Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

Family2010

Yes That is a possibility - I added 3 more images if you can have a look please
Thanks
Simon

pinkypinky

Looks more like Verton in one of them.

Can you put in the link to the whole page?

Family2010

pinkypinky wrote: »

Looks more like Verton in one of them.

Can you put in the link to the whole page?

Here are links to pages each with a birth to James Cleere/Clear and his wife Mary ??????
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635288#page/92/mode/1up
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635288#page/95/mode/1up
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635288#page/98/mode/1up
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635289#page/16/mode/1up
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635289#page/27/mode/1up

Thanks for your help

pinkypinky

Could the first letter be a weird ampersand?

Family2010

pinkypinky wrote: »

Could the first letter be a weird ampersand?

Yes looks a bit like that. In some places I think the first letter may be a V while othertimes seems more like an N ?
Apart from the first letter are the other letters estin ? which make me wonder could the name be Jestin ?

pinkypinky

Could be "ertin" as well but why wouldn't it be capitalised?

Wyldwood

Certainly looks like Vestin/Vesten but I wonder could it be Westin? Was this lady Irish? Could a foreign accent have been involved? Have you found marriage record? Can't see anything on Ancestry that matches.

Wyldwood

Having had a look at civil records on Irish Genealogy there were a lot of Vanstons in the Abbeyleix reg. district, could that be it?

spurious

Looks like Westin to me.

Family2010

Wyldwood wrote: »

Certainly looks like Vestin/Vesten but I wonder could it be Westin? Was this lady Irish? Could a foreign accent have been involved? Have you found marriage record? Can't see anything on Ancestry that matches.

This lady is a bit of a mystery - have also heard that she may have been a French Governess - searched high and low and have not found the marriage record.
Their first child was born in January 1846 so marriage had to occur before March 1845.

Family2010

Wyldwood wrote: »

Having had a look at civil records on Irish Genealogy there were a lot of Vanstons in the Abbeyleix reg. district, could that be it?

Considered Vanston but seems to have too many letters?

Family2010

Wyldwood wrote: »

Certainly looks like Vestin/Vesten but I wonder could it be Westin? Was this lady Irish? Could a foreign accent have been involved? Have you found marriage record? Can't see anything on Ancestry that matches.

Had not considered Westin - will go back and look at how that Priest wrote his Capital W

spurious

There is a William on one of the pages you quoted.

Family2010

pinkypinky wrote: »

Could be "ertin" as well but why wouldn't it be capitalised?

No - was asking if all agreed that the letters after the Capital (V, N or whatever) were estin ? Thanks

Family2010

spurious wrote: »

There is a William on one of the pages you quoted.

Yes on page 95 theres a few Williams and a Whelan or two and for me they are not the same ; have a look at the bottom of page 95 on the left hans side - there's a Nolan - is the N similar to the capital in her name ? I think that the N starts on the base line so do not think it looks right. It is hard to find a capital V to compare

Vetch

Family2010 wrote: »

Yes on page 95 theres a few Williams and a Whelan or two and for me they are not the same ; have a look at the bottom of page 95 on the left hans side - there's a Nolan - is the N similar to the capital in her name ?

All the entries look like they start with V - Viston, Visten. One of the sponsors on John Cleere's baptism seems to be Margaret Visten?

Family2010

Vetch wrote: »

All the entries look like they start with V - Viston, Visten. One of the sponsors on John Cleere's baptism seems to be Margaret Visten?

I saw that Margaret and the more I look at it again now the more I think that its a V. As I have no marriage for them I do not know what parish she would have lived in ( giving credence to her being a French Governess) and have nowhere to look for the Visten/Vestin name. But Mary and Margaret are good Irish names and that part leads me away from the French connection. Will go an look in records for Viston/Vestin anywhere in the neighbouring counties


Just had a look on Irish Genealogy and only similar matching name that comes up is Vestor - a birth and a death in Galway and in 1901 census in Dublin a Galway born Bridget Vestor aged 19. Will look further into this name Thanks

spurious

There were Westons in Mountmellick.

