Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Post in OP 23/07

magnumbud

Fenix wrote: »

I don't get the Ramos hype.

If we're to raid Madrid for a CB for me it's Varane all day long.

Excellent defensively, young, scores goals, would cost half the fee and cheaper wages.

LVG is putting together a good young squad at the minute ( with a few exceptions ), to me Ramos is more the quick fix to try and force success in the short term at the possible detriment to the long term.

we have enough young defenders with potential we need an experienced leader to organize and boss the defence.

jayo26

Ha only rafa could go to reassure the media that his star defender is staying only to end up making it look like he hasnt a clue whats gonna happen. He should of just stuck to the FACTS.

DARK-KNIGHT

surely if degea is an athletico fan the last team he would wanna play for is real

Polo_Mint

I think CB and Striker this window with Back up keeper bought in January and Hugo Lloris bought next summer

jayo26

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

surely if degea is an athletico fan the last team he would wanna play for is real

You mean like caragher growing up been an everton fan and playing for liverpool? Id assume career comes first.

The Moldy Gowl

Fenix wrote: »

I don't get the Ramos hype.

If we're to raid Madrid for a CB for me it's Varane all day long.

Excellent defensively, young, scores goals, would cost half the fee and cheaper wages.

LVG is putting together a good young squad at the minute ( with a few exceptions ), to me Ramos is more the quick fix to try and force success in the short term at the possible detriment to the long term.

How much of Varane have you seen, because I would wager not a lot
In his whole career he has scored 8 goals, in 141 games. In 5 seasons.
Ehhh ya, technically you're right. He does scores goals. 8 in fact.
Smalling has 10, in 40 more games. Jones has 5 in 20 more games.

Utd do not need another young defender. Jones and Smalling are more than good enough to play the young learning defender role.

Just near in mind that familiarity breeds contempt.

py2006

Van Gaal said two more players when possible which doesn't necessarily mean this window...

He hopes to get some in this window

DARK-KNIGHT

jayo26 wrote: »

You mean like caragher growing up been an everton fan and playing for liverpool? Id assume career comes first.

carragher was an everton fan? neck on him talking about loyalty and slating sterling if he was playing for his boyhood teams biggest rivals.

DARK-KNIGHT

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How much of Varane have you seen, because I would wager not a lot
In his whole career he has scored 8 goals, in 141 games. In 5 seasons.
Ehhh ya, technically you're right. He does scores goals. 8 in fact.
Smalling has 10, in 40 more games. Jones has 5 in 20 more games.

Utd do not need another young defender. Jones and Smalling are more than good enough to play the young learning defender role.

Just near in mind that familiarity breeds contempt.

google is obviously your friend

Cookiemunster

The draw has been made for the first round ties in the CL qualifiers. The winners of these ties will join Utd, Valencia, Sporting, Leverkusen and Lazio in the next round.

Panathinaikos V Club Brugge
Young Boys V Monaco
CSKA V Sparta Prague
Rapid Wien V Ajax
Fenerbahçe V Shakhtar Donetsk

Lucas Hood

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

carragher was an everton fan? neck on him talking about loyalty and slating sterling if he was playing for his boyhood teams biggest rivals.

So was Stevie G . Raul was an Ateltico fan. Sure there's more too.
Have to put your career ahead of any of that stuff imo.

DARK-KNIGHT

dont get me wrong degea is a great keeper but he is pissing me off now... and if he accepted 5 million from real like the independant are suggesting real offered him to sit this year in OT only to sign for free next year i say FUUUUCK that off you go kid buy a keeper now and let him off

homerjay2005

Ronaldo found a mobile phone in Vegas and returned it to the owner...however, in doing so he invited her and her friends out to Dinner....he looked throught the pics on her phone obviously the dirty little b*llix

Cantona's Collars

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

carragher was an everton fan? neck on him talking about loyalty and slating sterling if he was playing for his boyhood teams biggest rivals.

