Ryanair to start flights to Israel.

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http://www.newstalk.com/Ryanair-Israel-Eilat-Ovda-Airport-Budapest-Kaunas-Krakow

Newstalk wrote:

It will launch routes to Budapest, Kaunas and Krakow

Ryanair has announced it is to start flying from Israel from November.

This will see it launch three new routes at Eilat Ovda Airport to Budapest, Kaunas and Krakow.

Its Israeli operations will see it fly the three new routes twice weekly.

This means six weekly return flights to and from Israel's second international airport.

The airline says it will continue to negotiate with the Israeli authorities over future routes, and looks forward to growing Israeli tourism, traffic and jobs.

Seats for the routes go on sale from tomorrow for travel in November and December.

Could this be a new era for Ryanair? It will be interesting to see when/if they expand into western Europe. Israel never really struck me as a destination I wanted to go to but would definitely be more inclined to go with low cost flights there. With this expansion into Israel could we see routes to the likes of the U.A.E?

martinsvi

At first I was skeptical, but looking at where that airport is located, I realized, it's right next to Red Sea, I was there on the Jordan side in Aqaba few years ago, superb gem, perfect for snorkeling and diving. Perfect sun destination basically. Too bad Israel is what it is..

billie1b

What would the distance be (flying distance) to Eilat Airport from DUB, if anybody could calculate it

FWVT

billie1b wrote: »

What would the distance be (flying distance) to Eilat Airport from DUB, if anybody could calculate it

2295 nautical miles, 4251 km.

For comparison, Las Palmas is 1581 nm/ 2928 km.

Victor

I don't think it's as radical as some in the media are suggesting - Rayanir have spent their entire time expanding east and south.

http://www.ryanair.com/ie/cheap-flight-destinations/ - they might recognise the separation of Transjordan. :pac:

billie1b wrote: »

What would the distance be (flying distance) to Eilat Airport from DUB, if anybody could calculate it

http://www.gcmap.com/dist?P=ETH-DUB 2641 miles / 4251 km, give or take.

snubbleste

Ryanair get a huge subsidy to bring passengers to Eilat.

From October 6th the ministry of tourism will reimburse airline operators €45 for every passenger flying to Eilat’s Ovda Airport, up to a total of €1 million per annum per airline. The incentive will remain in place until April 22nd, 2016.
http://airlines.einnews.com/article/260589535/b9300wIiAlEnn8Lb?continued=1

JCX BXC

€45 per passenger? Wow! I'd imagine a route to western Europe eg Ireland, UK, France, Germany, Holland would be better at bringing in the Tourists.

paska

I wonder will be doing flights from Israel to the hague @ €45 one way? It will be the cheapest way to fly the Israeli government to face their crimes when the USA get bored with them.

snubbleste

paska wrote: »

I wonder will be doing flights from Israel to the hague @ €45 one way? It will be the cheapest way to fly the Israeli government to face their crimes when the USA get bored with them.

Well no. As you'd have to bring the passenger to Israel to avail of the subsidy :cool:

How could an airline not take advantage of such an state subsidy anyway?
Makes you wonder how much higher airports can go to incentivise airlines to choose them as a destination.

fr336

One country I would never bother with in a million years

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fr336 wrote: »

One country I would never bother with in a million years

I would consider it considering they speak alot of English there. I may look at transitting SNN-KUN/KRK-That Israel place to have a look over. Very cheap by the looks of it. Full of culture over there and its not the poorest place in the world.

fr336

Carnacalla wrote: »

I would consider it considering they speak alot of English there. I may look at transitting SNN-KUN/KRK-That Israel place to have a look over. Very cheap by the looks of it. Full of culture over there and its not the poorest place in the world.

Well, stay safe and that.

JCX BXC

fr336 wrote: »

Well, stay safe and that.

Ah there's problems there but its not exactly Somalia.

Very Bored

Don't get why this thread has seen attempts to turn it into a political issue. Its about airline routes, not political issues. Very sad how some can't leave their anti-Israeli views aside.

Easyjet have been running cheap routes to Israel (and other middle haul destinations like Russia) for some time. Personally, I would go there on holiday tomorrow if my wife would agree to go. Same with Russia.

fr336

Carnacalla wrote: »

Ah there's problems there but its not exactly Somalia.

