Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Post in OP 23/07

Trond

He can play left back as well if needed.

magnumbud

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

That would break the internet

its all very WWE :P the final nail is De Gea signing a new 5 year contract

bangkok

Trond wrote: »

He can play left back as well if needed.

yea but he wont. Shaw on the left, Darmian on the right is an exciting prospect, we will have good width to the team and good balance to the team as well

paulbok

magnumbud wrote: »

its all very WWE :P the final nail is De Gea signing a new 5 year contract

It would be WWE then,
Wet Wipes for Everyone :pac:

Maximus Alexander

Trond wrote: »

He can play left back as well if needed.

Not needed. :P

brinty

magnumbud wrote: »

its all very WWE :P the final nail is De Gea signing a new 5 year contract

Nope final nail is our ladies team being introduced and free b*****bs for all boardsies

Julez

magnumbud wrote: »

its all very WWE :P the final nail is De Gea signing a new 5 year contract

GSPfan

magnumbud wrote: »

maybe i dont know enough about muller but are we not there doing what we did with rooney when we had himself ronaldo and tevez where rooney was played out of position on the wing?

Yes Muller is fantastic as a striker but he is very good out wide too.

Rooney is quite terrible out wide.

keane2097

Muller is fantastic and definitely isn't an out and out striker who would be wasted elsewhere.

bangkok

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Not needed. :P

yep def not needed

Potential Underachiever

Can someone chuck up the squawka stats comparison with Valencia and Darmian, I expect that Darmian will have miles better stats.

bangkok

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Can someone chuck up the squawka stats comparison with Valencia and Darmian, I expect that Darmian will have miles better stats.

no point really. Darmian played with a mid table Italian team. Valencia played out of position for a top 4 side in England.

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Sure, price can come in to it in terms of risk assessment but your arguement really does seem to be "We wasted money before so lets not spend that amount again".

No, the argument is "We wasted money before so lets not waste money again".

The amount is relative. For example, I would perhaps spend €82m on Bale, who is probably just as attainable as Muller (ie: not very) and who addresses our needs better with in my opinion a much higher likelihood of success. But outside of Bale I think we would be far better served going for the likes of Depay, a lot cheaper and just as likely to produce for us.

I don't think Muller is in that category of top player, and personally the goal stats listed earlier don't impress me too much. Consistent they may be but averaging 13 goals a season isn't world class as far as I'm concerned, and certainly not worth €82m.

Giggsy11

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Can someone chuck up the squawka stats comparison with Valencia and Darmian, I expect that Darmian will have miles better stats.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#serie_a/2014/2015/matteo_darmian/137/137/3013/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/antonio_valencia/165/126/581/0/p#defence_score/tackles_won/tackles_lost/aerial_duels_won/aerial_duels_won_%/successful_take_ons/defensive_errors/pass_completion/key_passes/avg_pass_length/chances_created/clearances#90

just a quick one

irishfeen

https://twitter.com/skyfootball/status/618746441406771200

Trigger

This will be Brinty when signings are announced and the bewbs are in full flow :pac:

Giggsy11

Also if this deal is done then huge credit to Woodward and management team. Not a word from English media about our 2 signings, they were playing guessing game and the negotiations were done without much fuss.

Depay and Darmian, both deals were first reproted by Dutch and Italian media.

Potential Underachiever

Giggsy11 wrote: »

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#serie_a/2014/2015/matteo_darmian/137/137/3013/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/antonio_valencia/165/126/581/0/p#defence_score/tackles_won/tackles_lost/aerial_duels_won/aerial_duels_won_%/successful_take_ons/defensive_errors/pass_completion/key_passes/avg_pass_length/chances_created/clearances#90

just a quick one

Seems to be a downgrade.

Lovely Bloke

Credit to Woody? NOPE, he's a clown, better suited to commercial deals and noodles.

duffman13

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Seems to be a downgrade.

This is the time were a comparison won't work. According to who scored he's played the majority of last season in at DM.

I've no idea if he's good or not and a lot of people seem to rate him very highly however I wonder how much these people have seen of him.

A couple of games for Italy last year is all I've seen and I don't particularly remember him standing out. I'm very happy though to get another player in the door. Schneiderlin and Otamendi/Ramos before the tour and we will be in gifsville

KH25

The way I look at it is we're signing an actuall RB and won't have to rely on a winger to fill a gap any more.

