Seat Hoggers

_Kaiser_

Back when I used to get buses I'd always put my bag beside me if there were plenty of other seats.. I don't need some fat, sweaty type overflowing into my space or treating me to whatever shyte they were listening to on their iPod/phone, or getting to listen to their phone conversation all the way... and of course if they were still there when it was time to get off it was such an inconvenience for them to move!

These days I have a car.. guaranteed a seat, as cool/warm as I like it, my choice of music and always there much faster than the public transport alternative. I'd rather drive and sit in traffic/pay for parking than waste anymore of my life on buses!

Kev W

Kev W wrote: »

If only your parents had been so forward thinking, I wouldn't have had to feel physically sick at such a ****ty comment.

Its particularly obnoxious, even for here.

veryangryman

Man i love driving

Public transport is sh1te, Every time i use it, something annoying happens...Some examples

Beggars at station
Driver doesn't know directions
Heat doesn't work (or not used right by driver)

Vowel Movement

I'm 6'4". whenever someone reclines their seat they get the pleasure of my knees digging into their back. not out of spite but just physics.

Kev W

veryangryman wrote: »

Man i love driving

Public transport is sh1te, Every time i use it, something annoying happens...Some examples

Beggars at station
Driver doesn't know directions
Heat doesn't work (or not used right by driver)

EW POOR PEOPLE GROSS

One eyed Jack

Reading this thread, each subsequent post was like being at a tennis match -

*seat goes back*

*seat goes forward*

*seat goes back*

*seat goes forward*

:pac:


Thank feck I've only ever been on two flights in my life - once out of the country, and I couldn't wait to get home, and then on the way home they'd no blankets and I froze like a popsicle. I can't remember if the seats did or didn't recline, I didn't realise they could

Never have any problems with public transport, although there was that one time on the bus when there was a mother with a small baby in the seat behind me, and the father sitting beside them. I couldn't hold it in any longer and broke wind, took a good five minutes to rise, and I was already struggling with the smell, when the next thing I heard the mother behind me scream at the dad "Ahh jayyysus! I told you to change him before we left!"...

Had to bite my knuckles to stop myself screaming laughing as the tears rolled down my face

SteM

Classic Ben Elton.

BMMachine

conorhal wrote: »

Oh dear, that's pretty much a Father Stack level fail of a post.

The problem is your 'self(ish) imposed (on others) value system' that assumes a public space is yours to enjoy with no thought or respect for the rest of your fellow passengers.

except of course all the things I say in the rest of that post such as " If people need the seat than yeah, of course I'll move the bag and its not that big a deal." and "I also dont mind standing."

if you ignore that then yeah, you'd have a point

thesimpsons

Agricola wrote: »

Economy class to any destination should never have reclining seats imo. Economy isnt about luxuriating, its about getting from A to B as cheaply as possible, which is why Ryanair did away with the feature afew years back. It's non essential, especially on short haul.

Instead of expecting others who would otherwise be happy with a regular seat, to pay more for extra legroom, it seems to me that people who want to go to bed when they get on a flight from Dublin to London should have the option of paying more for a seat in an area of the plane where afew rows are reserved for big, soft, comfy lazy boy type seats. Pay for your extra comfort. People who are happy to sit up straight for an hour or 2 can happily pay the low fare for the non recliners.

the problem is that all people are different and all seats are different and there is not such thing as a seat to suit all. even a short 1 hour flight generally leaves me with a very uncomfortable back pain for hours if I can't recline the seat a bit. If that makes the person behind me uncomfortable on or after the fight, then I'm sorry for them but travel isn't glamourous (unless its private jet). if the choice is for me to be uncomfortable or for the person behind me to be uncomfortable, then I'm always going to look after myself.

pablo128

Vowel Movement wrote: »

I'm 6'4". whenever someone reclines their seat they get the pleasure of my knees digging into their back. not out of spite but just physics.

I'm 6'3" and I do the same thing. Out of spite though.:D

pablo128

Candie wrote: »

No, I don't feel like it's my right to make you uncomfortable. It is my right to use the seat I paid for though, and it's not your right to expect me not to because you're tall.

