UFC 189 - McGregor v Mendes *READ MOD WARNING IN 1st POST*

Ken Shamrock

Saipanne wrote: »

The net effect of which was to wear himself out while McGregor didn't seem "wore out" at all.

Good strategy.

He wore himself out yeah, factor in those body kicks and a 2 week camp of course he's gonna be worn out. He knew he had 2 or 3 rounds In him and that was It, he went all out on that submission and It backfired.

Are you trying to say taking McGregor down 4 times, controlling him and damaging him was a bad strategy? What Is his alternative? Trade blows with Mcgregor? Yeah cause that's great strategy there...:rolleyes:

walshb

I felt that Mendes was using those takedowns out of pure desperation, and when he got them he didn't have the intensity/energy to work on Conor all that much. Conor's defense whilst being submitted was good. Mendes' only real way to victory was through ground and pound. Problem being that he didn't have the energy and Conor was defending well.

jjdonegal

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

I have a feeling Rory will be making a few more dollars in the years to come. He's an excellent talent and will go far, might even become champion if that bastard Lawler decides to retire :pac:

I really hope so! Love him as a fighter and I'd love to see him get to the top! The sad thing he was so bloody close and just had to see out the round and avoid a 10-8!

Ken Shamrock

jjdonegal wrote: »

I really hope so! Love him as a fighter and I'd love to see him get to the top! The sad thing he was so bloody close and just had to see out the round and avoid a 10-8!

He was so close last time too! I love Lawler as well so It's not the worst thing ever but If I didn't I'd genuinely be beat up for Rory. How do you think he'd fare against Hendricks?

TimRiggins

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Wore McGregor out, disrupted his breathing, busted him open landed several hard elbows, controlled the fight, opened up the cut some more, exposed McGregor's take down defence, scored several points. Basically made life difficult for his opponent.

Jesus Christ, Mendes did very little on the ground, passed guard once and landed a few elbows, compared to McGregor completely busting him up on the feet, making him gas after 5 seconds with a body kick.

Its amazing how much McGregor ruined Mendes on the feet, and Mendes is knocking out everyone else.

darced

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nc19

CurryFlavoured wrote:

Its not near as bad. Diego cowered into a corner and waited to get finished, Chad was tired but he took a massive left hand (along with others) to get to the floor.

Fair enough Chad wasn't as bad as Diego but he defo had had enough imo

Ken Shamrock

TimRiggins wrote: »

Jesus Christ, Mendes did very little on the ground, passed guard once and landed a few elbows, compared to McGregor completely busting him up on the feet, making him gas after 5 seconds with a body kick.

Its amazing how much McGregor ruined Mendes on the feet, and Mendes is knocking out everyone else.

Why the Jesus Christ exactly? We are talking about what Mendes did on the ground? not comparing what he did on the ground to what Conor did on the feet. If you don't have anything to add to that conversation don't bother.

nc19

darced wrote:

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Fair enough. His body quit on him so

TimRiggins

TimRiggins wrote: »

Jesus Christ, Mendes did very little on the ground, passed guard once and landed a few elbows, compared to McGregor completely busting him up on the feet, making him gas after 5 seconds with a body kick.

Its amazing how much McGregor ruined Mendes on the feet, and Mendes is knocking out everyone else.

I would have thought Mendes had marginally won both rounds if it came down to it.

Den_M

TimRiggins wrote: »

Jesus Christ, Mendes did very little on the ground, passed guard once and landed a few elbows, compared to McGregor completely busting him up on the feet, making him gas after 5 seconds with a body kick

That's a very unrealistic view of what happened.
Conors relief when the fight was stopped alone showed how much damage Mendes was doing and how hard he was making the fight.

Ken Shamrock

Deleted User wrote: »

I would have thought Mendes had marginally won both rounds if it came down to it.

He did win both rounds on points

nc19

Seo.OBriain wrote:

& You just have to love Rener's zany enthusiasm.

Have a bit of a man crush on him tbh........

Saipanne

Den_M wrote: »

That's a very unrealistic view of what happened.
Conors relief when the fight was stopped alone showed how much damage Mendes was doing and how hard he was making the fight.

Well he was hardly going to appear disappointed?

Den_M

Saipanne wrote: »

Well he was hardly going to appear disappointed?

Ah c'mon, his demeanor afterwards was completely different from when he fought Siver, Poirier, Brandao etc. After those fights he was still cocky and in promo-mode, having not really been tested. The Mendes fight was a scrap, dunno why you're insisting otherwise because it made the occasion much more epic, was the test that Conor needed and can only drive him on to bigger + better tasks ahead.