Giggsy11

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Seems to be a downgrade.

Sometimes we have to see beyond stats. I have no idea how good Darmian is but positional **** ups are not recorded in stats.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Credit to Woody? NOPE, he's a clown, better suited to commercial deals and noodles.

Wait til Ed's fanbois get you.

Adamocovic

bucketybuck wrote: »

We have very different opinions then. You look at those prices and say "why not", I look at them and think "Why make that mistake again?".

I agree we have different opinions but I'm not looking at them and just thinking "why not?". The increase of prices for the best players in the world is due to the fact that football is so profitable now teams can afford to pay way more money on players. Like everything in the world with time prices and valuations change.

What do you mean by "Why make this mistake again?"?. Are you referring to Di Maria, he's only been here one season. Is it not a bit soon to call it a mistake? Even so there's no point looking at a player who did not do well and say "Well we paid X amount for him and look what happened, no point making that mistake again"

As people can give out about how much players are worth now it's just a result of inflation in the football industry, and unless salary caps and transfer cost caps are introduced there's no point giving out about the current valuation for the top tier players with long contracts to buy out.

bangkok wrote: »

He is a very good player just not €82m good imo.

top ten forwards in no particular order

Ronaldo
Messi
Benzema
Suarez
Neymar
Bale
Aguero
Rooney
Robben
Hazard

It's all to do with opinion here and it is similar to the list I would use (except for Muller :P).

Personally, and I know it's just my opinion and many disagree, if I had a choice of all of the above, with Muller included (rooney not since he is already here), I would want Muller in our team over Robben, Benzema, Bale and possibly even Suarez. And I know people will disagree with this and I'm not saying these players aren't world class just if I was giving the option of one of them or Muller I'd choose Muller. You can call my blinding or biased but I think he's proven he's can perform brilliantly even when his season is split into playing in 3-4 different positions, mentally I think he's very tough too, shows great passion and has awesome ability.

And now I feel sad as it is EXTREMELY unlikely he will join us.


Also (sorry for long post), has the club said anything on Darmian or just twitter and papers?

Mitch Connor

duffman13 wrote: »

This is the time were a comparison won't work. According to who scored he's played the majority of last season in at DM.

I've no idea if he's good or not and a lot of people seem to rate him very highly however I wonder how much these people have seen of him.

A couple of games for Italy last year is all I've seen and I don't particularly remember him standing out. I'm very happy though to get another player in the door. Schneiderlin and Otamendi/Ramos before the tour and we will be in gifsville

I think I remember him punishing Englands left side in the WC, but I also remember thinking it was cause Baines was being isolated defensively 2 vs 1 against whomever the wide player was and Darmian. Not saying it is a performance that stood out massively (as in we have to buy that guy!!) but I'm fairly sure it is the only time I'd have watched him at all.

duffman13

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think I remember him punishing Englands left side in the WC, but I also remember thinking it was cause Baines was being isolated defensively 2 vs 1 against whomever the wide player was and Darmian. Not saying it is a performance that stood out massively (as in we have to buy that guy!!) but I'm fairly sure it is the only time I'd have watched him at all.

Same boat as me so, has anyone seen him play right back for his club? Anyone got a link to a good player profile or anything?

Adamocovic

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, the argument is "We wasted money before so lets not waste money again".

The amount is relative. For example, I would perhaps spend €82m on Bale, who is probably just as attainable as Muller (ie: not very) and who addresses our needs better with in my opinion a much higher likelihood of success. But outside of Bale I think we would be far better served going for the likes of Depay, a lot cheaper and just as likely to produce for us.

I don't think Muller is in that category of top player, and personally the goal stats listed earlier don't impress me too much. Consistent they may be but averaging 13 goals a season isn't world class as far as I'm concerned, and certainly not worth €82m.

Well the 13 goals a season was in Bundesliga, and 10 assists, where he normally plays 10 games a season in CF and then games at CAM, RM, RWF, even LM and CM.

To be so consistent while playing in a huge amount of positions is extremely impressive. BUt stats are stats and the way he plays is important too. I've rarely see him have a bad game.

Your Airbag

Interesting (if true)

NOTICIA @partidodelas12: El Real Madrid va a fichar a KIKO CASILLA por 3 millones de euros.