Would you get into the front seat of a taxi, with 3 of your friends in the back, and recline the seat back all the way? For the sake of the argument it's a long taxi journey, and you are very tired. You are splitting the bill, so you have paid for the seat you are sitting in, so obviously you have paid to use all of its functions. I'm lying across a leather 3 seater couch awaiting your reply.:)

pablo128

pablo128 wrote: »

Would you get into the front seat of a taxi, with 3 of your friends in the back, and recline the seat back all the way? For the sake of the argument it's a long taxi journey, and you are very tired. You are splitting the bill, so you have paid for the seat you are sitting in, so obviously you have paid to use all of its functions. I'm lying across a leather 3 seater couch awaiting your reply.:)

For this to be comparable, the three friends in the back would have to be in the same seats, with same reclining functions and legroom.

I'm sitting with my feet up and my arms on two - TWO! - armrests.

Don't get me started on armrests.

One eyed Jack

pablo128 wrote: »

Would you get into the front seat of a taxi, with 3 of your friends in the back, and recline the seat back all the way? For the sake of the argument it's a long taxi journey, and you are very tired. You are splitting the bill, so you have paid for the seat you are sitting in, so obviously you have paid to use all of its functions. I'm lying across a leather 3 seater couch awaiting your reply.:)

Ahh here, that's a completely different scenario in fairness :pac:

stehyl15

veryangryman wrote: »

Man i love driving

Public transport is sh1te, Every time i use it, something annoying happens...Some examples

Beggars at station
Driver doesn't know directions
Heat doesn't work (or not used right by driver)

Driving is sh1te when you watch about 10 buses go by you in the bus lane when your stuck in traffic. Also I have come across beggars in car park.

pablo128

Candie wrote: »

For this to be comparable, the three friends in the back would have to be in the same seats, with same reclining functions and legroom.

I'm sitting with my feet up and my arms on two - TWO! - armrests.

Don't get me started on armrests.

I'll take that as a 'no' then. Would you like to tell us all why you wouldn't recline or slide the seat back?

5starpool

There are very limited circumstances when I might recline my seat on a plane.

1. If the person behind me grabs my headrest when they stand up, and basically rock my whole seat. An annoying amount of people do this and they deserve no sympathy.
2. If it is a very long flight overnight or the last in a series of flights I might recline it a small amount, nowhere near the maximum.
3. If the person behind me has it done, and criteria above is true.

Other than that I won't bother. Some US airline planes though, especially domestic routes, have quite a lot of legroom though so it is less of a big deal then, but I'll still check behind before doing aything.

If you lot were on a plane together, I'd be the one hiding in the toilet....... Scared!

Footoo

Candie wrote: »

For this to be comparable, the three friends in the back would have to be in the same seats, with same reclining functions and legroom.

I'm sitting with my feet up and my arms on two - TWO! - armrests.

Don't get me started on armrests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reEJaUaPo8E

lobjet

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Why do you keep repeating paid reclining seat? I could hold down the recline button and rock back and forth violently on my paid for reclining seat too if I was a total ****ing arsehole but I am not that kind of person.

Why do you ask?

If you do that you will be asked to stop by the crew as that is antisocial behavior.

Funnily enough you won't normally be asked not to recline your chair (meals excluded).

That's because the cabin crew* don't view it as antisocial to use an inbuilt feature for the very purpose it was intended for.

*The people spend their working lives in planes.

pablo128

pablo128 wrote: »

I'll take that as a 'no' then. Would you like to tell us all why you wouldn't recline or slide the seat back?

Take it however you want, but it's not even remotely comparable.

pablo128

Candie wrote: »

Take it however you want, but it's not even remotely comparable.

No answer then. Thanks.

lobjet

pablo128 wrote: »

No answer then. Thanks.

but it was an answer.

can you deny that. yes or no.

PARlance

They could trial the following:
Left hand side (of plane) for recliners, right hand side for the uprights.

World peace follows.

pablo128

lobjet wrote: »

but it was an answer.

can you deny that. yes or no.

IT WASN'T AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION!

Happy?:)

lobjet

pablo128 wrote: »

IT WASN'T AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION!

Happy?:)

cant answer a yes or no question then.

thanks.

pablo128

lobjet wrote: »

cant answer a yes or no question then.

thanks.

For fcuks sake.

Yes she did answer. No, she didn't answer my question.
Happy?

lobjet

pablo128 wrote: »

For fcuks sake.