Sterling is actually a United fan.Why would he have loyalty towards Liverpool when he can play with a top 4 team?

The Moldy Gowl

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

google is obviously your friend

Ehhh no, these are stats off the top of my head.
Ya, Wikipedia.

People make assumptions on olayers they haven't seen but have been told about through hype.

DARK-KNIGHT

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The draw has been made for the first round ties in the CL qualifiers. The winners of these ties will join Utd, Valencia, Sporting, Leverkusen and Lazio in the next round.

Panathinaikos V Club Brugge
Young Boys V Monaco
CSKA V Sparta Prague
Rapid Wien V Ajax
Fenerbahçe V Shakhtar Donetsk

odds on for us to get fenerbahce and rvp to run riot against us

Cookiemunster

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

dont get me wrong degea is a great keeper but he is pissing me off now... and if he accepted 5 million from real like the independant are suggesting real offered him to sit this year in OT only to sign for free next year i say FUUUUCK that off you go kid buy a keeper now and let him off

That's a BS story. All free agents get a big signing on payment. If DDG does go on a free next season then he'll get the payment when he signs for them, not now.

The Moldy Gowl

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

dont get me wrong degea is a great keeper but he is pissing me off now... and if he accepted 5 million from real like the independant are suggesting real offered him to sit this year in OT only to sign for free next year i say FUUUUCK that off you go kid buy a keeper now and let him off

He will get a signing bonus regardless. It's just the papers sensationalising it to make you angry and buy the paper and be offended

DARK-KNIGHT

zerks wrote: »

Sterling is actually a United fan.Why would he have loyalty towards Liverpool when he can play with a top 4 team?

i was knocking carragher for giving him **** in interviews recently. i dont think sterling should have been loyal isnt he a london lad?

The Moldy Gowl

Lucas Hood wrote: »

So was Stevie G . Raul was an Ateltico fan. Sure there's more too.
Have to put your career ahead of any of that stuff imo.

Rightly so. Their career in short. Retired by 35/40, and then they have to live the next 50 years forgotten about.
Will the loyal fans subsidise the wage or pay them when they retire.

The Moldy Gowl

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

i was knocking carragher for giving him **** in interviews recently. i dont think sterling should have been loyal isnt he a london lad?

Probably means loyal to the club/company.
Well to a certain extent.

DARK-KNIGHT

Cookiemunster wrote: »

That's a BS story. All free agents get a big signing on payment. If DDG does go on a free next season then he'll get the payment when he signs for them, not now.

imo we need to sell him now and buy a replacement asap, i hate the way this is being drawn out gk is prob the most important position we need stability going forward.

Giggsy_

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The draw has been made for the first round ties in the CL qualifiers. The winners of these ties will join Utd, Valencia, Sporting, Leverkusen and Lazio in the next round.

Panathinaikos V Club Brugge
Young Boys V Monaco
CSKA V Sparta Prague
Rapid Wien V Ajax
Fenerbahçe V Shakhtar Donetsk

I assume United, Valencia, Sporting, Leverkusen and Lazio are all seeded and we'll face one of the 5 winners from the above matches ?

Only team i would fancy playing are monaco and their notoriously stingy defence

The Moldy Gowl

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

imo we need to sell him now and buy a replacement asap, i hate the way this is being drawn out gk is prob the most important position we need stability going forward.

You're very knee jerky.