Ken Shamrock

Den_M wrote: »

Ah c'mon, his demeanor afterwards was completely different from when he fought Siver, Poirier, Brandao etc. After those fights he was still cocky and in promo-mode, having not really been tested. The Mendes fight was a scrap, dunno why you're insisting otherwise because it made the occasion much more epic, was the test that Conor needed and can only drive him on to bigger + better tasks ahead.

I think It's hilarious In here how people go on, acting like McGregor dominated and breezed through this fight like. He won the fight because of one pivotal moment. The beautiful submission escape. If he was 1 second too slow on that he would have lost, the guillotine would have been locked on, the hook was going on to the back and McGregor was out.

It wasn't the body kicks, the ground game, the 2 week camp or anything else that decided this fight It was the submission escape and It was deserved of winning any fight, of course all those other things factored in but McGregor was seconds away from losing and people are refusing to admit It, they choose to believe he was in control for the entire fight.

Tox56

darced wrote: »

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Mendes had the wrestling advantage, if anything Mcgregor had the BJJ advantage. Mendes got the crucifix but could do nothing with it. What Mendes did was hold McGregor down in closed guard and gave him no space to work, which is a lot more on his wrestling than his BJJ. Every time Mendes gave McGregor any space at all Conor was able to exploit it. I was pretty impressed by the transformation to be honest, considering the Duffy fight isnt even 5 years ago

Den_M wrote: »

That's a very unrealistic view of what happened.
Conors relief when the fight was stopped alone showed how much damage Mendes was doing and how hard he was making the fight.

The damage he took in the fight, or the culmination of his lifes work in winning a UFC belt? Think the latter might have more than a little to do with it.

gitane007

That's exactly it ...............matter of split seconds was all it was really. I needed to change my jocks after watching that it was so close.

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

I think It's hilarious In here how people go on, acting like McGregor dominated and breezed through this fight like. He won the fight because of one pivotal moment. The beautiful submission escape. If he was 1 second too slow on that he would have lost, the guillotine would have been locked on, the hook was going on to the back and McGregor was out.

It wasn't the body kicks, the ground game, the 2 week camp or anything else that decided this fight It was the submission escape and It was deserved of winning any fight, of course all those other things factored in but McGregor was seconds away from losing and people are refusing to admit It, they choose to believe he was in control for the entire fight.

Saipanne

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

I think It's hilarious In here how people go on, acting like McGregor dominated and breezed through this fight like. He won the fight because of one pivotal moment. The beautiful submission escape. If he was 1 second too slow on that he would have lost, the guillotine would have been locked on, the hook was going on to the back and McGregor was out.

It wasn't the body kicks, the ground game, the 2 week camp or anything else that decided this fight It was the submission escape and It was deserved of winning any fight, of course all those other things factored in but McGregor was seconds away from losing and people are refusing to admit It, they choose to believe he was in control for the entire fight.

Couldn't you say that of any fight, or of any sport?

"If only Ronaldo scored that goal in the last second, they would have won. But he missed..."

"If only MacDonald ducked that last punch, he wouldn't have been finished, but he didn't..."

And so on. The fact is McGregor did escape. And unless were talking parallel universes here, that is the only outcome that ever will happen until the end of time.

.ak

Deleted User wrote: »

Just watched it again with this commentary synced up to it. Interesting to hear as a complete MMA newbie. I didn't realise how bad Conor's ground game was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7genJXNfa6s

Actually it was quite good if you see a breakdown of what he's actually doing and how he got out of it.

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gitane007

We all know he got out of it and all credit due to the skill involved, the point is that had he been a little bit more ground down and slightly more tired it was down to seconds.

.ak wrote: »

Actually it was quite good if you see a breakdown of what he's actually doing and how he got out of it.

.ak

Den_M wrote: »

Ah c'mon, his demeanor afterwards was completely different from when he fought Siver, Poirier, Brandao etc. After those fights he was still cocky and in promo-mode, having not really been tested. The Mendes fight was a scrap, dunno why you're insisting otherwise because it made the occasion much more epic, was the test that Conor needed and can only drive him on to bigger + better tasks ahead.

I think it was more the fact he just won a belt... Probably felt like years of hard work to get it, would've been an emotional rush. When you see him walking away from him in the first place when Herb broke it up he looked quite upright and alert.

.ak

gitane007 wrote: »

We all know he got out of it and all credit due to the skill involved, the point is that had he been a little bit more ground down and slightly more tired it was down to seconds.