No, I just...well I'd prefer Ireland myself :cool:

fr336

Very Bored wrote: »

Don't get why this thread has seen attempts to turn it into a political issue. Its about airline routes, not political issues. Very sad how some can't leave their anti-Israeli views aside.

Attempts? To what end? People just happen to be human and spill what's on their mind, not everything is a conspiracy. As far as I know nothing on the internet has to be cemented into law...

MagicMarker

Very Bored wrote: »

Personally, I would go there on holiday tomorrow if my wife would agree to go. Same with Russia.

Why don't you ask your wife to give you your balls back and just go on your own?

fr336

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why don't you ask your wife to give you your balls back and just go on your own?

Ah this place is some craic....:pac: It must feel like a playground to the mods

Very Bored

fr336 wrote: »

Attempts? To what end? People just happen to be human and spill what's on their mind, not everything is a conspiracy. As far as I know nothing on the internet has to be cemented into law...

Fair play, I happen to be pro-Israeli and so am particularly happy about the possibility of low cost flights to a country I have always wanted to visit, lets see how that admission goes down eh...

Very Bored

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why don't you ask your wife to give you your balls back and just go on your own?

I go to Italy alone between five to six times a year to watch my football team (Inter)... is that balls enough :P?

fr336

Very Bored wrote: »

Fair play, I happen to be pro-Israeli and so am particularly happy about the possibility of low cost flights to a country I have always wanted to visit, lets see how that admission goes down eh...

Oh poor little Israel, like they don't get enough defence, I think they're well catered for in terms of people in this neck of the woods lining up to count them as a fully fledged member of the democratic west. Personally I don't.

JCX BXC

Maybe this discussion may belong in the Politics Cafe?

Very Bored

fr336 wrote: »

Oh poor little Israel, like they don't get enough defence, I think they're well catered for in terms of people in this neck of the woods lining up to count them as a fully fledged member of the democratic west. Personally I don't.

In fact, in the west by the general population, they get nothing but attacked.

Carnacalla wrote: »

Maybe this discussion may belong in the Politics Cafe?

My point exactly. How sad that an issue regarding airlines and destinations immediately succumbed to political commentary. Had it been any country bar Israel which was being discussed the conversation would have remained on travel issues, but, unfortunately, there are anti-semitic discourses which must be outed any time the word Israel is mentioned and subsequently the thread automatically derails itself.

In my opinion, it is a huge positive if there are more Ryanair links eastward. The more the world narrows, the more the world will come together through mutual experience. Easyjet already offers low-fare links between the UK and Israel, from more than one location, so its good if Ryanair also points in that direction as it means Ireland may, one day, have similar links. I would suggest that there should also be a similar move towards Russia. Easyjet already links the UK to Russia on a no frills package so why should Ireland not have a similar option?

BoJack Horseman

Things like the church of the holy sepulcher are kind of bucket list things for me.... Long old flight in a Ryanair jet though.

Very Bored

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Things like the church of the holy sepulcher are kind of bucket list things for me.... Long old flight in a Ryanair jet though.

The history in Israel is unbelievable. My bucket list is Russia (Moscow, St. Peterburg and I desperately want to do the Trans-Siberian Railway) and Israel. Such an incredible amount of history, from vastly different eras, in both countries.

fr336

Very Bored wrote: »

there are anti-semitic discourses which must be outed any time the word Israel is mentioned and subsequently the thread automatically derails itself.

This just derails your 'argument' completely - shambolic. Not supportive of Israel policy = anti-semitic. Have a word with yourself. That you use that shows you have no belief in anything else you say about Israel. Pathetic.

JCX BXC

Would a direct flight be possible from Dublin?

Victor

Carnacalla wrote: »

Would a direct flight be possible from Dublin?

I think yes. However, I'm not sure if it could carry full load and that would affect the economics. Much more likely in the Ryanair model would be (not) connecting flights.

Ken.

In a quick survey of 25 ex soldiers in the Curragh who were peace-keepers in Israel/Lebanon 23 said they'd love to go back for a visit if cheap flights were available. Survey carried out by me.

Bayberry

Carnacalla wrote: »

Would a direct flight be possible from Dublin?

It's 2600 miles from Dublin to Eilat - it's only 2950 miles to Boston, and there'd be a lot more traffic on that route, and with immigration/customs pre-clearance in Dublin, there would be dozens of regional airports that FR could fly directly to, if they wanted to deal with routes of that length.

wonski

Wizzair has had a regular connection with Tel Aviv for long time now.