Toobz

I like the look of Leno.. Was great in the champs league and is very young.

bullvine

DARK-KNIGHT

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

You're very knee jerky.

nope not really just starting to turn on degea now. i cant help it tbh if i think players taking piss out of the club i generally will turn on them remember he was developed into a world class gk at united from a spotty teenager i would have thought he would have signed a contract for united to get a good price for him tbh

Rubber_Soul

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

i would have thought he would have signed a contract for united to get a good price for him tbh

If a player wants a move away from the club why would he put another potential barrier in the way of achieving that move?

bangkok

irishfeen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/621981247204671488

not finished yet!

in fairness, giggs did say a few weeks ago we were going to be getting a new spine to the team in the summer, centre back, midfielder and a new striker

akelly02

bullvine wrote: »

i have seen the titanic turning quicker than Jones there

DARK-KNIGHT

StarshipPooper wrote: »

If a player wants a move away from the club why would he put another potential barrier in the way of achieving that move?

what barrier? contracts mean little or nothing to madrid tbh they will buy who they want regardless of contract situation lets face it but it would have put united in a stronger position to negotiate and degea has been developed to the stature of a world class keeper. im just saying like suarez at pool he signed a contract even though we all knew he was being sold regardless

jayo26

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Rightly so. Their career in short. Retired by 35/40, and then they have to live the next 50 years forgotten about.
Will the loyal fans subsidise the wage or pay them when they retire.

I agree ive never had a problem with it as long as they have been respectful.

I also have no problem with the likes of Schmeichel and cole playing for city they are still loved by the club and fans i never see the problem liverpool have with owne joining us and stuff like that.

Your Airbag

Liverpool have meet Benteke's realesa clause of £32.5m.

NoviGlitzko

De Gea catching some sun when the ball goes in ha. Nice goal.

The Moldy Gowl

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

nope not really just starting to turn on degea now. i cant help it tbh if i think players taking piss out of the club i generally will turn on them remember he was developed into a world class gk at united from a spotty teenager i would have thought he would have signed a contract for united to get a good price for him tbh

But you're getting your anger or frustration on misinformation and misleading phrasing.
He was always going to get a signing on bonus, no matter what. The papers have phrased that so it looks like he is holding out to wait and get paid in some sort of bribery deal.
Saying he was made at the club is disengenious because who says he wouldn't have been better at any other club?

You say, if I think, but your basing this thinking on misinformation so it will always be biased as we have no idea what is going on, or what the club knows.
Lvg has no problem kicking people out re being disrespectful.

citytillidie

Giggsy_ wrote: »

I assume United, Valencia, Sporting, Leverkusen and Lazio are all seeded and we'll face one of the 5 winners from the above matches ?

Only team i would fancy playing are monaco and their notoriously stingy defence

Lazio and Sporting are not seeded yet depends on who wins 3rd round games.

If either Shakhtar Donetsk or Ajax don't win then Sporting will be seeded.

Lazio need both them and CSKA Moscow to lose to be seeded

Cookiemunster

Giggsy_ wrote: »

I assume United, Valencia, Sporting, Leverkusen and Lazio are all seeded and we'll face one of the 5 winners from the above matches ?

Only team i would fancy playing are monaco and their notoriously stingy defence

It'll be done on the UEFA coefficients of the 10 teams. Currently Valencia, Leverkusen, Utd, Lazio, Sporting in that order. Ajax and Shaktar are ranked above Lazio and Sporting so would push them out of the seeded teams if they qualify.

Rubber_Soul

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

what barrier? contracts mean little or nothing to madrid tbh they will buy who they want regardless of contract situation lets face it but it would have put united in a stronger position to negotiate

Exactly, it would have put Utd in a stronger negotiating position. If De Gea wants the move away from the club why would he want Utd to have a stronger negotiating position?

and degea has been developed to the stature of a world class keeper.

Utd didn't develop De Gea as a favour, they benefited from the arrangement too.

jayo26

Your Airbag wrote: »

Liverpool have meet Benteke's realesa clause of £32.5m.

Fair play to them i was listening to talksport this morning and the pool fans are mostly up in arms about this he is not at the same level of player they should be signing and dont fit rogers tica taca football.
I still would of liked him at united think he has a great future if handled right just feel that liverpool wont change the style to suit him where as if we did sign him he would be for a different tactic then the tactic that has rooney playing up front on his own if thst makes sense.

