Tour de France 2015 Stage 4 Seriang - Cambrai (cobbles) contains unmasked spoilers

ThisRegard · 07-07-2015 4:40pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

That's some tan on Nico :pac:

His upside down glasses bug me!

dastardly00 · 07-07-2015 4:40pm

Dan lost about 3'20" I think.

letape · 07-07-2015 4:41pm

Alexander Kristoff

Looks like Dan martins group lost 3.19

dastardly00 · 07-07-2015 4:41pm

Great scenes with the Etixx boys.

Pudsy33 · 07-07-2015 4:42pm

Dan for Polka dots maybe?

GetWithIt · 07-07-2015 4:42pm

At least I got for money on the 11/1 on Froome to remain in yellow.

Talib Fiasco · 07-07-2015 4:43pm

Alexander Kristoff

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Dan for Polka dots maybe?

Thibaut Pinot should be going for it now too

Morrisseeee · 07-07-2015 4:43pm

Alexander Kristoff

Winner alright winner alright

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check_six · 07-07-2015 4:45pm

GetWithIt wrote: »

At least I got for money on the 11/1 on Froome to remain in yellow.

Huh? I thought Tony Martin is going into yellow now?

Or am I just having a whoosh moment here?

REBELSAFC · 07-07-2015 4:49pm

Sam Bennett

Dan lost 5' 37"

ThisRegard · 07-07-2015 4:49pm

check_six wrote: »

Huh? I thought Tony Martin is going into yellow now?

Or am I just having a whoosh moment here?

I know my understanding of betting is pretty bad, but I too was wondering how he could have won.

crosstownk · 07-07-2015 4:50pm

check_six wrote: »

Huh? I thought Tony Martin is going into yellow now?

Or am I just having a whoosh moment here?

Tony Martin is in yellow alright.

http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2015/us/stage-4/classifications.html

Talib Fiasco · 07-07-2015 4:50pm

Alexander Kristoff

GetWithIt · 07-07-2015 4:52pm

check_six wrote: »

Huh? I thought Tony Martin is going into yellow now?

Or am I just having a whoosh moment here?

Value for money implies the bet didn't win but, well, you got your money's worth.

Pudsy33 · 07-07-2015 4:53pm

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Thibaut Pinot should be going for it now too

If he stops throwing tantrums

Talib Fiasco · 07-07-2015 4:55pm

Alexander Kristoff

Pudsy33 wrote: »

If he stops throwing tantrums

Yeah it'll be interesting to see what attitude he brings to the rest of the tour now. He has lost interest in the past when GC chances have ended prematurely for him.

retalivity · 07-07-2015 4:55pm

Talansky must be the protected rider for Garmin now, prob with dan as a dom.
May be allowed off the leash to attempt a few stage victories, doubt he'll be allowed to go for the polka dot jersey

Pudsy33 · 07-07-2015 5:00pm

retalivity wrote: »

Talansky must be the protected rider for Garmin now, prob with dan as a dom.
May be allowed off the leash to attempt a few stage victories, doubt he'll be allowed to go for the polka dot jersey

Can't imagine they'll keep him on a leash tbh, the way Garmin operate I reckon they'll value stage wins over an anonymous top 20. Fingers crossed they let him attack.

check_six · 07-07-2015 5:00pm

GetWithIt wrote: »

Value for money implies the bet didn't win but, well, you got your money's worth.

Hmm,... I see,... I think. You bet, but you didn't get any money back, right?

I'm really out of my depth here!

ThisRegard wrote: »

I know my understanding of betting is pretty bad, but I too was wondering how he could have won.

No trips to Vegas for us anytime soon I suppose!

Or maybe our unconventional "try to put money on the thing that wins, and fun bedamned" system could work in our favour!

dastardly00 · 07-07-2015 5:01pm

With 14km to go, Tony Martin and Sep Vanmarcke rejoined the lead group after their respective punctures.

Vanmarcke finished 7'03" behind Martin.

I'm presuming he had another mechanical. And also went for a pint in the nearest pub.

check_six · 07-07-2015 5:03pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

With 14km to go, Tony Martin and Sep Vanmarcke rejoined the lead group after their respective punctures.

Vanmarcke finished 7'03" behind Martin.

I'm presuming he had another mechanical. And also went for a pint in the nearest pub.

A pint-size pint, or one of those funny wee glasses with the big head of foam the continental types seem to favour?

Talib Fiasco · 07-07-2015 5:06pm

Alexander Kristoff

According to Fleche, Contador rode the last 25k with a broken rear wheel.

letape · 07-07-2015 5:07pm

Alexander Kristoff

check_six wrote: »

A pint-size pint, or one of those funny wee glasses with the big head of foam the continental types seem to favour?

Perhaps a Kronenberg 1664...

(synonymous with early 90s channel 4 tour coverage)

Brian? · 07-07-2015 5:26pm

Andre Greipel

Pudsy33 wrote: »

If he stops throwing tantrums

I can't get over his behaviour. He's an absolute disgrace. Take the team mates bike and get on with it. Big baby.

ThisRegard · 07-07-2015 5:27pm

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

According to Fleche, Contador rode the last 25k with a broken rear wheel.

Eurosport showed the wheel when it was up on the car.

MPFG · 07-07-2015 5:31pm

Zdenek Stybar

I can't see Dan going for KOM jersey . He will have to support Talansky but there are also stages he can win like stage 8

A stage or 2 would certainly be better than top 10 anyway.
Look at last year , Majka was a sensation with 2 stage wins while I bet no one remembers who was number 6 to 10 on GC

eagle eye · 07-07-2015 5:42pm

Peter Sagan

Absolutely delighted for Tony Martin who has become my favourite cyclist. The man just puts so much effort into being the best that he can be and he is so full of heart, it's just a pity he isn't a great climber because he'd win everything if he could.

