Buying a maltichon

lampylady

Thinking of buying a maltichon. any one any advice?

ShaShaBear

lampylady wrote: »

Thinking of buying a maltichon. any one any advice?

Paying money for a mongrel?
My advice is don't.
Only backyard breeders and people out to make a quick few bucks will intentionally breed mongrel puppies.

Nody

lampylady wrote: »

Thinking of buying a maltichon. any one any advice?

Sure; I think you'll find this thread will give you a lot of insight about it.

retro:electro

To be honest it annoys me the way people are so quick to dismiss them and say they're the product of puppy farms. We got our maltichon from a lovely home where he was one of three puppies and boy he came from luxury. He actually downgraded when he came to live with us lol.

Puppy farms will produce any kind of dog that is popular at that moment in time, last year it was huskys, this year it's shihtzu maltese mix, a few years ago it was King Charles breed. It's not just "mongrels" and it's annoys me when people say that. As long as your sure of where your dog is coming from then can't see anything wrong with the breed. People are so quick to snap and say they're not a "proper breed", I guess we should just abandon them all so and never give any of them a chance of a happy home!

cocker5

lampylady wrote: »

Thinking of buying a maltichon. any one any advice?

Please don't... all you will be doing is supporting back yard / puppy farm breeders who make money from breeding mongrels dogs.

Mongrels dogs are brilliant dogs... but why support such a horrible trade in Ireland.... if you want a mongrel all you have to do is look in your local pound / rescue centre - they are heaving with these dogs... (and pedigrees) ... many of whom come from puppy farms / back yard breeders.

Please do your research and google puppy farms in ireland and the "breeds" (if you can call them that) they sell at a hefty profit...

ShaShaBear

anna080 wrote: »

To be honest it annoys me the way people are so quick to dismiss them and say they're the product of puppy farms. We got our maltichon from a lovely home where he was one of three puppies and boy he came from luxury. He actually downgraded when he came to live with us lol.

Puppy farms will produce any kind of dog that is popular at that moment in time, last year it was huskys, this year it's shihtzu maltese mix, a few years ago it was King Charles breed. It's not just "mongrels" and it's annoys me when people say that. As long as your sure of where your dog is coming from then can't see anything wrong with the breed. People are so quick to snap and say they're not a "proper breed", I guess we should just abandon them all so and never give any of them a chance of a happy home!

There is a difference in rescuing a mongrel and paying money for one that was intentionally bred. People who breed these dogs are in it for pure profit and obviously have no regard for the amount of similar breeds discarded in pounds because they weren't as the seller advertised. It has absolutely nothing to do with it not being a proper breed. It's got to do with some selfish person intentionally making more puppies for their own financial gain - purebred or not.

retro:electro

ShaShaBear wrote: »

There is a difference in rescuing a mongrel and paying money for one that was intentionally bred. People who breed these dogs are in it for pure profit and obviously have no regard for the amount of similar breeds discarded in pounds because they weren't as the seller advertised. It has absolutely nothing to do with it not being a proper breed. It's got to do with some selfish person intentionally making more puppies for their own financial gain - purebred or not.

Well a minute ago it was because they are mongrels. So do you suggest people only ever rescue dogs and never ever buy?

Nody

anna080 wrote: »

Well a minute you you called them mongrels. So do you suggest people only ever rescue dogs and never ever buy?

They are a mongrel; it is not a recognised breed and a mix of two or more breeds it is a mongrel.

ShaShaBear

anna080 wrote: »

Well a minute you you called them mongrels. So do you suggest people only ever rescue dogs and never ever buy?

Maltichons are mongrels. Hence why I called them mongrels. Of course people buy. But if you were dealing with a reputable breeder, you would know where the cost came from. There is almost no profit to be made by a reputable breeder selling their pups if it is done right.

retro:electro

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Maltichons are mongrels. Hence why I called them mongrels. Of course people buy. But if you were dealing with a reputable breeder, you would know where the cost came from. There is almost no profit to be made by a reputable breeder selling their pups if it is done right.

There is nothing to suggest the op wouldn't be buying from a reputable breeder. Maybe that should have been your advice so, "make sure it's from a reputable breeder op" and not jump down her throat and judge her for wanting a mongrel.

cocker5

anna080 wrote: »

To be honest it annoys me the way people are so quick to dismiss them and say they're the product of puppy farms. We got our maltichon from a lovely home where he was one of three puppies and boy he came from luxury. He actually downgraded when he came to live with us lol.

