Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Post in OP 23/07

ScummyMan

bangkok wrote: »

di maria is class but if we signed Cavani and Ramos he would quickly be forgotten about. we would have an unbelievable squad if we got those 2

I'd have Di Maria any day of the week ahead of Cavani.

bangkok

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Cavani I just dont know.

I still think he is overrated.

Am I being harsh?

I think so.. he is a quality player, playing 2nd fiddle to zlatan and he still managed to score 31 goals last season, season before that 25.

year before that playing in Italy he scored 38 goals, before that 33 and before that 33. he is quality


ask yourself this, a lot of people hear saying we should go for Lacazette. if the choice is Lacazette or Cavani, you go for Cavani all day long. He has the physicality to play in the premir league as well.

Would be a class signing

The_Kew_Tour

I would be gutted to lose Di Maria.

But if he does want to leave aint much we can do but sell at big price.

But if they gave 60m now I say no

bangkok

py2006 wrote: »

I have this thing in my head about South American players just not adapting to English football

like sanchez, suarez and tevez?

The_Kew_Tour

bangkok wrote: »

I think so.. he is a quality player, playing 2nd fiddle to zlatan and he still managed to score 31 goals last season, season before that 25.

year before that playing in Italy he scored 38 goals, before that 33 and before that 33. he is quality


ask yourself this, a lot of people hear saying we should go for Lacazette. if the choice is Lacazette or Cavani, you go for Cavani all day long. He has the physicality to play in the premir league as well.

Would be a class signing

Thats a fair argument.

Tbf I have not watched him enough to make a solid claim but for club or country when I have he not been as good as I hoped. But again maybe not watched him enough.

The Moldy Gowl

bangkok wrote: »

yep...

nani
bebe
guillem balague
welbeck
david luiz
de gea
choo choo
fergie
tactics
bull****
kate upton gifs
Rachel riley gifs
stupid gifs
Liverpool
fellaini
fantasy 11's

Let's talk about our feelings instead? How are we all feeling today?

The Moldy Gowl

py2006 wrote: »

I have this thing in my head about South American players just not adapting to English football

I have this thing in my head that women are crazy.
Does that make my generalisation true?

bucketybuck

ScummyMan wrote: »

I'd have Di Maria any day of the week ahead of Cavani.

Was never a fan of Cavani, always felt he needed to get that finger out of his ass.

stephenl15

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I have this thing in my head that women are crazy.
Does that make my generalisation true?

In fairness I can't think of many South Americans adapting quickly in the PL.. Juninho, Asprilla?? I'm probably wrong and theres loads :P

Claude Burgundy

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I have this thing in my head that women are crazy.
Does that make my generalisation true?

Yes, yes it does !

py2006

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I have this thing in my head that women are crazy.
Does that make my generalisation true?

It kinda does...

Pro. F

py2006 wrote: »

I have this thing in my head about South American players just not adapting to English football

If you change that statement slightly, by saying "settling in England" rather than "adapting to England", you might be right. I'm probably forgetting some very obvious examples, but I can't think of many big name players who spent their peak years settled at an English club.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Kun Aguero

Pro. F

MrMac84 wrote: »

Kun Aguero

Bam!

The list has begun.

Edit: Gilberto Silva is another.

RichFTW

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Indeed. But until there is verified facts, prepare or me to take aim at tabloid nonsense.

And the thread wouldn't be dead. We have always found crap to talk about when not shooting down tabloids.

Apparently it's not possible to measure a defenders worth either so can't compare any players any more as well.

Just have to settle for the multi-quote arguments and individual tantrums developed out of BS click bait articles.

Conbhar

Gilberto Silva for Arsenal

Pro. F

Conbhar wrote: »

Gilberto Silva for Arsenal

You're like a whole minute too late with that one.

TheDoc

Pro. F wrote: »

Bam!

The list has begun.

Edit: Gilberto Silva is another.

Aguero
Gilberto Silva
Esteban Cambiasso
Gabriel Heinze
Pablo Zabaletta
Alexis Sanchez

RobertKK

Otamendi to sign in the next two weeks is today's rumour on Nicolas.

stephenl15

TheDoc wrote: »

Aguero
Gilberto Silva
Esteban Cambiasso
Gabriel Heinze
Pablo Zabaletta
Alexis Sanchez

Tevez, mascherano

Hococop

RobertKK wrote: »

Otamendi to sign in the next two weeks is today's rumour on Nicolas.