Well the interesting thing about that breakdown video is they talk about the energy expenditure to take down vs being taken down. Conor looked quite happy to be on his back, and I've seen videos of him at BJJ comps and sparring in SBG and he's always generally to be happy to be on his back and force the opponent to go down on their guard.

Help!!!!

Den_M wrote: »

That's a very unrealistic view of what happened.
Conors relief when the fight was stopped alone showed how much damage Mendes was doing and how hard he was making the fight.

Conor had fought his toughest fight against a fighter a lot of people said would beat him & won
Add to that the thousands of Irish that paid to go to the fight I think he was entitled to be relieved, especially when theres a belt on the line

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Ken Shamrock

Saipanne wrote: »

Couldn't you say that of any fight, or of any sport?

"If only Ronaldo scored that goal in the last second, they would have won. But he missed..."

"If only MacDonald ducked that last punch, he wouldn't have been finished, but he didn't..."

And so on. The fact is McGregor did escape. And unless were talking parallel universes here, that is the only outcome that ever will happen until the end of time.

You're just not understanding the point I am making at all are you? I am not trying to take anything away from McGregor's win, I am not trying to say Chad should have won, I am not trying to say Mcgregor didn't deserve to win. I am not bad mouthing Mcgregor In anyway shape or form so really you should have no beef with me as that seems to be the only thing you are interested In.

The point I am making Is that McGregor did not dominate this fight,It was not an easy Fight, Chad was not ineffective on the ground and McGregor was indeed very tired when the fight was over.

This was the toughest fight of McGregor's life, he got taken down 4 times and after the 1st round he looked lost for idea's, when Chad was on top Of him dropping elbows he was looking at the ref asking to be stood up, (not the eye incident) that suggest's he was not having a fun time.

The respect and admiration McGregor showed to Chad after the fight was testament to just how hard this fight was, before the fight Conor said Chad Is a white belt, he can't strike (closes his eyes and hopes for the best) Is a novice wrestler etc etc after the fight he said Chad is the best striker in the division next to Conor and he said "Chad is definitely the best wrestler in the division".

That Is a big change in opinion, McGregor know's that was a huge win and If he ever faces Chad again It will be a lot more difficult. About the comparison of a near end, It's completely different to a goal in football etc. Chad had a submission locked In and McGregor was tapping in a matter of seconds If McGregor had not acted extremely smart and intelligently to avoid It. To use a football example It's similar to a goalkeeper pulling off a miraculous save in the last minute to win his team the match.

McGregor deserved the win, he was the better man on the night, but he did NOT dominate that fight and It was In no way easy for him so please stop.

DeVore

If you listen to John Kavanagh (and not, you know, some random kid from Wisconsin on Sherdog or whatever ) ... McG hadn't been able to drill one takedown defense the entire camp and the knew was an unknown even going into the fight.

Conor seemed (imho) to be inviting Mendes to pass, he was goading him and asking for a stand up etc. Mendes felt under pressure and instead of clearly winning the round and continuing to do damage in the guard, went for a poor strategic decision and passed guard. I'm not sure Conor wanted to stop him in fact (much as that seems like a strange thing to say)... His escapes and scrambles are very good as we saw. He cant use that with Mendes in his guard and seemed to want the chaos of a submission attempt to hip escape and stand up. I might be giving Conor too much credit but its certainly fits with what we saw a few times (Mendes passes, Conor escapes, even from a crucifix ffs )

Saipanne

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

You're just not understanding the point I am making at all are you? I am not trying to take anything away from McGregor's win, I am not trying to say Chad should have won, I am not trying to say Mcgregor didn't deserve to win. I am not bad mouthing Mcgregor In anyway shape or form so really you should have no beef with me as that seems to be the only thing you are interested In.

The point I am making Is that McGregor did not dominate this fight,It was not an easy Fight, Chad was not ineffective on the ground and McGregor was indeed very tired when the fight was over.

This was the toughest fight of McGregor's life, he got taken down 4 times and after the 1st round he looked lost for idea's, when Chad was on top Of him dropping elbows he was looking at the ref asking to be stood up, (not the eye incident) that suggest's he was not having a fun time.

The respect and admiration McGregor showed to Chad after the fight was testament to just how hard this fight was, before the fight Conor said Chad Is a white belt, he can't strike (closes his eyes and hopes for the best) Is a novice wrestler etc etc after the fight he said Chad is the best striker in the division next to Conor and he said "Chad is definitely the best wrestler in the division".

