10 reasons why IRL should say no to IAG on their Aer Lingus offer

Impetus

hfallada wrote: »

Because TD seem to think that its the 1980s and is still one of the most important airports in the Europe/ the world. Yet most young people use the cheaper London airports because of Ryanair.Most business travellers use the more convenient London city for flying into London. Most people going to Asia or Australia now connect via Dubai, as the flights are cheaper and the planes are better than most European Airlines.

Most TD probably havent flown Ryanair or any non-European airlines. The Airline industry is completely different post 9/11. They still seem to think Heathrow is the most important Airport in the world and Aer Lingus is the best airline. When Aer Lingus is more like a more expensive version of Ryanair with long haul.

If the number of flights to Heathrow was halved tomorrow. Most business travellers/leisure flyers wouldnt be bothered in the slightest. They would use other london Airports or connect in different European cities. Heathrow is a horrific airport. The fact that most of Aer Lingus long Haul growth came from people in the UK, flying to Dublin, then flying to the US. Rather than going from Heathrow direct highlights that

At the moment, GB's escaping Heathrow to use DUB to fly transatlantic is tiny in the scheme of things - ie it is manageable within existing resources. Something like 35% of Aer Lingus's transatlantic PAX volume is not commencing their journey in IRL/NI. A traffic diversion via DUB by BA would completely change the scale of movements at Dublin. If that diversion of people does not take place, where are the jobs going to come from? (ie the political promise).

Impetus

IAG/BA’s offer wants to limit landing fee increases – so there will be little or no new money to pay for new runway(s) and terminal(s).

Mr Walsh and Co wants to have their cake and eat it.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/airport-charges-deal-could-end-the-aer-lingus-saga-31066823.html

Impetus

And BA is very expensive, especially considering the poor quality of the experience they provide in the air and on the ground, in my view. Their website is showing a lowest fare from LHR to JFK tomorrow (one way) of EUR 1'645. Business class is EUR 7'240.

Compare and contrast with Aer Lingus where the fares on offer today for tomorrow are EUR 495,71 economy and EUR 3'019,71 business.

EI would be far better off spending money on its websites and doing deals with other airlines (eg Ryanair) to offer connecting services from more continental European destinations via IRL if it wants to increase load factors on transatlantic.

I have come across many people on my travels who make up their own connections - eg via Ryanair from the Continent to Dublin and onwards via EI on transatlantic leg - and find it a better experience and cheaper - even if it involves a hotel overnight. Aer Lingus could be selling overnights at Dublin airport hotels to increase the connectivity grid for starters - hotel built into the price offered with seamless reservation into the hotel system.

Icepick

Stop talking about this as if the government owned 100% or even 51% of Aer Lingus.
Even Ryanair has more shares.

L1011

Impetus wrote: »

They (slots) only matter to me because the offer price for the company barely covers the value of the slot pairs allocated to Aer Lingus.

This is only the case if you assume that each slot can be sold singly for the $20m value SAS got for their first recently sold paid

As their second sale for $6m shows, as soon as you start selling multiple the value collapses. They could never get $20 for each slot.

Impetus

L1011 wrote: »

This is only the case if you assume that each slot can be sold singly for the $20m value SAS got for their first recently sold paid

As their second sale for $6m shows, as soon as you start selling multiple the value collapses. They could never get $20 for each slot.

Emirates and Co can land and take-off an Airbus A-380 using a single slot pair at LHR, and this aircraft can take around 800 PAX to UAE - where there is unlimited airport space, airside ***** hotels, and the trip typically costs a fraction of the cost of BA or similar airlines. I travel a fair bit, and I would like to spend time in UAE/Dubai on most trips. However I usually end up landing, spending an hour or so in a lounge, consuming champagne and salmon gravlax and moving on. At a fraction of the cost that BA would charge on the same route. With 10X better service.

