Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Post in OP 23/07

gosplan

astradave wrote: »

Yep, and FutureGuy called and said it won't be you

Woot! Thanks futureguy!

RobertKK

Morgan Schneiderlin...

Last season in PL
Played the first 13 games for Southampton: 8 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses
Misses next 4 games: 1 win and 3 losses.
Returns and wins next 2 games.
Then suspended but they win without him.
Returns and beats United.
Injured and misses next two game:1 win, 1 loss.
Returns and team wins.
Not in the squad for next game: draw
Plays next 9 games: wins 3, draws 2, loss 4.
Then injured and not played again: 1 win, 3 loss

So when he played:
15 wins, 4 draws, 7 loss
49 points in 26 games, average 1.88 points per game.

When he didn't play
4 wins, 1 draw, 7 loss.
13 points in 12 games, average 0.92 points per game.

Morgan Schneiderlin was a key player for Southampton.
18 games were in defensive midfield.
8 games in centre midfield.

gosplan

RobertKK wrote: »

Morgan Schneiderlin...

Last season in PL
Played the first 13 games for Southampton: 8 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses
Misses next 4 games: 1 win and 3 losses.
Returns and wins next 2 games.
Then suspended but they win without him.
Returns and beats United.
Injured and misses next two game:1 win, 1 loss.
Returns and team wins.
Not in the squad for next game: draw
Plays next 9 games: wins 3, draws 2, loss 4.
Then injured and not played again: 1 win, 3 loss

So when he played:
15 wins, 4 draws, 7 loss
49 points in 26 games, average 1.88 points per game.

When he didn't play
4 wins, 1 draw, 7 loss.
13 points in 12 games, average 0.92 points per game.

Morgan Schneiderlin was a key player for Southampton.
18 games were in defensive midfield.
8 games in centre midfield.

I am not questioning whether or not he has the ability to be a key player for Southampton.

ScummyMan

I think what we can learn from this is even more proof that the English journos don't know jack sh!t anymore. Another transfer out of the blue which was broken first abroad, with no sign of the players the English media are constantly linking us with. I wouldn't pay much heed to anything the likes of Jamie Jackson say anymore.

RobertKK

zerks wrote: »

The 'net is going nuts with United stories today.

https://twitter.com/SocialRMadrid/status/619818065480544256

Either COPE or El Confidential had that story yesterday. Now Marca running with it.
Keylor Navas would be an excellent signing, and most of us would love Ramos...

Whoever bought Ed a PS4 back in 2013 thank you, playing FIFA is working :P I always bought Schweinsteiger.

JamboMac

jayo26 wrote: »

Dont agree with you on cb, fergie signed two of the up and coming english defenders to come in after rio and vidic were done who were also two of the best cb pairings available a few year ago.
Its not fergies fault jones and smalling have been crippled by injuries in the past 2 seasons or they havent came on the way we would of like. People are too quick to jump on thenlets blame fergie bandwagon yehh he didnt leave midfield in the best of conditions but he left the club in a far better state then he got it and that should bever be overlooked.

Jones isn't crippled by injuries, he's mentally crippled.

RobertKK

gosplan wrote: »

I am not questioning whether or not he has the ability to be a key player for Southampton.

Sure look, where was Real Madrid when Southampton had Gareth Bale?
United were interested but were not aggressive enough to get him.

Copper_pipe

https://twitter.com/Ordnances/status/619799361720045568

The Moldy Gowl

JamboMac wrote: »

Jones isn't crippled by injuries, he's mentally crippled.

No he isn't. He is one of the top young defenders.

Kerrydude1981

Just talking about the move on SSN,

Hayley is excited

gosplan

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

No he isn't. He is one of the top young defenders.

That reminds me. I had the same argument in this thread when you signed Jones.

People in here were calling him 'te best young defender in the world'.

I disagreed.

jayo26

JamboMac wrote: »

Jones isn't crippled by injuries, he's mentally crippled.

It is discusting comments like this that makes up throlls, there is no place for people like you in a decent thread. Go find your rock and get back in under it.

JamboMac

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

No he isn't. He is one of the top young defenders.

If you look at any of the great defenders, cannavaro, maldini, Stam and so on they are intelligent. His positioning is terrible and chases the ball like a jack Russell.

pmasterson95

Whats this crap about Schneiderlin being ****. Guess people are hungover to spew that.

UnitedIrishman

gosplan wrote: »

That reminds me. I had the same argument in this thread when you signed Jones.

People in here were calling him 'te best young defender in the world'.

I disagreed.

Well fair play to you.