Puppy farms will produce any kind of dog that is popular at that moment in time, last year it was huskys, this year it's shihtzu maltese mix, a few years ago it was King Charles breed. It's not just "mongrels" and it's annoys me when people say that. As long as your sure of where your dog is coming from then can't see anything wrong with the breed. People are so quick to snap and say they're not a "proper breed", I guess we should just abandon them all so and never give any of them a chance of a happy home!

I think you are missing the point here... by buying these "posh mix breeds" people are encouraging puppy farms / backyard breeders... fueling the horrible trade even more.

retro:electro

cocker5 wrote: »

I think you are missing the point here... by buying these "posh mix breeds" people are encouraging puppy farms / backyard breeders... fueling the horrible trade even more.

I think you're missing my point. Puppy farms will breed whatever they can and mostly whatever is popular, that is not exclusive to maltichons or any mongrel. Yes it's terrible that this happens but should someone avoid getting a dog that they really want from a reputable breeder just incase that may fuel/encourage back yard breeders? That makes no sense.

Cows Go µ

anna080 wrote: »

I think you're missing my point. Puppy farms will breed whatever they can and mostly whatever is popular, that is not exclusive to maltichons. Yes it's terrible that this happens but should someone avoid getting a dog that they really want from a reputable breeder just incase that may fuel/encourage back yard breeders? That makes no sense.

I think the problem is that there are no reputable breeders of mongrels. If you can find one, kudos to you. Personally I've never encountered one and I doubt anyone on here has either. At least with the pure breeds, yes there are backyard breeders and puppy farmers, but there are also people who do all the necessary health checks on the parents and take proper care of the pups. And it takes a lot of research to figure out which ones are which.

wally1990

Well to answer OP question,, they are a great dog. I have one myself and they are very loveable,quiet and follow rules easily(with training)

kylith

anna080 wrote: »

I think you're missing my point. Puppy farms will breed whatever they can and mostly whatever is popular, that is not exclusive to maltichons. Yes it's terrible that this happens but should someone avoid getting a dog that they really want from a reputable breeder just incase that may fuel/encourage back yard breeders? That makes no sense.

The problem is that reputable breeders will not breed mixed breeds. Therefore anyone purposefully breeding mongrels is not a reputable breeder. If someone is advertising maltichons or cockapoos they are not a reputable breeder.

Zadkiel

anna080 wrote: »

I think you're missing my point. Puppy farms will breed whatever they can and mostly whatever is popular, that is not exclusive to maltichons or any mongrel. Yes it's terrible that this happens but should someone avoid getting a dog that they really want from a reputable breeder just incase that may fuel/encourage back yard breeders? That makes no sense.

The entire point is that reputable breeders do not breed mongrels

retro:electro

kylith wrote: »

The problem is that reputable breeders will not breed mixed breeds. Therefore anyone purposefully breeding mongrels is not a reputable breeder. If someone is advertising maltichons or cockapoos they are not a reputable breeder.

And so they all end up in the pound; what happens then?

Cows Go µ

wally1990 wrote: »

Well to answer OP question,, they are a great dog. I have one myself and they are very loveable,quiet and follow rules easily(with training)

Your one was. The problem with crossing two breeds is that no two are the same. They could get everything from the maltese or everything from the bichon frise or a mix of the two. They are a complete lottery.

Not that all pure breed dogs are the same within one breed. My sheltie is hyperactive, eager to learn and obsessed with cuddles, her dad is completely laid back and will only do anything if there is food visible, though he also loves cuddles

Cows Go µ

anna080 wrote: »

And so they all end up in the pound; what happens then?

If they all end up in a pound, there's no money in breeding them and so puppy farm will. Then they can be rescued. By buying them, you are only encouraging the puppy farmers to breed more

retro:electro

Cows Go µ wrote: »

If they all end up in a pound, there's no money in breeding them and so puppy farm will. Then they can be rescued. By buying them, you are only encouraging the puppy farmers to breed more

It's not a crime to want a particular breed. People aren't stupid but if the op does but from a puppy farm then that is a shame. Puppy farms don't just produce mongrels. People really do need to get over themselves though and not be so quick to judge.

Starscream25

I have a maltichon, she's 6 next January, no health issues up to this point but I do give her the annual shot.
I've owned a number of dogs so far and have loved them all but She is the most affectionate dog I've ever had but also needy.
It depends what you want OP, I can say they are minimum maintenance dogs, so if long walks aren't your cup of tea then a smaller dog like a maltichon may suit.

muddypaws

anna080 wrote: »

It's not a crime to want a particular breed. People aren't stupid but if the op does but from a puppy farm then that is a shame. Puppy farms don't just produce mongrels. People really do need to get over themselves though and not be so quick to judge.

