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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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    #782
    pedroeibar1
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    Kalimah wrote: »
    Anyone any ideas on this- my great great grandparents marriage in 1872. In the impedimentum column of the register it says this. The marriage was between John Ryan and Catherine Davis on June 1st.
    If my interpretation of the entry is correct, it’s a very interesting dispensation –
    My reading is
    “In 2 et 2 gradum
    consanguinatis dis-
    pensatio a cardinal
    Cullen princips"
    English - In second and second grade of consanguinity dispensation by Cardinal Cullen, primate.
    The last word looks like ‘princips’ which means ‘prince’ and that would fit with cardinals and ‘princes of the Church’. The repetition of 2 and 2 means they were double first cousins and possibly why it was a cardinal who gave the dispensation. How does that fit with the genealogy of earlier generations?


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    #783
    pedroeibar1
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    VirginiaB wrote: »
    I can only suggest going to the site at http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/vob/index.jsp and then entering the info I gave--
    Name--Michael Herrick
    County--King's [note spelling]
    Townland--Knockbarron
    He is number 10a on right-hand page. Thanks.

    Try this link


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    #784
    Kalimah
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    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    If my interpretation of the entry is correct, it’s a very interesting dispensation –
    My reading is
    “In 2 et 2 gradum
    consanguinatis dis-
    pensatio a cardinal
    Cullen princips"
    English - In second and second grade of consanguinity dispensation by Cardinal Cullen, primate.
    The last word looks like ‘princips’ which means ‘prince’ and that would fit with cardinals and ‘princes of the Church’. The repetition of 2 and 2 means they were double first cousins and possibly why it was a cardinal who gave the dispensation. How does that fit with the genealogy of earlier generations?

    Thanks an absolute million! That's a turn up for the books. I'll have to do a bit more searching to see where that fits in. It's a part of the family tree I'm only getting to now.


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    #785
    pinkypinky
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    Second marriage down on this page

    What do you read for the first witness?

    Also the address of the groom and bride's mother's surname?

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    #786
    oceanclub
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    ReMb2

    http://imgur.com/a/ReMb2

    Hi there,

    Appreciate if anyone could make out the female witness' surname.

    P.


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    #787
    BigCon
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    Bridget Bernie? Sernie?


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    #788
    mickmackey1
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    Beirne I would say, a fairly common variation.


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    #789
    Johnboy1951
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    oceanclub wrote: »
    ReMb2

    http://imgur.com/a/ReMb2

    Hi there,

    Appreciate if anyone could make out the female witness' surname.

    P.

    Based on the capital 'B' and 'S' used elsewhere in the same document I would reckon

    Bridget Bernie


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    #790
    Hermy
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    Looking for help with some bad handwriting on the civil marriage record of Jeremiah Delahunty and Hannah O'Brien married in Clonmel in 1890.
    I can't make out the place of marriage or residences of the groom and bride.
    Also, I suspect the groom may have been previously married but I'm not sure does it say widower or something else under condition.

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    #791
    Hermy
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    Also, is the place of birth Claran for their son Edmund born 1892?

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    #792
    mickmackey1
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    Would make a stab at place of marriage being Powerstown, on the outskirts of Clonmel and definitely widower.


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    #793
    Whereisgerry?
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    Hi,
    Could anyone try to work out which church this wedding was in? I believe the marriage was in north Dublin city but I can't make it out.


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    #794
    Whereisgerry?
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    Hi,
    Could anyone try to work out which church this wedding was in? I believe the marriage was in north Dublin city but I can't make it out.


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    #795
    TheQuietFella
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    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Based on the capital 'B' and 'S' used elsewhere in the same document I would reckon

    Bridget Bernie

    Essie?


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    #796
    mickmackey1
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    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    Hi,
    Could anyone try to work out which church this wedding was in? I believe the marriage was in north Dublin city but I can't make it out.
    Marlborough.


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    #797
    BowWow
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    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    Hi,
    Could anyone try to work out which church this wedding was in? I believe the marriage was in north Dublin city but I can't make it out.

    St. Josephs, Berkley Road - have a read of this thread -

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79364027


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    #798
    Hermy
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    mickmackey1 wrote: »
    Would make a stab at place of marriage being Powerstown, on the outskirts of Clonmel and definitely widower.

    Thanks mick. I can see Powerstown now you mention it but not widower though I don't disagree with you that that's what it says.:o

    Any thoughts for the place of birth of the son?

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    #799
    Whereisgerry?
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Whereisgerry?


    BowWow wrote: »
    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    Hi,
    Could anyone try to work out which church this wedding was in? I believe the marriage was in north Dublin city but I can't make it out.

    St. Josephs, Berkley Road - have a read of this thread -

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79364027

    Amazing! Thanks so much. That adds up perfectly. The grooms parents also married in that church.


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    #800
    BowWow
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    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    Amazing! Thanks so much. That adds up perfectly. The grooms parents also married in that church.

    Several of my family too, on both sides - finding the thread I referenced really helped me out.


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    #801
    pedroeibar1
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    pinkypinky wrote: »
    Second marriage down on this page

    What do you read for the first witness?

    Also the address of the groom and bride's mother's surname?

    Witnesses – Murricane and Margaret Sweeney
    Residences Riverside and Rope Walk
    Bride & Groom of Mall and Rope Walk.
    Bride’s mother is Maria - she does not have her surname listed, parents are described as 'Michael & Maria Burns (?)


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    #802
    pedroeibar1
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    Hermy wrote: »

    Any thoughts for the place of birth of the son?

    Could it be Cloon? (from Cluan = a meadow)


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    #803
    Hermy
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    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    Could it be Cloon? (from Cluan = a meadow)

    Yes I see that now.

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    #804
    oceanclub
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    http://imgur.com/a/fazjl

    Can anyone make out the sponsors please: "? and Mary Wixted"?

    P.


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    #805
    pinkypinky
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    Colin?

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    #806
    Hermy
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    Cole?

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    #807
    KildareFan
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    Jno Pole and Mary Wixted?


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    #808
    oceanclub
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    John Cole and Mary or Norry Wixted perhaps....


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    #809
    KildareFan
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    I go for Pole - the P in Philip and the first letter of Pole are identical.


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    #810
    Jellybaby1
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    I'd say John Pole and Norry or Mary Wixtead.


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    #811
    alwaysadub
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    https://imgur.com/gallery/yJjoY

    Hi, I originally thought this said foot master, now I'm not so sure. Its from a workhouse record if anyone has any ideas!


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