Not connected to Ireland, but I could fly from KTW (Katowice, Poland) to Tel Aviv for €60 on 19/07 . Even if you add the cost of flying from Dublin to KTW it is very good price.

I believe they (RyanAir) realized that if one of their competitors can do it, then why not.

The only problem for passengers flying from Ireland is that extra flight to Poland to get to Israel.

All new routes announcements are good for us, passengers.
Especialy when this news comes from RyanAir.

lord lucan

Can we keep the discussion to aviation related matters only please,there's a whole forum dedicated to regional politics if you feel that way inclined.

wonski

billie1b wrote: »

What would the distance be (flying distance) to Eilat Airport from DUB, if anybody could calculate it

http://www.distancefromto.net/

DoYouEvenLift

Why don't they do routes to Ukraine yet?

Victor

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Why don't they do routes to Ukraine yet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

DoYouEvenLift

Victor wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

crazygeryy

wonski wrote: »

http://www.distancefromto.net/

is there a web site to calculate flight times?

martinsvi

crazygeryy wrote: »

is there a web site to calculate flight times?

you can use http://skyvector.com/

select your route and for speed put 420kt for jets (depending on winds and company policies it can be anywhere from 350 to 600 on a strong jet stream, but 420 would be a good guess)

that should give you a fairly accurate flight time + add 20-30 minutes on top of it for departure, approach and landing phases when the plane is slower

this is for rough estimates only. As you know, planes don't always travel a straight path to avoid other traffic, weather, winds and so on..

for turboprops, it really depends what it is.. F50 will be slower than ATRs.. ATR42 is slower than ATR72.. Q400 I guess is faster than all of them, so I can't give you an average number for those..

JCX BXC

Bayberry wrote: »

It's 2600 miles from Dublin to Eilat - it's only 2950 miles to Boston, and there'd be a lot more traffic on that route, and with immigration/customs pre-clearance in Dublin, there would be dozens of regional airports that FR could fly directly to, if they wanted to deal with routes of that length.

Ryanair won't be flying transatlantic, its a completely different ball game. You will alot sooner see Eilat than St. Johns, which is probably shorter. So it is doable on a 738-800 with a meaningful load? If so we may see something soon.

Fees for TATL are very high and its something FR won't want to tackle under the same extreme low cost company, as it may threaten its reputation and name.

fricatus

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Why don't they do routes to Ukraine yet?

Victor wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

I think this is a fair enough question actually. The trouble in Ukraine (and the area where MH17 was shot down) is in the extreme east and south of the country. It's a very big place, and most of Ukraine enjoys an uneasy peace at the moment.

Three destinations stand out: Kiev, Odessa and Lviv - all three very beautiful cities with loads to do. Maybe Odessa is a little close to the trouble, but Kiev is a long way away, even if it does see quite a few anti-government protests. Lviv is even further away, and is one of the loveliest cities I've ever visited - like an undiscovered Prague. I'll be the first on board if they start flying in there!

Maybe the reason they don't go there is more because the economy is in the toilet than anything else?

trellheim

Dublin Larnaca is most of the way and that is or was 737 served IIRC being on one of them ... Eilat doesn't look too much farther . Can't see them doing it in < 5 hours though which kind of breaks the FR model.

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trellheim wrote: »

Dublin Larnaca is most of the way and that is or was 737 served IIRC being on one of them ... Eilat doesn't look too much farther . Can't see them doing it in < 5 hours though which kind of breaks the FR model.

So the Scandinavia-Canary Islands that they have done for years is somehow an exception to that rule?

martinsvi

Carnacalla wrote: »

So it is doable on a 738-800 with a meaningful load? If so we may see something soon.

yes, range wise it's doable, but just because plane can make it, I don't think is enough basis to start a route. I don't think there's enough interest between Irish to go to Israel or Israelis to come over.

The announced 3 routes have a lot to do with Israelis wanting to visit historical WW2 places and memorials, labor camps and so on. Incidentally these 3 countries, or regions are where a lot of Jews ended up in after WW2, so you can speculate that it's this crowd who would be the first in line to buy tickets in opposite direction. So I don't think we'll see a route from Ireland anytime soon

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martinsvi wrote: »

yes, range wise it's doable, but just because plane can make it, I don't think is enough basis to start a route. I don't think there's enough interest between Irish to go to Israel or Israelis to come over.