Nothing wrong at all in wanting a particular breed. However, a maltichon is not a breed.

retro:electro

muddypaws wrote: »

Nothing wrong at all in wanting a particular breed. However, a maltichon is not a breed.

Semantics

Nody

anna080 wrote: »

Semantics

No not really; you see there are ethical breeders for recognised breeds but the only reason for mongrel breeding is to sell them for profit by attaching a cute name making them sound like a full breed dog (with a very very tiny group who try to create a new breed to be recognised but those are most often simply back yard breeders trying to make you believe that it's a recognised breed they are selling). Does that mean all pure breeds are from ethical breeders? Of course not but at least there are ethical breeders of them compared to mongrel breeders...

The above does excludes working dogs because that type of breeding could use mongrels on occasion but not commonly and well, they are not really looking to sell the dog based on the breed mix and are usually only looking for a good home for a dog that's not suitable work dog.

cocker5

anna080 wrote: »

It's not a crime to want a particular breed. People aren't stupid but if the op does but from a puppy farm then that is a shame. Puppy farms don't just produce mongrels. People really do need to get over themselves though and not be so quick to judge.

I have to disagree.. lots of people (not all) are stupid...
they do very little research, buy from adverts and donedeal ... take puppies less than 8 weeks etc.... happens everyday

Nobody is judging most posters here try and discourage buying these dogs as you are encouraging back yards breeders / puppy farms etc

chanelfreak

anna080 wrote: »

Semantics

Anna, with all due respect it's not semantics.

By encouraging and supporting these backyard breeders, people are aggravating the situation and more and more scumbags (because unfortunately that is what most of these opportunist 'breeders' are) will think it is a great idea to breed something like a pug and a shihtzu because they are 'cute', without ever even considering the health problems that such a poor dog would have.

If the OP really wants a small dog, I would recommend they either get a maltese or a bichon from a reputable breeder and stop contributing to the horrible lives that most of these poor unfortunate 'designer' pups have to suffer through.

muddypaws

anna080 wrote: »

Semantics

Nope, not at all. Can you tell me what benefit there is in crossing the two breeds?

You don't seem to understand that the people who do this, really don't care about the dogs at all, they are breeding 'cute' pups to sell and make money. They aren't doing it to better the breed, to produce healthier dogs, or for the love of a particular breed. I'm sure that maltese/bichon crosses have been around for years, but its only a recent thing to put a name on them and add a few hundred euros to the price. Neither parent would be health tested. So what do you think happens to the parents when they can't be bred from anymore? Do you think they get to live inside a house, sleeping by the fire? Or do you accept that they will be dumped in the pound, or killed because they are no longer earning any money? So people buying these pups are ensuring that their parents (and any unsold siblings) have a miserable life. Is that OK, just so they can buy a cute puppy? I don't think it is, and thats not being a snob, its caring about dog welfare, which I will continue to do.

retro:electro

muddypaws wrote: »

Nope, not at all. Can you tell me what benefit there is in crossing the two breeds?

You don't seem to understand that the people who do this, really don't care about the dogs at all, they are breeding 'cute' pups to sell and make money. They aren't doing it to better the breed, to produce healthier dogs, or for the love of a particular breed. I'm sure that maltese/bichon crosses have been around for years, but its only a recent thing to put a name on them and add a few hundred euros to the price. Neither parent would be health tested. So what do you think happens to the parents when they can't be bred from anymore? Do you think they get to live inside a house, sleeping by the fire? Or do you accept that they will be dumped in the pound, or killed because they are no longer earning any money? So people buying these pups are ensuring that their parents (and any unsold siblings) have a miserable life. Is that OK, just so they can buy a cute puppy? I don't think it is, and thats not being a snob, its caring about dog welfare, which I will continue to do.

I agree with everything you have said, but why you think that kind of cruelty is exclusive to mongrels is what baffles/annoys me. That has been my fundamental point here all along.

muddypaws

anna080 wrote: »

I agree with everything you have said, but why you think that kind of cruelty is exclusive to mongrels is what baffles/annoys me. That has been my fundamental point here all along.

I've never said it is, unfortunately there are a lot of bad breeders of pedigree dogs out there as well. However, there are also good ones, if you buy a pup from them, you know you are getting a well socialised dog from health tested parents, and back up for the dog's whole life. There are no breeders of designer crossbreeds however who will do that, so you know by buying one, you can only be buying from a puppy farmer/back yard breeder. If you take your time buying a pedigree dog, and do your research, you will find a reputable breeder.