And if he doesn't sign by then, they will say we actually meant the following two weeks ha

Is there actually a realistic chance of getting Ramos? All the intial talk of him was quite exciting but there's been absolutely no (public) movement since?

Was the whole thing bull****, and even if it wasn't is there any chance Madrid would sell?

RichFTW

TheDoc wrote: »

Aguero
Gilberto Silva
Esteban Cambiasso
Gabriel Heinze
Pablo Zabaletta
Alexis Sanchez

Juninho, Poyet.

Edit: Not exactly huge names but still decent players.

The Moldy Gowl

Rafeal.
Willian.
Fernando
Fernandinho.
Oscar.
Valencia.
Chico.


Do we just remember the really bad ones more?kleberson for example?

bucketybuck

Oscar and Coutinho aren't doing too bad. Tevez and Mascharano settled in ok.

Then there are a ton of lesser players who still performed to their level in England.

bangkok

our very own Antonio Valencia, Solano at newcastle

RobertKK

Ernesto Juicy Popgun wrote: »

Is there actually a realistic chance of getting Ramos? All the intial talk of him was quite exciting but there's been absolutely no (public) movement since?

Was the whole thing bull****, and even if it wasn't is there any chance Madrid would sell?

Madrid are reported to have put a €90 million price tag on his head to stave off United.
It will be very difficult to sign him, Ramos will need to be more proactive to force a deal. €4m to €5 million a year extra after tax at stake for Ramos according to rumours on his pay/proposed pay.
The incentive might help make it happen. But at the moment hard to know, wouldn't be putting my money on any outcome.

Conbhar

Pro. F wrote: »

You're like a whole minute too late with that one.

A few minutes late me thinks.

Lucas Hood

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Rafeal.
Willian.
Fernando
Fernandinho.
Oscar.
Valencia.
Chico.


Do we just remember the really bad ones more?kleberson for example?

Mexico is North America.

stephenl15

Is there an argument for Lucas Leiva to be one of the better ones?

Sirsok

MrMac84 wrote: »

Kun Aguero

Faistino Asprilla and Juan Pablo Angel?

The Moldy Gowl

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Mexico is North America.

Central.

Still culturally more south than north.

stephenl15

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Central.

Still culturally more south than north.

It's North

Pro. F

stephenl15 wrote: »

Tevez, mascherano

You couldn't describe Tevez's time in England as "settled", so he wouldn't fit what I was talking about. But he'd fit the "adapting to English football" question that py2006 initially asked.

Maschersno maybe counts, he was definitely playing in the peak of his career. But he only stayed at Liverpool for three and a half seasons before moving to Spain, so I'm not sure if that counts as him being settled at an English club.

TheDoc wrote: »

Aguero
Gilberto Silva
Esteban Cambiasso
Gabriel Heinze
Pablo Zabaletta
Alexis Sanchez

Zabaletta I agree, to add to Aguero and Gilberto Silva.

Cambiasso only came to the league at 34; Heinze wasn't a big name and didn't stay long and Sanchez has only been there one season yet - so they wouldn't count for the (slightly arbitrary) parameters I was talking about.

Lucas Hood

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Central.

Still culturally more south than north.

It's definitely north.

TheDoc

Pro. F wrote: »

No way you could describe Tevez's time in England as "settled".

Maschersno maybe counts, he was definitely playing in the peak of his career. But he only stayed at Liverpool for three and a half seasons before moving to Spain, so I'm not sure if that counts as him being settled at an English club.



Zabaletta I agree, to add to Aguero and Gilberto Silva.

Cambiasso only came to the league at 34; Heinze wasn't a big name and didn't stay long and Sanchez has only been there one season yet - so they wouldn't count for the (slightly arbitrary) parameters I was talking about.

Thats fair enough, to me they settled quickly and hit the ground running, thought that is what it was about. If its about consistency over a period then yeah they might not be included.

Although Heinze was excellent from the get go, until he started to be slowly replaced by Evra.

If its players who have come from that geographic and performed at the high level consistently for a period, gonna be a short list :0

And that list definitly doesn't contain Oscar, Willian or Coutinho

I'm eagerly waiting Bangkok to post Luiz...