Eamonnator · 07-07-2015 5:51pm

Brian? wrote: »

I can't get over his behaviour. He's an absolute disgrace. Take the team mates bike and get on with it. Big baby.

Yeah, thats exactly what Tony Martin did, and look where he finished.

SummerRebel · 07-07-2015 6:20pm

Brian? wrote: »

I can't get over his behaviour. He's an absolute disgrace. Take the team mates bike and get on with it. Big baby.

Why was he screaming at the mechanic at the side of the road??

Dr. Bre · 07-07-2015 6:34pm

delighted for Martin (Tony) sad for Martin ( Dan) ... Pinot had a meltdown ha! hope Dan targets stages and maybe KOM - he gets no luck! if it rained today there would have been carnage..

odyssey06 · 07-07-2015 6:35pm

Zdenek Stybar

Nico must be a relieved man... Operation Get-Froome-Over-The-Cobbles completed...

SummerRebel · 07-07-2015 6:40pm

SummerRebel wrote: »

Why was he screaming at the mechanic at the side of the road??

OK according to L'Equipe, his electronic gearing broke and he was stuck on a high chainring. He didn't want to get on his teammates bike (Mattieu Landagnous) because it was too big for him. His teamcar was 13 cars back and took time to get him a replacement bike.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Thibaut-pinot-parle-de-nouveaux-objectifs-apres-l-etape-des-paves/572555

ThisRegard · 07-07-2015 6:45pm

He could have continued until it got closer?

MPFG · 07-07-2015 6:59pm

Zdenek Stybar

Tony Martin took Trentin's bike and the differential immeasurements between these two riders was greater than the difference between Pinot and his teammate

Also Degenkolb threw a strop after the finish line its seems

All understandable I feel. . These guys are under so much pressure to win by team, fans & country

MPFG · 07-07-2015 7:03pm

Zdenek Stybar

odyssey06 wrote: »

Nico must be a relieved man... Operation Get-Froome-Over-The-Cobbles completed...

He did a great job today I must say. He came back after every pave section to go to the front to get Froome and Thomas on to the next section on the front. Must be knackered

dastardly00 · 07-07-2015 7:14pm

MPFG wrote: »

Tony Martin took Trentin's bike and the differential immeasurements between these two riders was greater than the difference between Pinot and his teammate

Also Degenkolb threw a strop after the finish line its seems

All understandable I feel. . These guys are under so much pressure to win by team, fans & country

Tony Martin is 6'1" and Matteo Trentin is 5'10" so there must have been fcuk all difference in height between Pinot and his team mate then.

dastardly00 · 07-07-2015 7:17pm

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/618468495718809600

MPFG · 07-07-2015 7:28pm

Zdenek Stybar

dastardly00 wrote: »

Tony Martin is 6'1" and Matteo Trentin is 5'10" so there must have been fcuk all difference in height between Pinot and his team mate then.

Jens Hagström ‏@jenscer 2h2 hours ago
Interesting numbers of the day:
Pinot= 180cm
Ladagnous= 182cm

Tony M = 185cm
Trentin = 179cm

ThisRegard · 07-07-2015 7:49pm

Did T Martin keep his team mates bike to the finish? I never noticed him switching again but I was doing other stuff so may have missed it.

glack · 07-07-2015 7:59pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Did T Martin keep his team mates bike to the finish? I never noticed him switching again but I was doing other stuff so may have missed it.

Yep he won on his team mates bike. Makes it even more impressive.

Guybrush T · 07-07-2015 8:27pm

In his interview Tony Martin said the bike he borrowed had the brakes the other way round to his own. Does anyone know if this is common? It seems like a recipe for disaster to me, I would have thought all teams would have Euro standard front left, rear right.

ThisRegard · 07-07-2015 8:55pm

glack wrote: »

Makes it even more impressive.

And Pinot look less professional.

niceonetom · 07-07-2015 8:57pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w24nj7ldGSc

Brake set up is commented upon within. Decidedly odd for a german.

Watching the finish I had visions of him intending to scrub a touch of speed in the final corner and accidentally washing out the front wheel instead.

rtmie · 07-07-2015 9:03pm

Guybrush T wrote: »

In his interview Tony Martin said the bike he borrowed had the brakes the other way round to his own. Does anyone know if this is common? It seems like a recipe for disaster to me, I would have thought all teams would have Euro standard front left, rear right.

Depends on UK vs Continental, see this discussion

claims it is because people use rear brake to scrub when slowing so fron brake level should be on same side as traffic so you can use that hand to signal your are slowing. Interesting theory.

ROK ON · 07-07-2015 9:17pm

Sam Bennett

Tony Martin

Proper cyclist

Caps not hats

Much respect.

ThisRegard · 07-07-2015 10:18pm

Looking at the highlights and Pinots meltdown again. Over 18km to go and Martin and a team mate get stuck in to catch up to peleton, get to the back of it with around 15/16km to go. He goes on to break from it and win the stage.

At the same point Martin is chasing, Pinot throws his tantrum and is completely disinterested for the rest of the stage.

drogdub · 08-07-2015 12:05am

T Martin is one of those cyclists that sums up everything I admire about the pros. Hard as nails, prepared to lose trying to win but when he has to work for a team mate shows total selflessness and drives himself into the ground. Delighted for him.