Yes she did answer. No, she didn't answer my question.
Happy?

she did.

and the quality of the answer matched the quality of the questions.

that is to say .... if you were a cloud and an answer is rain, then her rain is comparable to her answer in respect of your question being a cloud because rain comes from clouds and answers come from questions.

Its entirely the same thing. Just in the same way that a seat on a plane is comparable to being in a taxi with your mates or an apple is comparable with an elephant.

do you deny this ?

no answer.

thanks.

pablo128

lobjet wrote: »

she did.

and the quality of the answer matched the quality of the questions.

that is to say .... if you were a cloud and an answer is rain, then her rain is comparable to her answer in respect of your question being a cloud because rain comes from clouds and answers come from questions.

Its entirely the same thing. Just in the same way that a seat on a plane is comparable to being in a taxi with your mates or an apple is comparable with an elephant.

do you deny this ?

no answer.

thanks.

Why don't you go and fook off and annoy someone else? Seriously. You're on another thread comparing someone wanting to take a sickie to a sex offender. Why don't you try to contribute to the thread instead of answering for other people.

Egginacup

Knex. wrote: »

I'm 6ft3 and have had people practically try and break my knees by putting their chairs back. 4 inches is a lot when your dealing in what is already confined space.

Shouldn't even be an option.

Should arches be raised just for you so you don't crack your skull?

Should tables in restaurants all be rearranged to allow you more leg room as the waiter trip over your outstretched limbs and your awkward hooves?

Should we all cycle out of your way because your gangly knees stick out at right angles forcing everyone to give you extra space?

What else do you want? You're lanky, so the designers of modes of conveyance must prioritise you over all others?

lobjet

pablo128 wrote: »

Why don't you go and fook off and annoy someone else? Seriously. You're on another thread comparing someone wanting to take a sickie to a sex offender. Why don't you try to contribute to the thread instead of answering for other people.

but I had to lampoon your facetious analogy.

to take any false sense of triumph away.

somebody has to be the fiat micra to the lowered 02 bmw that is such ass-hattery.

you cant just claim victory and then leave all of a ...

somesoldiers

There's a one gets on the Longford train from Connolly each evening as it starts to fill up and sits on the outside so she can keep a seat for the fella. Anyone that asks to sit down is told "oh sorry I'm keeping this seat", most just tut and move on.
One evening some man confronted her saying there was no reserved seating and asked her to please move and let him sit down. She ended up storming off in a huff, I was so delighted for the bat

Badly Drunk Boy

Luke92 wrote: »

Pre purchase seats with extra leg room. Front row is best! I always try get front row for long haul.

They aren't always available.

one day man wrote: »

I paid for a chair that reclines.

dont like it - use a different airline. one that doesn't have such seats.

YOU are the one being unreasonable, your stature isn't a big factor in my holiday plans.

I really should read the small print when I book flights. I've never seen anything telling me whether my seat reclines or not. Also, is their a list of which airlines have reclining seats and which don't?

Red Kev wrote: »

Fly Ryanair where the seats don't recline or book a seat near the emergency exit which has more legroom.

Yeah, they just throw in extra rows of seats, reducing legroom for everybody, but meaning that taller people still suffer whether the person in front of them is considerate or not.

Candie wrote: »

I can't understand why it's okay to expect very overweight people to book two seats so they have enough room, but it's not okay to expect tall people to book the seats with extra legroom.

Probably because "they could lose the weight if they really wanted to". Tall people can't usually become less tall without an amputation or two (or osteoporosis'n'stuff).

I'm 6'5" so I don't often have comfortable flight. Seats at the emergency exits aren't always available, even if you can afford them, as there are obviously a limited number of them. I'd probably fly a lot more if it weren't for the discomfort.

RollieFingers

Candie wrote: »

It's anti social to use your seat?

People need to direct their ire at the airlines who don't provide enough room, not the people just using their seats.

I can't understand why it's okay to expect very overweight people to book two seats so they have enough room, but it's not okay to expect tall people to book the seats with extra legroom.

Probably because tall people can't help what height they are, where as, overweight people can have control over their weight issues!

Streetwalker

Make a point of putting my airplane seat all the way back. I paid for it and fu ck everyone else.

Peregrine

pablo128 wrote: »

No answer then. Thanks.

lobjet wrote: »

but it was an answer.

can you deny that. yes or no.

pablo128 wrote: »

IT WASN'T AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION!