That Is a big change in opinion, McGregor know's that was a huge win and If he ever faces Chad again It will be a lot more difficult. About the comparison of a near end, It's completely different to a goal in football etc. Chad had a submission locked In and McGregor was tapping in a matter of seconds If McGregor had not acted extremely smart and intelligently to avoid It. To use a football example It's similar to a goalkeeper pulling off a miraculous save in the last minute to win his team the match.

McGregor deserved the win, he was the better man on the night, but he did NOT dominate that fight and It was In no way easy for him so please stop.

Never said he dominated or was easy. Not once.

End of discussion.

DeVore

McG even said in his post fight walk away "I feel like I earned it tonight" after clearly being in a war. No doubt in my mind that this was his toughest fight and certainly a close fight.

Asking the ref to stand it up wasn't a sign of weakness or begging to go back to the feet... its blatantly an attempt to needle Mendes. Conor was asking "is that all you've got?" etc on the ground. Asking the ref for a standup was a blatant wind up attempt.

slicus ricus

darced wrote: »

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Only way McGregor was getting up was for Mendes to get through his guard. Chad was as active as he possibly could have been in McGregor's guard, which was far too active for the fight to be stood up. I'm not saying he deliberately let Mendes get through but in order to create enough separation between himself and Mendes to get up, Conor had to leave the opportunity for Chad to pass guard. Chad duly took said opportunities without hesitation. From there, Conor grappled impeccably to avoid the guillotine and get the fight back to the feet.

Zero-Cool

Just watched this, nice few FACTS about the fight. The whole gassing thing though, I know Chad was telling embedded he wa sin perfect shape but he knows it's a mental game against Conor, he could hardly say 'Ah tbh I'm a bit bolloxed and could do with another few weeks of training' but the rest of the vid is class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB4TlktBFBI

DrPhilG

Pulse8 wrote: »

That'd be great man, thx a mil

There you go.

It's fairly accurate for 189, not 100% of course!

Pulse8

DrPhilG wrote: »

There you go.

It's fairly accurate for 189, not 100% of course!

Legend, thanks a mil!

jjdonegal

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

He was so close last time too! I love Lawler as well so It's not the worst thing ever but If I didn't I'd genuinely be beat up for Rory. How do you think he'd fare against Hendricks?

Be an amazing match up! Hendricks is one animal of a puncher but I do think his reach is a good bit shorter so that might eliminate that threat a bit! Could be wrong on that though!
Its a bloody hard one to call aint it but id just have to side with MacDonald but probably more out of bias than anything! It's a real 50/50 fight and god knows how MacDonald will come out of that war when he recovers!
I for one would love to see Lawler Hendricks go at it again.

Ken Shamrock

Saipanne wrote: »

Never said he dominated or was easy. Not once.

End of discussion.

And to be childish I will point out that I never said you said he dominated or It was easy for him.

Someone mentions the fact that Mendes had Conor on the ground you respond with

Saipanne wrote: »

The net effect of which was to wear himself out while McGregor didn't seem "wore out" at all.

Good strategy.

Someone points out takedowns you respond with

Saipanne wrote: »

But once down there Mendes wasn't doing much. Then Mendes attempted submissions, but McGregor was more than a match for him.

Someone mentions striking

Saipanne wrote: »

most of his time standing up was spent pinned back to the cage because of McGregors pressure. You can even hear the commentators saying that Mendes can't continue like this.

So according to you Mendes was ineffective on the ground and on the feet, so what exactly was difficult or tiring for Conor then? You suggested mendes taking him down was a bad strategy and when I said well Is standing up trading blows with Conor a better with you ignored me.

Anytime I call you out on anything, try to have a discussion or anything of the sort you run away, then you'll come back a few hours later with some one liner and run away again. I thought this was supposed to be a thread for discussing? If you are not going to discuss anything then It's probably best If this is "end of "discussion".

darced

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Ken Shamrock

jjdonegal wrote: »

Be an amazing match up! Hendricks is one animal of a puncher but I do think his reach is a good bit shorter so that might eliminate that threat a bit! Could be wrong on that though!
Its a bloody hard one to call aint it but id just have to side with MacDonald but probably more out of bias than anything! It's a real 50/50 fight and god knows how MacDonald will come out of that war when he recovers!
I for one would love to see Lawler Hendricks go at it again.

Yeah I think the reach Is something similar to Conor vs Chad. But Hendricks surprises me everytime. even just looking at that man you'd have no idea how much of a beast he is.

Well he wants his title back so he's going to have to go through Rory and Robbie to get It at some stage, tasty to think about.

Saipanne

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

And to be childish I will point out that I never said you said he dominated or It was easy for him.