The announced 3 routes have a lot to do with Israelis wanting to visit historical WW2 places and memorials, labor camps and so on. Incidentally these 3 countries, or regions are where a lot of Jews ended up in after WW2, so you can speculate that it's this crowd who would be the first in line to buy tickets in opposite direction. So I don't think we'll see a route from Ireland anytime soon

I agree that the routes chosen are the right ones and think they will do well, but I think we may see something from DUB soon. Look at the UK, EZY fly to LTN, LGW and MAN fr TLV. I'd imagine that in that case RYR could manage a market from Ireland, especially if the price is right. "A cheap winter sun destination alternative to the Canaries".

martinsvi

fricatus wrote: »

Three destinations stand out: Kiev, Odessa and Lviv - all three very beautiful cities with loads to do. ....

Maybe the reason they don't go there is more because the economy is in the toilet than anything else?

Tourism alone will not support these destinations, you need either business ties or immigration between them. None of that is the case for either Ukraine, Russia or Israel..

syklops

fricatus wrote: »

I think this is a fair enough question actually. The trouble in Ukraine (and the area where MH17 was shot down) is in the extreme east and south of the country. It's a very big place, and most of Ukraine enjoys an uneasy peace at the moment.

Three destinations stand out: Kiev, Odessa and Lviv - all three very beautiful cities with loads to do. Maybe Odessa is a little close to the trouble, but Kiev is a long way away, even if it does see quite a few anti-government protests. Lviv is even further away, and is one of the loveliest cities I've ever visited - like an undiscovered Prague. I'll be the first on board if they start flying in there!

Maybe the reason they don't go there is more because the economy is in the toilet than anything else?

You can fly to Rzesow and then get the train to Lviv. Ok, the train adds about 3 hours to the journey, but travelling by train in that part of the country is a lot of fun.

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martinsvi wrote: »

Tourism alone will not support these destinations, you need either business ties or immigration between them. None of that is the case for either Ukraine, Russia or Israel..

May I ask why? It's not like Immigrants spent more money than the average tourist. I can see the business ties part of it but I'm not sure it seals the deal. Also if any of these countries enter the EU (Ukraine I'm looking at you) then im sure there will be alot of Ukrainians supporting the Irish company Ryanair once they immigrate across Europe.

martinsvi

Carnacalla wrote: »

May I ask why? It's not like Immigrants spent more money than the average tourist. I can see the business ties part of it but I'm not sure it seals the deal. Also if any of these countries enter the EU (Ukraine I'm looking at you) then im sure there will be alot of Ukrainians supporting the Irish company Ryanair once they immigrate across Europe.

It doesn't matter how much immigrants spend, what matters is how often they travel! How much tourists do you think travel between two countries? As far as I remember, there were seasonal flights between the two countries ages ago and Ireland was quite popular between Israelis , but then celtic tiger happened, and basically a lot of them realized that they can get better value elsewhere. Nothing has really changed in that matter and you would still struggle to find enough tourists in any given day to fill a plane. That's why you have to look for immigrants or business people

LorMal

Very Bored wrote: »

Don't get why this thread has seen attempts to turn it into a political issue. Its about airline routes, not political issues. Very sad how some can't leave their anti-Israeli views aside.

Easyjet have been running cheap routes to Israel (and other middle haul destinations like Russia) for some time. Personally, I would go there on holiday tomorrow if my wife would agree to go. Same with Russia.

I have been a few times. Fascinating place. Jerusalem is an open air museum really - incredible sense of history everywhere. I also loved Caesarea. Tel Aviv is not all that interesting - a great souk and a really nice beach but not much else. The coast is gorgeous and the terrain is desert like and very biblical looking.
Well worth a visit - really.

Long Time Lurker

Very Bored wrote: »

Don't get why this thread has seen attempts to turn it into a political issue. Its about airline routes, not political issues. Very sad how some can't leave their anti-Israeli views aside.
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Really?

You really wonder! Go figure!

JCX BXC

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Really?

You really wonder! Go figure!

lord lucan wrote: »

Can we keep the discussion to aviation related matters only please,there's a whole forum dedicated to regional politics if you feel that way inclined.

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