Happy?:)

lobjet wrote: »

cant answer a yes or no question then.

thanks.

pablo128 wrote: »

For fcuks sake.

Yes she did answer. No, she didn't answer my question.
Happy?

Mod: Can you two stop this bickering, please?

pablo128 wrote: »

Why don't you go and fook off and annoy someone else? Seriously. You're on another thread comparing someone wanting to take a sickie to a sex offender. Why don't you try to contribute to the thread instead of answering for other people.

You know that tone isn't acceptable. You don't have to engage with users whom you don't like.
-
Now, can we get back on topic?

SMJSF

I put my bag on the seat beside me because I don't do well being that close to someone I don't know.
Of course when there's only 3 other people on the bus, someone decides to squish me into the window, and when you do that, don't get all uncomfortable when I start losing my breath... It's my personal space you've invaded!

From the woman who is quite happily sitting alone in the right hand corner at the back of the bus, please leave me alone, and pick a different seat.

I think it's called claustrophobia... Maybe? :P

jaymcg91

Listen, I'm 6"3, when people put their seats all the way back, then my knees become a feature of their journey for the duration! Can't help that, and I can't put my legs any place else either.

I reckon we're heading toward a day where reclining seats will be gone, and I will love that day .

stehyl15

stehyl15 wrote: »

Driving is sh1te when you watch about 10 buses go by you in the bus lane when your stuck in traffic. Also I have come across beggars in car park.

I've yet to experience such an event.

I might get passed out by a bus in a bus lane an odd time but it's often the bus that left my destination an hour before I did in the car.

Egginacup

RollieFingers wrote: »

Probably because tall people can't help what height they are, where as, overweight people can have control over their weight issues!

And what about disabled people?

Disabled people deserve to have as much comfort as everyone else...maybe even moreso depending on their condition.

So fat people, according to you, can change their condition, but you....lanky fucker that you are cannot.

I doubt I'd hear a single disabled person (who can't help their limitations) demand that every other person on the plane ought to have seats designed for their [the disabled person's] specific comfort. Yet you, being of long-legedness seems to think that you deserve exclusive treatment.

gossipgirl10

Another place people love to hog seats is the kind of café / foodcourt etc where you have to order and get your food first and then look for a seat. You always have people that think oh no I'm going to be left without a seat so they go and hog a table while the other person queues up and orders and leaves people wandering around with their food getting cold and no place to sit.

I was recently getting lunch in a very busy restaurant and as I was standing in the queue I was keeping an eye on spots to sit and thought ya I should be fine some people are nearly finished I should get a seat by the time I make it to the top of the queue. There was a pretty big queue behind me at this stage and all of a sudden some girl appears who was obviously with a group for lunch and she goes in and starts pushing any free tables together and taking any spare chairs in sight leaving jackets bags etc on them to "save them". I got my food and managed to squeeze in somewhere beside other people and by the time I had finished my food and was leaving she wasn't even at the top of the queue yet. Talk about inconsiderate hogging about half the seats in the place just to make sure your group had somewhere to sit when they eventually got their food despite the fact those tables would have been used and been free again by the time the queue moved along.

Kirby

You paid for a seat on a plane. A seat. Not a bed. Its the height of ignorance , selfishness and poor manners to make the person behind you miserable just because you want to sleep.

There is this thing called "empathy". I know its a struggle for some of the people in this thread but its a real thing believe it or not. Just because you are the same height as danny devito, doesnt mean everyone else is. You could try and put yourself in their shoes for a minute.

You are short. You already have more room than them even though you paid the exact same price. So you already have a more comfortable experience. How ignorant do you have to be to go out of your way to ruin somebody elses flight?

RollieFingers

Egginacup wrote: »

And what about disabled people?

Disabled people deserve to have as much comfort as everyone else...maybe even moreso depending on their condition.

So fat people, according to you, can change their condition, but you....lanky fucker that you are cannot.

I doubt I'd hear a single disabled person (who can't help their limitations) demand that every other person on the plane ought to have seats designed for their [the disabled person's] specific comfort. Yet you, being of long-legedness seems to think that you deserve exclusive treatment.

I'm not demanding anything?

Simply saying being tall isn't the same as being overweight, you can't help what height you are!