RobertKK

United are so clever, thinking of shirt sales and length of names.

You don't put Depay on your shirt, you put Memphis.
Rafael had only 6 letters, for right back so we had to use Valencia, but we needed an upgrade so Darmian has enough letters.
Otamendi is nailed on with 8 letters..
Schweinsteiger takes the prize and you partner him with Schneiderlin, extra orders of S, C, H, N along with E and I required for United.

Long names increasing shirt revenues...

magnumbud

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Whats this crap about Schneiderlin being ****. Guess people are hungover to spew that.

well the person saying it probably wouldnt be saying it if he signed for arsenal

UnitedIrishman

JamboMac wrote: »

If you look at any of the great defenders, cannavaro, maldini, Stam and so on they are intelligent. His positioning is terrible and chases the ball like a jack Russell.

Don't see the need to compare him with all time great CB's when he's just a kid yet. At 23 Jaap Stan was still playing for SC Cambuur in Holland by the way.

Don't know if it's part of it, but really hate the way the modern fan expects everything now. No time to develop, it has to happen now and that's it. And if not then the player is sh*te

brinty

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Just talking about the move on SSN,

Hayley is excited

If Hayley is excited
It's so on
God bless Hayley

The Moldy Gowl

JamboMac wrote: »

If you look at any of the great defenders, cannavaro, maldini, Stam and so on they are intelligent. His positioning is terrible and chases the ball like a jack Russell.

I know right. Let's compare every single player to the best players.

He is one of the best young defender in Europe right now. He is 23.

For some reason when anyone other than a young defender makes a mistake, he is learning, he is young, bla bla.
But not defenders.

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

Freak my **** if we got him

I Presume Doc has started to Freak his **** :pac:

The Moldy Gowl

gosplan wrote: »

That reminds me. I had the same argument in this thread when you signed Jones.

People in here were calling him 'te best young defender in the world'.

I disagreed.

Good for you.

Football visionary. You have revolutionised the world by not watching a match, by actually watching it.

RobertKK

Tobi Schweinsteiger is so happy, a fan of United, now he can get the best seats at Old Trafford.

Trigger

Sad to see this fella go.. thats it practically confirmed now

https://twitter.com/ChampionsLeague/status/619832740121313284

Giggsy11

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I know right. Let's compare every single player to the best players.

He is one of the best young defender in Europe right now. He is 23.

For some reason when anyone other than a young defender makes a mistake, he is learning, he is young, bla bla.
But not defenders.

Best example is Varane. People who never watched him say he is the best young CB and near perfect but he makes so many mistakes when not playing with experienced CB.

JamboMac

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Don't see the need to compare him with all time great CB's when he's just a kid yet. At 23 Jaap Stan was still playing for SC Cambuur in Holland by the way.

Don't know if it's part of it, but really hate the way the modern fan expects everything now. No time to develop, it has to happen now and that's it. And if not then the player is sh*te

But I can see a massive difference between smalling and Jones, Smalling has intelligence and plays more with his brain which is what good defenders need, I know some people dislike Johnny Evans but I think him and smalling will be better Cb and young paddy McNair learning his trade.

Just don't see Jones ever getting there.

The Moldy Gowl

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Best example is Varane. People who never watched him say he is the best young CB and near perfect but he makes so many mistakes when not playing with experienced CB.

Exactly. Apparently to a lot of people all these players are near perfect. Guess it's easy to read the positive hype on the internet and just believe it.

I mentioned it before, but the more you see of a player, the worse he is and vice versa.

adox

JamboMac wrote: »

But I can see a massive difference between smalling and Jones, Smalling has intelligence and plays more with his brain which is what good defenders need, I know some people dislike Johnny Evans but I think him and smalling will be better Cb and young paddy McNair learning his trade.

Just don't see Jones ever getting there.

Smalling is a different type of defender to Jones. He also gets caught out of position as much as, if not more than Jones.

I think they compliment each other very well as a partnership ala Rio Vidic, Bruce Pallister, although obviously not at that level.

It's their horrendous injury records and possibly lack of lead ship skills at the back that has Utd crying out for an experienced CB.

gosplan

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Whats this crap about Schneiderlin being ****. Guess people are hungover to spew that.

It's not people, it's person - me.

I never said he was ****.

Strangely enough I don't base my opinions of a player on how much I had to drink last night.

