Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

VirginiaB

Definitely Gallagher, I'd say. I've gone cross-eyed looking at Philadelphia city directories today for these four people--bride, groom, witnesses--and no useful results.

DunnoKidz

any luck in the newspapers? ...some old wedding announcements mentioned guests in the post

VirginiaB

I'll look but Katie Powell was very unlikely to be in the newspapers as a wedding guest. But I will search the addresses on the marriage license which can turn up some interesting bits.

spurious

Do you know did they stay in Plhiladelphia long? Might censuses before and after help?

oceanclub

There's two records of an Ellen Moloney seemingly born to Jer (Jeremiah) Moloney & Ellen Flynn.

Previously I found this one via FindMyPast:

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Molony
Baptism date 14 Apr 1846
Parish Murroe, Boher and Abington
Father's first name(s) Jemmicas
Father's last name Molony
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Mother's last name Flynn



Today while looking for another relative, I found a record from March 1849 for what looks like an Ellen Moloney from same parents:



Can anyone accurately make out what each says - what do you think? Perhaps the 1st Ellen died? Or are the fathers different?

Would appreciate if anyone can make out the godparents too - seem to be none for 1846, for 1849 its ??? Molony & Johanne (sp?) Flynn?

P.

spurious

Looks like Ellen Rice for a sponsor on the top one and Daniel Molony and Johanna Flynn on the second one.
The father on the second one looks like James to me.

VirginiaB

spurious wrote: »

Do you know did they stay in Plhiladelphia long? Might censuses before and after help?

They virtually disappeared. Have searched censuses in the US and UK, Philadelphia city directories etc. Katie turns up again, says she is married but no definite sign ever of Walter George Phillips. I wonder if he did a runner.

Katie, now Kathryn, is on several NY passenger ship records working as a companion or nurse to various wealthy people. She gives her US reference as Thomas A Powell, my great-grandfather, who lived in Brooklyn with wife and children.

She was headed for Philly and I think I have her there in the 1930 US census but no death record.

tabbey

oceanclub wrote: »

There's two records of an Ellen Moloney seemingly born to Jer (Jeremiah) Moloney & Ellen Flynn.

Previously I found this one via FindMyPast:

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Molony
Baptism date 14 Apr 1846
Parish Murroe, Boher and Abington
Father's first name(s) Jemmicas
Father's last name Molony
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Mother's last name Flynn



Today while looking for another relative, I found a record from March 1849 for what looks like an Ellen Moloney from same parents:



Can anyone accurately make out what each says - what do you think? Perhaps the 1st Ellen died? Or are the fathers different?

Would appreciate if anyone can make out the godparents too - seem to be none for 1846, for 1849 its ??? Molony & Johanne (sp?) Flynn?

P.

It was standard practice for the next child of the same gender, to receive the name of his/her deceased sibling.

oceanclub

tabbey wrote: »

It was standard practice for the next child of the same gender, to receive the name of his/her deceased sibling.

Yup, I suspected that - do you think that _both_ fathers are Jeremiah in this instance? One person thought one might be James. But I reckon the above scenario is more likely than a James and Jeremiah Moloney _both_ marrying
an Ellen Flynn in a small town.

P.

tabbey

oceanclub wrote: »

Yup, I suspected that - do you think that _both_ fathers are Jeremiah in this instance? One person thought one might be James. But I reckon the above scenario is more likely than a James and Jeremiah Moloney _both_ marrying
an Ellen Flynn in a small town.P.

Probably the same man, but it is impossible to be sure.

Hermy

Looking for help with a memorial from the Registry of Deeds.

The text up to the parts I can't decipher reads as follows...

372721
To the Registrar appointed by Act of Parliament for registering deeds and so forth, a memorial of an indentured deed of reconveyance of a mortgage bearing date the 20th day of October 1803 and made between Thomas Mall of Urquhan, Esquire, grandson and heir at law of Thomas Mall, deceased, and Urquhart Thomson of the City of Dublin, merchant, ______________ of said Thomas Mall of the first part, Catherine Mall, ______________, now of Elizabeth Archer, late of Prospect, deceased, of the second part...

I haven't come across the phrase before and it appears to be the same in both cases but I can't make it out.