Translation: Madrid on the verge of signing Espanyol keeper Kiko Casilla.

https://twitter.com/partidodelas12/status/618540778512621568?s=09

brinty

Adamocovic wrote: »

Well the 13 goals a season was in Bundesliga, and 10 assists, where he normally plays 10 games a season in CF and then games at CAM, RM, RWF, even LM and CM.

To be so consistent while playing in a huge amount of positions is extremely impressive. BUt stats are stats and the way he plays is important too. I've rarely see him have a bad game.

I'd love a player with the above attributes..
We've not had a midfielder/ attacker scoring like that since the heady days of 2008 - 2011

Rooney and van persie I think have been the only players to get in excess of those figures over 2/3 seasons???

Whens the last time we'd a MF scoring 10+ goals a season?? Scholes I'll say, but no one else

Your MF should be getting 5-10 each a year, Attacking players 10+ at least and ST 20+...

We've had a lot of trouble hitting the onion sack since fergie left...

Lucas Hood

Your Airbag wrote: »

Interesting (if true)



Translation: Madrid on the verge of signing Espanyol keeper Kiko Casilla.

Probably just resigning him to make a few more quid.

RobertKK

Thomas Muller at 25 years of age, and his Bundesliga record:
121 goals in 304 games.

For Germany:
27 goals in 63 games.

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Personal awards:
FIFA world cup 2010: young player of the tournament
FIFA world cup 2010: Golden boot winner.
FIFA world cup 2010: Most assists.
World soccer young player of the year 2010.
5th in last year's Ballon d'Or list.
Silver boot at last years world cup.
Silver ball winner at the 2014 world cup (voted as 2nd best player behind Messi)
Made the dream team and the all star team of the 2014 world cup
Shares record with two other players for player to score at least five goals per world cup (2010, 2014)

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Rooney:
185 goals in 407 premier league games

One can argue different leagues, so internationally:
48 goals in 105 games.

If you compare their strike rate on the international level, they are fairly even though Muller doesn't usually play as striker.

So in the Ballon dor Muller was in the list of the top 5 best players last year,

Cookiemunster

https://twitter.com/OmldZamani/status/618749464505909248/photo/1

irishfeen

Anyone speak Italian to translate that??

MagicIRL

Fair play to this Omid Zamani kid. He's some journalism student according to his Twitter, but he stuck to his guns regarding the transfer every step of the way, even when Sky Italia and Sky UK were mistranslating nonsense.

Lucas Hood

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The day has come, after 3 years fantastic leave Turin. Wonderful three years where I learned to play, have fun and I learned above all to live! It is thanks to my teammates and my fans who have become so, a player tried from all over Europe, is only about you and Mr. Ventura, more than a coach to me, the second father. Right now I have no words, I'm just crying. Remember that I leave Turin for a future career choice, not because I am evil. Turin will always be my second home, I never tire of her. I do a good luck to all the team and the fans.
This is not a goodbye but a see you. In these three years we went back to A, we won against Juventus after 20 years and we are back in the so-called Europe League. I think to go away with a clear conscience affixed, at least I hope so. My I did for this team, I gave all of my heart and my soul. It was an honor to play for Torino and also be in a few games the captain! I think the love I gave to this city, will be returned in a few parts. Thanks for everything Turin!
Matteo Darmian

keane2097

This portrayal of di Maria as some sort of unmitigated disaster of a failed transfer after one (moderately successful) season is just dummy out of mouth stuff.

Larry Wildman would be nodding in agreement.

Roquentin

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GK

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Darmian--CB--Smalling --Shaw

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Blind

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Herrera

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Schiniderlin
ADM

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Depay

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Rooney

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magnumbud

Roquentin wrote: »

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GK

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Darmian--CB--Smalling --Shaw

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Blind

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Herrera

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Schiniderlin
ADM

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Depay

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Rooney

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MagicIRL

Roquentin wrote: »

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GK

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Darmian--CB--Smalling --Shaw

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Blind

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Herrera

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Schiniderlin
ADM

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Depay

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Rooney

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GK
Darmian - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Schneiderlin
Herrera - ADM
Mata - Rooney - Depay

Giggsy11

Cookiemunster wrote: »

https://twitter.com/OmldZamani/status/618749464505909248/photo/1

Lucas Hood wrote: »

.

I thought that was from fake instagram account.

RobertKK

Di Maria started off great, got injured, got burgled, got dropped. I still love him as a player.