Family2010

Family2010 wrote: »

I saw that Margaret and the more I look at it again now the more I think that its a V. As I have no marriage for them I do not know what parish she would have lived in ( giving credence to her being a French Governess) and have nowhere to look for the Visten/Vestin name. But Mary and Margaret are good Irish names and that part leads me away from the French connection. Will go an look in records for Viston/Vestin anywhere in the neighbouring counties


Just had a look on Irish Genealogy and only similar matching name that comes up is Vestor - a birth and a death in Galway and in 1901 census in Dublin a Galway born Bridget Vestor aged 19. Will look further into this name Thanks

When I look at the handwriting there I think it is not Vestor but Nestor and theres lots of Nestors in Glaway, Clare Limerick etc. No Nestors near Aghaboe

Wyldwood

I think it's a V, if you look at the Nolan on the top of Mary's baptism page the N is swept up from the bottom whereas the V begins at the top. Also on James' baptism it's clearly a V for both Mary & Margaret?

oceanclub

There's something in brackets on the Jane Wixted record here (almost halfway down right hand page) that looks like "(acatholicii)":

https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=ire%2fprs%2fmicrofilm02494-04%2f0022&parentid=ire%2fprs%2fbap%2f0227555

Any idea what that indicates?

P.

mickmackey1

I'd imagine it means Protestant or at least non-Catholic. The Acattolici cemetery in Rome was for non-Catholic residents or even tourists who died while visiting the city.

oceanclub

mickmackey1 wrote: »

I'd imagine it means Protestant or at least non-Catholic. The Acattolici cemetery in Rome was for non-Catholic residents or even tourists who died while visiting the city.

Thanks - I presume in the position given, it referred to the mother of the baptised?

P.

oceanclub

Has anyone heard of "Gillan" being an alternative name for William? I know that in Latin, "Gulielmus" is William.

For example, the following illegitimate child is shown as what looks like "Gillan" or "Gillon" in the baptism record:

https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=IRE/PRS/BAP/0428873

I thought this was Gillian, but then that does not really seem to be a common name in Tipp/Limerick of last century.

Now a distant relative thinks they're pretty sure that is actually a indirect ancestor of theirs, William (his half-brother being their direct ancestor).

Does that sound plausible?

P.

srmf5

oceanclub wrote: »

Has anyone heard of "Gillan" being an alternative name for William? I know that in Latin, "Gulielmus" is William.

For example, the following illegitimate child is shown as what looks like "Gillan" or "Gillon" in the baptism record:

https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=IRE/PRS/BAP/0428873

I thought this was Gillian, but then that does not really seem to be a common name in Tipp/Limerick of last century.

Now a distant relative thinks they're pretty sure that is actually a indirect ancestor of theirs, William (his half-brother being their direct ancestor).

Does that sound plausible?

P.

I'd say that it probably is the Latin for William. It's probably just spelt wrong. If you look at the original register, there's another entry with Gillon.

iomusicdublin

Can anyone decipher this please

Vetch

iomusicdublin wrote: »

Can anyone decipher this please

Drumhay
Newbliss
Drumgole
Rockcorry

Vetch

oceanclub wrote: »

Has anyone heard of "Gillan" being an alternative name for William? I know that in Latin, "Gulielmus" is William.

For example, the following illegitimate child is shown as what looks like "Gillan" or "Gillon" in the baptism record:

https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=IRE/PRS/BAP/0428873

I thought this was Gillian, but then that does not really seem to be a common name in Tipp/Limerick of last century.

Now a distant relative thinks they're pretty sure that is actually a indirect ancestor of theirs, William (his half-brother being their direct ancestor).

Does that sound plausible?

P.

There are other entries for Gillan / Gillon / Gillin and William is also listed in some entries. Any of the other entries I looked at are in English. Would suggest seeing if you can track one of them forward, maybe in a marriage record, to see what they are listed as.

iomusicdublin

Vetch wrote: »

Drumhay
Newbliss
Drumgole
Rockcorry

thanks

how did you do that?

I had drumahair leitrim and drumgole roscommon

Jellybaby1

iomusicdublin wrote: »

thanks

how did you do that?

I had drumahair leitrim and drumgole roscommon

I got the same as Vetch. Its just what the eyes see. That's why this thread is so good. Best to have more eyes on the job.