DARK-KNIGHT

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

But you're getting your anger or frustration on misinformation and misleading phrasing.
He was always going to get a signing on bonus, no matter what. The papers have phrased that so it looks like he is holding out to wait and get paid in some sort of bribery deal.
Saying he was made at the club is disengenious because who says he wouldn't have been better at any other club?

You say, if I think, but your basing this thinking on misinformation so it will always be biased as we have no idea what is going on, or what the club knows.
Lvg has no problem kicking people out re being disrespectful.

Your right I shouldn't be taking word of media.. I'll check Wikipedia instead 😂

adox

Lucas Hood wrote: »

So was Stevie G . Raul was an Ateltico fan. Sure there's more too.
Have to put your career ahead of any of that stuff imo.

Did any of them play for them though? He has a point. I always thought it must be a huge consideration for De Gea. Sure he gets to move back to his home city but would have all the hate from the Atleti fans.

Of course money and his career and the location are huge factors but I dont think the rivalry connection is any way similar to those players listed and is much more of a consideration for De Gea.

Also until the window is closed, I think he could move at any time.

The Moldy Gowl

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Your right I shouldn't be taking word of media.. I'll check Wikipedia instead 😂

....I used wiki for goals. If someone can't count to 10,5,8 and people are disputing it we are in trouble.
Not sure if sarcastic or not.......

Just be wary of the emotion that words conjure when the papers print them.
These guys know their way around a thesaurus so will use stronger words.

Fenix

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How much of Varane have you seen, because I would wager not a lot
In his whole career he has scored 8 goals, in 141 games. In 5 seasons.
Ehhh ya, technically you're right. He does scores goals. 8 in fact.
Smalling has 10, in 40 more games. Jones has 5 in 20 more games.

Utd do not need another young defender. Jones and Smalling are more than good enough to play the young learning defender role.

Just near in mind that familiarity breeds contempt.

Wager as you like, I've seen more than you've gleaned from Google!

Just my opinion, but Varane is already streets ahead of Jones and smalling, so I wouldn't call him the "young learning defender". I think he's a top defender now and will continue to be for the next 7/8 years at least.

Fair enough I said goal scoring, it was a positive attribute, not somthing you need to throw goals per game at!!

I just feel he's about as attainable as Ramos would be, and a more suitable target. Certainly not to learn, as an automatic starter.

homerjay2005

Cookiemunster wrote: »

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Panathinaikos V Club Brugge
Young Boys V Monaco
CSKA V Sparta Prague
Rapid Wien V Ajax
Fenerbahçe V Shakhtar Donetsk

those are the 5 teams i see us being potentially up against, no easy games though Monaco and Shakhtar are the teams to avoid obviously.

Pana, Cska and then Ajax would be my preferred option.

Fakman87

Spelling and punctuation has taken a nose dive in this thread.

It's painful to read at times.

magnumbud

Fakman87 wrote: »

Spelling and punctuation has taken a nose dive in this thread.

It's painful to read at times.

im really sorry we will try to improve



















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The Moldy Gowl

Fakman87 wrote: »

Spelling and punctuation has taken a nose dive in this thread.

It's painful to read at times.

*have

jayo26

Fakman87 wrote: »

Spelling and punctuation has taken a nose dive in this thread.

It's painful to read at times.

Im the biggest culprit I know that but I couldnt give a toss,
I come on here to read peoples views about united and to make my own points if i want to read perfect english ill buy a book.
Most of the time im typing on here its on a stupid mobile while doing a bit of work at same time i couldnt care less about punctuation.

citytillidie

homerjay2005 wrote: »

those are the 5 teams i see us being potentially up against, no easy games though Monaco and Shakhtar are the teams to avoid obviously.

Pana, Cska and then Ajax would be my preferred option.

Can't play Ajax as they will be seeded in play-off if they get there

The Moldy Gowl

Fakman87 wrote: »

Spelling and punctuation has taken a nose dive in this thread.

It's painful to read at times.

Can you give an example of poor punctuation, or spelling?