But it is getting harder to see where he fits in the team if we buy two midfielders.

Don't think Van Gaal wants him in the front three, and that is why we are looking for someone like Muller (which is likely to be an impossible signing to make) and we have Mata for there.

It could be like the De Gea situation.
De Gea and we get to Ramos.
Di Maria and we get to sign Muller.
and if either sides disagrees, then player stays.

I think Muller would suit United and what Van Gaal wants better than Di Maria does.

irishfeen

.. Two boys on a day out

https://twitter.com/danroan/status/618758288830824448

Maximus Alexander

keane2097 wrote: »

This portrayal of di Maria as some sort of unmitigated disaster of a failed transfer after one (moderately successful) season is just dummy out of mouth stuff.

Larry Wildman would be nodding in agreement.

Ah good old Larry Bateman.

Roquentin

MagicIRL wrote: »

GK
Darmian - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Schneiderlin
Herrera - ADM
Mata - Rooney - Depay

i like that as well.

i think he will have the luxury of switching it around. 3-5-2 as well

bucketybuck

Adamocovic wrote: »

What do you mean by "Why make this mistake again?"?. Are you referring to Di Maria, he's only been here one season. Is it not a bit soon to call it a mistake? Even so there's no point looking at a player who did not do well and say "Well we paid X amount for him and look what happened, no point making that mistake again"

Well for me it isn't just one player, its Di Maria, Shevchenko, Torres, Veron, Kaka, Ozil, Falcao, Hulk, Robinho, and many many more. Football is littered with examples of great players who moved for massive money and frankly turned out to just not be worth it.

For every Zidane proving to be worth every penny, there are far more Torres' who cost tens of millions and did no better than a Loric Remy or Demba Ba would have done. For a hell of a lot of big money signings hindsight would show that the money would have been far better spent elsewhere. Take last season, you cannot tell me we would have been worse off had we passed on Di Maria and Falcao, saved £60m and instead just kept Nani and Wellbeck. Would our season have went much differently? Hell, it would probably have went better. That doesn't mean Di Maria and Falcao weren't the more taleneted pair, it just means that once again it simply wasn't worth the big investment for some marginal gains.

I'm not saying the big investment is never the right choice, clearly the likes of Ferdinand and Ronaldo and Rooney have shown that often it is the right choice to spend whatever it takes to get the man. But it should be the exception rather than the rule, and I don't think Di Maria was worth the exception, and I don't think Muller would be either.

v3ttel

GSPfan wrote: »

Love the fact that people here think United have no idea what they are doing when it comes to money.

People moaning about paying too much or bidding too little. I think the men and women in Uniteds board room know exactly what they are doing when it comes to money.

You are a consumer and Manchester United is a business. Were you bothered by the amount Facebook paid for WhatsApp? Were you bothered by the amount Disney paid for Pixar?

If United want to buy Muller i'm on board at any price. I really don't care as long as he is in a United shirt winning games.

I agree with the sentiment - to a point, but the example is a bad one.

We're all here talking about Manchester United and care what happens to the club and have some level of emotional attachment.

If Facebook/WhatsApp/Disney or 99% of the other organisations in the world went bust, it either wouldn't bothered me, or I'd get over it. For that 1%, I would see making good decisions (financially or otherwise) as quite important for long term success.

To take it to the extreme, if United went out and paid £100m for Sergio Ramos, do you think that our fans would just say, "fine so, don't care what we pay"

I doubt it.

brinty

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Ah good old Larry Bateman.

I miss oul Larry Wildman

MagicIRL

We know it's a done deal anyway, but http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33443438

Also, didn't realise there was an official bid for ol' Morgan http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33415617

TheDoc

MagicIRL wrote: »

We know it's a done deal anyway, but http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33443438

Also, didn't realise there was an official bid for ol' Morgan http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33415617

Yeah Koeman said first that a bid was received that the club did not feel was serious so was rejected.

He then in a presser in last few days said United had made a bid two weeks ago that did not meet their evaluation of the player

I wouldn't be taken for a spin by Southampton for Scheiderlan, we gave them over the odds, way over the odds, for a crocked piece of **** last year.

irishfeen

TheDoc wrote: »

I wouldn't be taken for a spin by Southampton for Scheiderlan, we gave them over the odds, way over the odds, for a crocked piece of **** last year.

Huh? WTF?