And obviously disabled people should be the first to be accommodated on planes, trains, buses etc. All vital in helping many disabled people to get around. No one would disagree with that I'm sure!

Chill out Eggy!

inforfun

At 6'3'' i have had my fair share of chairs smashed into my kneecaps.
Fly Ryanair whenever i can just because those chairs dont recline.
On a 4+ hour flight i can understand people might want to take a nap and put their chair back.
But on a mid day flight that takes about an hour i cant help but think they are just doing it to annoy the people behind them.

Might be coincidence but it always seem short arses of 5'5'' and less who do it to me too.

FionnK86

I work for a bus company based in Dublin, one of the benefits is that I get free travel to and from work everyday. Coincidentally, I see the regular passengers who are always friendly and courteous. Then there are the irregular ones.

We once had a woman who payed twice the free to pre-book a seat so she could have the legroom. However she did not say this to the driver, who instead left a spare seat up the front and sent a passenger down the back to sit beside her. She was too timid to say to the passenger that she had pre-booked the seat, and instead phoned the company the next day to get her money back.

razorblunt

jaymcg91 wrote: »

Listen, I'm 6"3, when people put their seats all the way back, then my knees become a feature of their journey for the duration! Can't help that, and I can't put my legs any place else either.

I reckon we're heading toward a day where reclining seats will be gone, and I will love that day .

I'm 6'3 and I'm fine with reclining seats as long as someone has the decency to have a quick look behind before reclining. More often than not you can move your legs to the side of the recline and not be effected anyway.

Menas

I used to fly weekly with Air France...in economy- back in the 90s. One of the perks that my company negotiated with them was they would leave the seat beside me free unless the plane was full. After a while, in my case they agreed to leave the seat in front of me free. That was a God send!

Egginacup

awec wrote: »

People who recline on planes are dickheads.

I had some ignorant prat of a woman and her goon of a husband recline the whole way from JFK to Dublin and she had the cheek to turn around with this false concern asking does my seat not recline too? :mad:

I've taken that flight over 20 times. It's an overnight flight and it's not much more than 5 hours. I've flown on 747's and Airbuses. The seats recline a little but not so much as to cause the person behind any major discomfort. What are you bitching about. Recline your own damn seat at go to sleep or get up and go down the back of the plane and sit on the floor and stretch out.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Oh god! How am I only seeing this thread now?!
THIS IS MY BIGGEST BUGBEAR!! Jesus!
I take the train to work every single morning, and from the minute I get on, people just wreck my head from doing this. The train is almost full, there's old people walking down the carriage and you can see people pretend to be asleep or turn their heads so they don't have to make eye contact. I always take in my surroundings and then decide whichever seat hogger is annoying me most on that particular morning/that particular carriage, I'll go and ask them to move.

The rankings of most annoying are (and who I'll disturb first)
- people who are curled up on both seats sleeping
- people with earphones in making a big show about how they can't see you because they're gawking out the window
- people with suitcases/weekend bags on the seat
- people who sit on the outside seat and keep the inside seat for their folders/laptops
- aul ones sprawled out over two seats

I enjoy asking people to move if there's older people with nowhere to sit either.
"Excuse me could you move your bag there, there's people standing".

And the most frustrating thing is - I see it every single morning and the people who do it most clearly don't travel by train an awful lot, so probably think that by looking out the window/pretending to snooze, that people won't know what a thundering c-word they really are

Medusa22

I usually fly ryanair so I don't have the luxury of reclining my seat. I'm trying to think if I usually do it on Aer Lingus, I don't think I do. Just because it annoys me when someone reclines their seat in front of me and my table gets pushed up next to me. Having said that though, I think that it is up to you whether you want to recline your seat or not, I don't think that people who do it are complete d1cks or anything.

When I'm on a bus or a train I will put my bag on the seat next to me if there are plenty of free seats, and I certainly don't think it is the height of ignorance. If someone looks as if they want to sit next to me or if the bus or train is getting busier then I will put my bag on my lap so people can sit down. I just don't see the point of doing this on an empty bus/train.

Antarctica

Knex. wrote: »

I'm 6ft3 and have had people practically try and break my knees by putting their chairs back. 4 inches is a lot when your dealing in what is already confined space.

Shouldn't even be an option.

Try get emergency aisle seat tall fella.