The full image is available here.

pedroeibar1

It's ' admin. de bonis non' - It relates to property transfer based on a will. It is version of 'de bonis non administratis', Latin for "of goods not administered". It refers to assets remaining in an estate after the death or removal of the estate administrator. The second administrator is called the 'administrator de bonis non' and distributes the remaining assets.
I'll bow to the interpretation of Perigrenus, who will no doubt have a view.:)

Hermy

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I'll bow to the interpretation of Perigrenus, who will no doubt have a view.:)

Again and again I have to bow to the collective knowledge on this forum!:)

Thanks Pedro!

oceanclub

Grateful for help with one part of this one:



I can make out everything for Margaret Moloney on the 13th April, bar one of the godparents. Any idea what that text before "Anne Flynn" is?

"13th Magt for Jeremias Moloney - Ellen Flynn ? ???? Anne Flynn"

Possible surname is Ryan?

P.

spurious

I think it says Paul and Anne Flynn.

Jellybaby1

I'd go for:

13th Margaret dau (daughter of) Jeremiah (?) Moloney and Ellen Flynn.
sponsors may be Paul (Pawl?) and Anne Flynn.

Honestly not even sure about Jeremiah as the J looks like a G. Best I can do.

turninggreen

Hi,

Anybody able to do a translation on the following, bottom of page, left hand side Martinus Murphy, parents Richard & Catherine Murphy.

https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=ire%2fprs%2fmicrofilm04196-11%2f0057&parentid=ire%2fprs%2fbap%2f3980967

(1) Can anybody read the olim name for me?
(2) The godparents names for me?
(3) what is the 'conjugum a me' field and name written there. Is that the priest name?


Many Thanks

pinkypinky

Thread merged: please post these queries in the specific thread.

1. Walsh (mother's birth surname)
2. Patrick and Helen Rourke
3. Means that the parents are a married couple. The priest's name is after that.

turninggreen

Thanks for that. Apologies for wrong thread

pinkypinky

No problem at all. All mods wish their job was just merging threads!

srmf5

Looking for help with reading this. It was on a sheet in my granddad's house. It says: The last of the Hy Many ... died in 1898 so the CDB bought the land.
I can't figure out what the word is after Many. It looks like there's a dot after the word so maybe it's some sort of abbreviation?

mickmackey1

I think it's a colloquial word for, ahem.... protestants.

pinkypinky

Agree!

srmf5

Ah ... I see thank ye both for that. Hope no one's offended. All that I could make out was pirds. I'd say that's probably right given the context since there are still Hy Many people alive today. Hmm I wonder where that land was. Anyway thanks for clearing that up.

Jellybaby1

In my youth I was known as the local Proddy-woddy amongst the local kids! Wikipedia says "Uí Maine, often Anglicised as Hy Many, was one of the oldest and largest kingdoms located in Connacht, Ireland." the historians here are better able to explain more I'm sure but I'm also curious to know what C.D.B. means? County board or council maybe?

srmf5

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

In my youth I was known as the local Proddy-woddy amongst the local kids! Wikipedia says "Uí Maine, often Anglicised as Hy Many, was one of the oldest and largest kingdoms located in Connacht, Ireland." the historians here are better able to explain more I'm sure but I'm also curious to know what C.D.B. means? County board or council maybe?

I believe CDB stands for the Congested Districts Board.

According to Wikipedia: The C.D.B. was authorised to purchase extra land from large estates to enlarge the small holdings of tenants. In 1909, it was granted compulsory powers of purchase and began redistributing over 1,000 estates totalling 2,000,000 acres (8,100 km2).

Well at least I know that my granddad didn't write it since it wasn't his writing (as well as the fact that they refer to themselves as once being a 'wee lass'. My mum's reaction to hearing the word was, 'How nice ...'

spurious

I gather this was a private baptism, but does the Latin give any further information?

pedroeibar1

spurious wrote: »

I gather this was a private baptism, but does the Latin give any further information?

Yes, it was a private baptism (i.e. not in a church). It's also a 'conditional baptism'.

Jellybaby1

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Yes, it was a private baptism (i.e. not in a church). It's also a 'conditional baptism'.

I'm reading 'Sub-conditional'. Is that different?

KildareFan

Sub conditione is a Latin term meaning “under the condition.” You may encounter the term in Roman-Catholic baptismal records in cases when the midwife performed an emergency baptism. If the child lived, the child would be baptized again by the priest, under the condition that he was able to receive the baptism [from https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/sub-conditione/]