sorry if that offends you.

his point was that that has nothing to do with grappling your talking about ju jitsu its a different thing entirely. mark hunt does not kick so is he a terrible striker :rolleyes:

darced

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Lukker-

Ireland888 wrote: »

Chad is a white belt- it is a fact. Sorry if that offends you.

It's kind of irrelevant when he doesn't train BJJ. He's the best wrestler in the division and probably has the best grappling too.

Ireland888

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Yes, this is my thread. You're welcome.

On what planet is Mendes a novice striker? To get back to stats, 50% of his wins have been by KO/TKO. So how It's a fact that he's a novice striker is truly beyond me. 17-2 in MMA doesn't mean much? news to me, go tell Conor that.

I'm an amateur so you're referring to yourself as what? a pro? not a tad pretentious no? I'm far from a bandwagon fan, If that were the case I would be loved in here not hated. Sorry you got your knickers in a twist, It's really not that big of a deal.

Conor would agree- fighting amateurs in The UK that are fulltime graphic designers by day is different than fighting a Poirer or Mendes. You do not understand this sport. 50 percent of KOs doesn't mean you are good at striking necessarily, typical fanboy. Let me explain: you look at form, shots from previous fights, experience level, and eye test. Conor is fundamentally a better striker than Chad- that simple. amateur is a vague word- what did you start training at SBG after the Ireland show? It's a long way to the top bud haha

Ken Shamrock

BTW, obviously I don't think I own this thread, I'm sitting in work with absolutely nothing to do, so I'm pretty much replying to EVERYTHING. I can see how that can be annoying, just put me on ignore and you'll be grand.

Ireland888

Ireland888 wrote: »

Conor would agree- fighting amateurs in The UK that are fulltime graphic designers by day is different than fighting a Poirer or Mendes. You do not understand this sport. 50 percent of KOs doesn't mean you are good at striking necessarily, typical fanboy. Let me explain: you look at form, shots from previous fights, experience level, and eye test. Conor is fundamentally a better striker than Chad- that simple. amateur is a vague word- what did you start training at SBG after the Ireland show? It's a long way to the top bud haha

:rolleyes:

Ireland888

Lukker- wrote: »

It's kind of irrelevant when he doesn't train BJJ. He's the best wrestler in the division and probably has the best grappling too.

I agree he's the best wrestler but Nick and Nate Diaz were always on their back. Getting someone down is 1 thing, but finishing is a completely different thing- that's why I said the exact words: I think Conor's guard will surprise people (if taken down)

Ken Shamrock

Ireland888 wrote: »

Conor would agree- fighting amateurs in The UK that are fulltime graphic designers by day is different than fighting a Poirer or Mendes. You do not understand this sport. 50 percent of KOs doesn't mean you are good at striking necessarily, typical fanboy. Let me explain: you look at form, shots from previous fights, experience level, and eye test. Conor is fundamentally a better striker than Chad- that simple. amateur is a vague word- what did you start training at SBG after the Ireland show? It's a long way to the top bud haha

Sorry, I need to bow out of this argument before I embarrass myself anymore by stooping to your level...hilarious stuff coming out of you.

Lukker-

Ireland888 wrote: »

I agree he's the best wrestler but Nick and Nate Diaz were always on their back. Getting someone down is 1 thing, but finishing is a completely different thing- that's why I said the exact words: I think Conor's guard will surprise people (if taken down)

I think it will too. I don't think ground game is gonna come into loads anyways. Connor's take down defence is excellent and if he can control the distance I don't think Mendes will get too close to him.

Ireland888

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Sorry, I need to bow out of this argument before I embarrass myself anymore by stooping to your level...hilarious stuff coming out of you.

And never once did you refute a single point with facts. Just sarcasm- have fun at your intro to bjj class later today sweetheart, maybe you can get on the October card...LOL

Depp

Here lads cut out the personal stuff you'll get this thread closed

El Guapo!

Locking this till I can have a look through it. Until then, don't drag the same crap into another thread.