The Moldy Gowl

It can be as far north as the North Pole but Mexico is far closer culturally to Argentina etc than USA.

Just like we are in Europe and more culturally the same to the English than the spainish are.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

Madrid are reported to have put a €90 million price tag on his head to stave off United.
It will be very difficult to sign him, Ramos will need to be more proactive to force a deal. €4m to €5 million a year extra after tax at stake for Ramos according to rumours on his pay/proposed pay.
The incentive might help make it happen. But at the moment hard to know, wouldn't be putting my money on any outcome.

Yeah makes sense, cheers.

stephenl15

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

It can be as far north as the North Pole but Mexico is far closer culturally to Argentina etc than USA.

Just like we are in Europe and more culturally the same to the English than the spainish are.

Yes but geographically speaking it's North America

Lucas Hood

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

It can be as far north as the North Pole but Mexico is far closer culturally to Argentina etc than USA.

Just like we are in Europe and more culturally the same to the English than the spainish are.

It's about South American players settling into the premier league Javier Hernandez is from Mexico which is in North America.


You can argue all you want you are wrong.

stephenl15

Lucas Hood wrote: »

It's about South American players settling into the premier league Javier Hernandez is from Mexico which is in North America.


You can argue all you want you are wrong.

Culturally speaking he has a point

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

Thats fair enough, to me they settled quickly and hit the ground running, thought that is what it was about. If its about consistency over a period then yeah they might not be included.

Although Heinze was excellent from the get go, until he started to be slowly replaced by Evra.

If its players who have come from that geographic and performed at the high level consistently for a period, gonna be a short list :0

And that list definitly doesn't contain Oscar, Willian or Coutinho

I'm eagerly waiting Bangkok to post Luiz...

ha actually forgot about him.

fa cup
champions league
Europa league
143 games for Chelsea 12 goals
sold for 50m

he was a success story no doubt about it

Maximus Alexander

Lucas Hood wrote: »

It's about South American players settling into the premier league Javier Hernandez is from Mexico which is in North America.


You can argue all you want you are wrong.

If you're talking about settling into a new country, then culture is relevant. It would be silly to compare a Mexican player with a US American moving to the UK, rather than a Colombian.

Lucas Hood

stephenl15 wrote: »

Culturally speaking he has a point

Everyone else was speaking geographically not culturally.

jayo26

homerjay2005 wrote: »

with Casillas gone, what do real have left?

i dont think they can afford to wait a year...if we dont sell now, i think they have to sign somebody else no?

They have navas

But this has turned into a trickey one amd the only way madrid csn come out of it as a winner is to sign him next year on a free.

Madrid bid 13 million if we are to go by marca and other tabloids.
we refused to even talk about it unless they get ramos who is now their captain by default.
If madrid try pay 30 million now for de gea they will look very weak compaired to united. If they sell ramos thry might face backlash but also getting rid of himso they can get a player in last year of his contract is not goodlooking either.

Perez has really ****ed this up in my opinion and either scenario works best for united.

bangkok

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

It can be as far north as the North Pole but Mexico is far closer culturally to Argentina etc than USA.

Just like we are in Europe and more culturally the same to the English than the spainish are.

have you ever been to mexico or argentina?

The Moldy Gowl

Lucas Hood wrote: »

It's about South American players settling into the premier league Javier Hernandez is from Mexico which is in North America.


You can argue all you want you are wrong.

I may be geographically wrong but a map is a set of arbritary lines and cultures transcends these lines.
Since we are European, are we the same as the Italians or the English?

Getting used to taking naps in the middle of the day is hard.

pmasterson95

Is this an AH thread or the United thread? Culture vs. Geography. Without daily signings **** gets weird

The Moldy Gowl

bangkok wrote: »

have you ever been to mexico or argentina?

Tijuana when I was a young gowl. Have you? Based on even the most American Mexican town, they have vastly different cultures.
Basing this off tv documentaries and general knowledge, so no, I guess I can't say I'm an authority on the issue.
I have lived In Spain and Italy though.

hogandrew

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I may be geographically wrong but a map is a set of arbritary lines and cultures transcends these lines.
Since we are European, are we the same as the Italians or the English?

Getting used to taking naps in the middle of the day is hard.

But then should Italians, Portuguese and Spanish be included?