I'm also not saying you shouldn't give a home to a crossbreed, I have crossbreeds, but I didn't give hundreds of euros to someone who deliberately bred them for money and gave them a silly name.

retro:electro

muddypaws wrote: »

I've never said it is, unfortunately there are a lot of bad breeders of pedigree dogs out there as well. However, there are also good ones, if you buy a pup from them, you know you are getting a well socialised dog from health tested parents, and back up for the dog's whole life. There are no breeders of designer crossbreeds however who will do that, so you know by buying one, you can only be buying from a puppy farmer/back yard breeder. If you take your time buying a pedigree dog, and do your research, you will find a reputable breeder.

I'm also not saying you shouldn't give a home to a crossbreed, I have crossbreeds, but I didn't give hundreds of euros to someone who deliberately bred them for money and gave them a silly name.

Well I have a maltichon who certainly didn't cost hundreds of euro. I bought him from someone who I consider to be a reputable seller who I still have contact with three years later. She hasn't had any more pups as far as I know. Her two dogs (the pure breads) were both IKC registered and healthy. He is the happiest, healthiest and smartest dog I have ever had.

Yes there are risks when buying mongrels, but that risk exists with ALL dogs, and am sick of seeing threads on this forum where a person will enquire about a "breed" (don't shoot me) only to be quickly shot down. The advice remains the same with ALL potential buyers of any dog. Be careful and be cautious and do you research. People will always be there to exploit popular breeds or "muts" or whatever you may call them, they will exploit whatever is fashionable and will garner them money; and that is not exclusive to mongrels.

cocker5

anna080 wrote: »

Well I have a maltichon who certainly didn't cost hundreds of euro. I bought him from someone who I consider to be a reputable seller who I still have contact with three years later. She hasn't had any more pups as far as I know. Her two dogs (the pure breads) were both IKC registered and healthy.

Yes there are risks when buying mongrels, but that risk exists with ALL dogs, and am sick of seeing threads on this forum where a person will enquire about a "breed" (don't shoot me) only to be quickly shot down. The advice remains the same with ALL potential buyers of any dog. Be careful and be cautious and do you research. People will always be there to exploit popular breeds or "muts" or whatever you may call them, they will exploit whatever is fashionable and will garner them money; and that is not exclusive to mongrels.

i just cannot understand this... a person breed their two dogs for profit - its very simple... they are not a recognised "breed" - the person you bought your dog from was a backyard breeder and made a few quid from their dogs - its a simple as that. unless you got the dog for free then they were not a reputable person.

The point isn't which is better a mongrel or pedigree the issue here is by purchasing these dog you are indirectly making life hell for all the dogs in puppy farms in ireland you are keeping the dreadful trade in full flame.


maltichon - i also wanted to point out that's not even an english word... its a makey uppey word to sell a cross breed that's it

kylith

anna080 wrote: »

People will always be there to exploit popular breeds or "muts" or whatever you may call them, they will exploit whatever is fashionable and will garner them money; and that is not exclusive to mongrels.

No, it's no exclusive to mongrels but the difference is that you can find a reputable, ethical breeder of Maltese dogs or Bichon Frise because there is a reason to breed those dogs other than to make money: for showing. It is impossible to find a reputable breeder of maltichons, or whatever, because the only reason to purposefully cross those breeds is for monetary gain.

retro:electro

kylith wrote: »

No, it's no exclusive to mongrels but the difference is that you can find a reputable, ethical breeder of Maltese dogs or Bichon Frise because there is a reason to breed those dogs other than to make money: for showing. It is impossible to find a reputable breeder of maltichons, or whatever, because the only reason to purposefully cross those breeds is for monetary gain.

Well the reality is these dogs exist and its not a crime to want one. Risks are there with all dogs. I was happy with where my dog came from and his papers so I bought him and I'll never regret that. Hopefully he will live a long and healthy life, so far so good. Have a nice day.

Cows Go µ

anna080 wrote: »

Well I have a maltichon who certainly didn't cost hundreds of euro. I bought him from someone who I consider to be a reputable seller who I still have contact with three years later. She hasn't had any more pups as far as I know. Her two dogs (the pure breads) were both IKC registered and healthy. He is the happiest, healthiest and smartest dog I have ever had.

I think the issue is what you consider a reputable breeder and what we consider a reputable breeder are completely different. Just because a dog is IKC registered and looks healthy enough, does not mean it should be bred from. What health checks were done? I don't know either breed very well so I don't know which specific ones need to be done for them. For instance I'm getting a sheltie so the breeder I'm going to has had the parents tested to check their eyes and if they MDR1 positive/negative etc

muddypaws

anna080 wrote: »

Well the reality is these dogs exist and its not a crime to want one. Risks are there with all dogs. I was happy with where my dog came from and his papers so I bought him and I'll never regret that. Hopefully he will live a long and healthy life, so far so good. Have a nice day.