Someone mentions the fact that Mendes had Conor on the ground you respond with



Someone points out takedowns you respond with



Someone mentions striking



So according to you Mendes was ineffective on the ground and on the feet, so what exactly was difficult or tiring for Conor then? You suggested mendes taking him down was a bad strategy and when I said well Is standing up trading blows with Conor a better with you ignored me.

Anytime I call you out on anything, try to have a discussion or anything of the sort you run away, then you'll come back a few hours later with some one liner and run away again. I thought this was supposed to be a thread for discussing? If you are not going to discuss anything then It's probably best If this is "end of "discussion".

You're just making inferences and jumping to conclusions. I think the fight was close, I just don't buy the narrative that's floating out there that Mendes was dominating until McGregor magically escaped and finished him. That's not the fight that I was watching.

Anyway, you seem to be getting quite caught up in my posts, so how about we cool off for a while?

Tox56

darced wrote: »

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Werdum had his guard passed like nothing against Cain, but Cain could do nothing with it, just like Mendes. Its pretty telling that neither of those Mendes "guard passes" were held long enough to be officially considered a guard pass in sport BJJ, McGregor recovered pretty much immediately and took pretty much no damage on both occasions. People keep saying stuff like "Chad almost had that guillotine" as if it means something, he went for a guillotine and McGregor defended it without issue

Ken Shamrock

Saipanne wrote: »

You're just making inferences and jumping to conclusions. I think the fight was close, I just don't buy the narrative that's floating out there that Mendes was dominating until McGregor magically escaped and finished him. That's not the fight that I was watching.

Anyway, you seem to be getting quite caught up in my posts, so how about we cool off for a while?

How dare I use evidence and reasoning to jump to conclusions. Nobody said Chad was dominating, Chad was in control on the ground McGregor was in Control on the feet, Mcgregor didn't magically escape, he used skill,awareness and technique to be able to think a step ahead and It payed off. If that's not the fight you were watching then you certainly were watching the wrong one.

If you need to cool off then cool off, I'll be here If you want to address any of my points or have a discussion

Ash.J.Williams

As a person, i like Frankie Edgar! I hope he gets his shot

CurryFlavoured

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

As a person, i like Frankie Edgar! I hope he gets his shot

Who doesn't? I want Aldo first, fear that Frankie would decision Conor.

MartyMcFly84

I would like him to fight Aldo and put that to bed.

After to move to 155. I think he is working hard enough without having the strain of such a big weight cut to add to it.

If Edgar wants to fight him they can fight at 155.

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CurryFlavoured

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

I would like him to fight Aldo and put that to bed.

After to move to 155. I think he is working hard enough without having the strain of such a big weight cut to add to it.

If Edgar wants to fight him they can fight at 155.

No way does he win the belt then ditch 145.

Ken Shamrock

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

No way does he win the belt then ditch 145.

I agree

Help!!!!

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

How dare I use evidence and reasoning to jump to conclusions. Nobody said Chad was dominating, Chad was in control on the ground McGregor was in Control on the feet, Mcgregor didn't magically escape, he used skill,awareness and technique to be able to think a step ahead and It payed off. If that's not the fight you were watching then you certainly were watching the wrong one.

If you need to cool off then cool off, I'll be here If you want to address any of my points or have a discussion

If Chad was in control on the ground he wouldn't have got hit with so many elbows. He was able to take Conor down but I wouldn't say he was in control as he didn't do a whole lot when they were on the ground. He got hit as many times as he hit Conor

Fromvert

It'll be a year plus before McGregor fights another wrestler barring any pullouts.
Fight Aldo in 5/6 months. If that's anyway a competitive fight, they're having a rematch another 5/6 months later and then it's another few months before McGregor fights after that.

Who knows what the FW division looks like then.

Who's the champ and who are the challengers?
Will McGregor want to stay in the division?
If Holloway is still in the top 5 and McGregor is staying at FW they do the rematch, whether that is a title shot for Holloway or just a fight between two contenders.

It'll be a long time before Edgar or Mendes get another shot at the title or McGregor without injuries and pullouts happening.

Ken Shamrock

Help!!!! wrote: »

If Chad was in control on the ground he wouldn't have got hit with so many elbows. He was able to take Conor down but I wouldn't say he was in control as he didn't do a whole lot when they were on the ground. He got hit as many times as he hit Conor

Ah jaysus...ok. You're right. Mendes did nothing on the ground. Conor's elbows were devastating, truly damaged Mendes to the point where he couldn't take anymore and had to stand up.