Revolutionary, I know.

brinty

Jones is the new Nani now is he now Nani has departed????
Christ some people are never happy
Jones when played in 1 position has improved game on game
But shifting him to RB,CB and cm for club and country does t help his development
Smalling has mostly played at CB and so develops the positional sense etc
If Jones had the same time at CB as Snalling hed blow Smalling out of the water

dahat

brinty wrote: »

If Hayley is excited
It's so on
God bless Hayley

An excited Hayley....ooohhhhh baby....

RobertKK

Rooney: 'whatever you say, Schweini, give me a hand...'

pmasterson95

gosplan wrote: »

It's not people, it's person - me.

I never said he was ****.

Strangely enough I don't base my opinions of a player on how much I had to drink last night.

Revolutionary, I know.

Well you dont seem to base it off anything really

The Moldy Gowl

gosplan wrote: »

It's not people, it's person - me.

I never said he was ****.

Strangely enough I don't base my opinions of a player on how much I had to drink last night.

Revolutionary, I know.

Only on how much you currently have had to drink?

brinty

RobertKK wrote: »

Rooney: 'whatever you say, Schweini, give me a hand...'

I'm gonna take your captains armband soon bitch...
God bless Schweini

adox

RobertKK wrote: »

Rooney: 'whatever you say, Schweini, give me a hand...'

Reminds me of what a pathetic dive it was from Rooney.

Winston Payne

adox wrote: »

Smalling is a different type of defender to Jones. He also gets caught out of position as much as, if not more than Jones.

Disagree with this very strongly. Smalling's positioning is pretty strong, he was the one marshaling our offside trap last season and doing it well. You very rarely see Smalling in a bad position to cover, and given Valencia's foibles last season that was badly needed. I also think he and Jones don't mesh well because Jones doesn't mesh that well with anybody to be honest. Jones comes way too far out towards the ball, it leaves a huge gap for other defenders to cover, or the midfield is pulled back, either deep or out of shape. He isn't even that good at winning it first time anymore.


I don't think Smalling will be as good as Ferdinand or Vidic but see no reason why he can't be as good as Pallister or Johnsen.

brinty

Schweini latest coming up on SSN

Giggsy11

Rumored wages for Schweinsteiger is 10 Million Euros (IIRC Bayern wages are before tax), so that's 7 million pounds, less than what Milner is getting at Liverpool. Nothing like Falcao deal.

FutureGuy

brinty wrote: »

Schweini latest coming up on SSN

Breaking news. We are not signing Bastian Schweinstiger.

More on this breaking story as it emerges.

Boobs.

UnitedIrishman

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Exactly. Apparently to a lot of people all these players are near perfect. Guess it's easy to read the positive hype on the internet and just believe it.

I mentioned it before, but the more you see of a player, the worse he is and vice versa.

Must say, I'd nearly be as well to employ you to give my opinion on things Gowl.

brinty

Bayern having a press conference right now
Hayley very excited
Looks like signing agreed fee and personal terms all that's left

Cantona's Collars

astradave wrote: »

Really? Ivanovich was knocked out in the second round so i presumed he had gone back to Munich

Seems like they hung around.


https://twitter.com/ChampionsLeague/status/619832740121313284

ElChe32

Lads been at a wedding for the past two days with feck all WiFi are we really signing Schweinsteiger?!? (It's my bday today...best present ever!)

gosplan

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Only on how much you currently have had to drink?

Nah, the buckfast breakfast has nothing to do with it. Just my opinion of the player having weighed up everything.

Very good, competent but overrated. Great for most teams but Utd will probably need better long run. Great squad option.

Cantona's Collars

ElChe32 wrote: »

Lads been at a wedding for the past two days with feck all WiFi are we really signing Schweinsteiger?!? (It's my bday today...best present ever!)

Sky Sports Germany just reported it as a "done deal".

https://twitter.com/FourFourTheo/status/619838111095357440

brinty

ElChe32 wrote: »

Lads been at a wedding for the past two days with feck all WiFi are we really signing Schweinsteiger?!? (It's my bday today...best present ever!)

Did you no catch FutureGuys breaking news
Said no deal....
😜

jayo26

zerks wrote: »

Seems like they hung around.


https://twitter.com/ChampionsLeague/status/619832740121313284

I think she was still in the doubles.

adox

gosplan wrote: »

Nah, the buckfast breakfast has nothing to do with it. Just my opinion of the player having weighed up everything.

Very good, competent but overrated. Great for most teams but Utd will probably need better long run. Great squad option.

You keep saying a great squad option, but that's a moot point as everyone knows if Utd do sign him it will be as a starting player.

The Moldy Gowl

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Must say, I'd nearly be as well to employ you to give my opinion on things Gowl.

I'll take payment in cans and chicken rolls.