Papers? You've lost me completely now. Even the puppy farmer register will only give papers for registered breeds.

No, its not a crime to want one, just a real shame that people can't see the bigger picture, they just want a puppy and to hell with the misery and pain they cause the parents to get what they want. Dog lovers hey? :rolleyes:

cocker5

anna080 wrote: »

Well the reality is these dogs exist and its not a crime to want one. Risks are there with all dogs. I was happy with where my dog came from and his papers so I bought him and I'll never regret that. Hopefully he will live a long and healthy life, so far so good. Have a nice day.

What papers???

he is not a breed of dog... he is a mix breed (nothing wrong with that) and they do NOT have papers... i think you are confused...

I do hope your dog lives a long and happy life as i do for all dogs full breed or not... BUT what i cannot stop thinking about is all those lovely dogs locked in cages day in day out to produce mongrels dogs such as yours which people who don't bother educating themselves buy... think of those poor dogs... they will live long lives, produce many litters BUT Not a happy or healthy life - that's the reality.. now wise up educate yourself

borderlinemeath

I wouldn't cross anything with a bichon frise, they are far too unhealthy, and come with a raft of known behavioural problems ie housetraining and excessive barking.

What is wrong with a pure bred maltese OP? Is it that they're more expensive to buy? I'd far rather an expensive well bred pup that has less known breed health issues than a cross of unknown health and behaviour. What you may spend on purchasing the pup you will save multiple times over in vet fees.

I actually prefer the personality of a maltese over a bichon as well. I find a maltese to be a lovely, lively little dog, I only know of one that has anxiety issues, whereas most bichons I know have either health or behavioural issues or both. (usually skin/allergy issues) and a good few I know have separation issues, and one is the most people aggressive dog I know - even I have to approach with extreme caution and he knows me a while.

retro:electro

I meant his parents papers. Calm down people. And please don't question my dog loving abilities on the type of dog I have, that's just the lowest of the low. Over and out.

cocker5

anna080 wrote: »

I meant his parents papers. Calm down people. And please don't question my dog loving abilities on the type of dog I have, that's just the lowest of the low. Over and out.

Dunno what you are talking about here not one poster mentioned you didn't love YOUR own dog... your just in denial about where these "breeds" come from and what they actually encourage etc

again wise up... google is an amazing tool to help you open your eyes to the realities of animal welfare in Ireland today

PS his parents papers as you put it mean NOTHING when your breeding two different breeds

Cows Go µ

anna080 wrote: »

I meant his parents papers. Calm down people. And please don't question my dog loving abilities on the type of dog I have, that's just the lowest of the low. Over and out.

We're not questioning whether or not you love your dog. I'm sure you do. Just as I love my border collie cross and my sheltie. But you got annoyed at us for saying that if someone wants to buy a puppy they should go to an reputable breeder. We are just trying to explain what a reputable breeder actually is.

If you had received papers for your puppy that would have been fraud by the breeder and would have looked a lot worse than just receiving copies of it's parents pedigrees.

retro:electro

cocker5 wrote: »

Dunno what you are talking about here not one poster mentioned you didn't love YOUR own dog... your just in denial about where these "breeds" come from and what they actually encourage etc

again wise up... google is an amazing tool to help you open your eyes to the realities of animal welfare in Ireland today

PS his parents papers as you put it mean NOTHING when your breeding two different breeds

Oh please don't be so patronising. I am well aware of the perpetual animal welfare issues in Ireland; I am also not so naive as to think it only effects mongrels or is more prevalent in them. Maybe you need to wise up and educate yourself. Anyway am off to walk the dog, toodles.

cocker5

anna080 wrote: »

Oh please don't be so patronising. I am well aware of the perpetual animal welfare issues in Ireland; I am also not so naive as to think it only effects mongrels or is more prevalent in them. Maybe you need to wise up and educate yourself. Anyway am off to walk the dog, toodles.

if you were well up on animal welfare then you wouldn't have "bought" your dog from a back yard breeder out to make a quick buck from their family pets...

DBB

Closed pending review

DBB

Okay folks,
Telling people to "wise up" (and the like) is not conducive to getting them to see the error of their ways.

The OP for this thread has been banned: I was suspicious that the OP was trolling when they posted this thread in the first place, just because of the brief/terse nature of the OP, and their previous posting. We all need to keep an eye out for people like this... you can usually spot them because they (a) start incendiary threads, AND (b) bugger off without contributing to them any more, leaving everyone to argue amongst themselves.

No pooint in keeping this thread open any more, as it was started by a troll and is scratching their trolly itch with all the fighting.

Thanks,
DBB