Even Richard Branson has stated that a BA takeover of Aer Lingus would lead to higher fares. After a few flights on Virgin to China, I suggested to Branson that he take legal / GB-ASA action against BA for their then claim that they were the "world's favorite airline". Branson would have none of it. So it seems to me that Branson is really happy with BA's actions to dominate the marketplace, juised up by Anglo Saxon world domination/racism agenda - in the global context?

Irish politicians seem to be similarly poised to "juice up" the Anglo Saxon / IAG control over Ireland's transport infrastructure and as a result impost higher air fares (going back to the bad old days) on people travelling to/from Ireland.

May those politicians rot in hell, along with those who contributed to the property problem in Ireland. Speaking as a non-victim of same.

Farmer Pudsey

Impetus wrote: »

Emirates and Co can land and take-off an Airbus A-380 using a single slot pair at LHR, and this aircraft can take around 800 PAX to UAE - where there is unlimited airport space, airside ***** hotels, and the trip typically costs a fraction of the cost of BA or similar airlines. I travel a fair bit, and I would like to spend time in UAE/Dubai on most trips. However I usually end up landing, spending an hour or so in a lounge, consuming champagne and salmon gravlax and moving on. At a fraction of the cost that BA would charge on the same route. With 10X better service.

Even Richard Branson has stated that a BA takeover of Aer Lingus would lead to higher fares. After a few flights on Virgin to China, I suggested to Branson that he take legal / GB-ASA action against BA for their then claim that they were the "world's favorite airline". Branson would have none of it. So it seems to me that Branson is really happy with BA's actions to dominate the marketplace, juised up by Anglo Saxon world domination/racism agenda - in the global context?

Irish politicians seem to be similarly poised to "juice up" the Anglo Saxon / IAG control over Ireland's transport infrastructure and as a result impost higher air fares (going back to the bad old days) on people travelling to/from Ireland.

May those politicians rot in hell, along with those who contributed to the property problem in Ireland. Speaking as a non-victim of same.

What a load of tripe.

Impetus

If the sale of Aer Lingus to IAG is allowed to go ahead, the cost of air travel to/from Ireland will double. Especially to/from North America and GB. Airline crews won’t benefit from these higher prices – quite the opposite with complaining passengers. The extra cash will go into a dark pool.
BA business class to JFK is currently EUR 7’167 equivalent. Because they can get away with it. (Shortage of runway slots etc). BA “Economy” one way is EUR 1,630.

Aer Lingus economy to JFK is EUR 735 on the same date. Or €2’418 business.

BA prices are 2x to 3x higher than Aer Lingus.
The quality of service is horrible on BA, as it is on US airlines. And the security paranoia creates needless hassle for ordinary, non-“terrorist” travellers.

Britain and America created “terrorism” by their invasion and attempted cultural take-over of other countries. There would have been no IRA if GB behaved in a civilised manner (eg like Switzerland). And there would be no ISIS if GB/US did not attempt to steal control of Iraq under the “weapons of mass destruction” lie.

As an Irish citizen I do not want my national airline to be taken over by this lot. Period.I like neutrality. And I don’t want a national airline to be owned by a foreign based company in the event of a Brexit. (Not to be confused with a GRexit – because the Greeks have loved being Europeans for centuries). And I don’t want to increase the risk of travel by becoming a victim of terrorism by some poor disenfranchised group of people who get confused and mix up Aer Lingus with Britishness.

It seems to me that the gov.ie and EU competition authorities have been clueless on the competition impact of this transaction. And Ireland has been clueless about the impact on Irish airports of the event in terms of handling PAX flow, and extra runway movements and how service levels will fall and queues will increase as people who have zero interest in visiting Ireland get pumped through a non-system devised by Willie Walsh & co.
US multi-nationals based in Ireland have picked Ireland because it is easy to get to and from the US. The proposed IAG transaction will bring hell to the traveller to/from the US.

Allowing IAG to steal Aer Lingus and its brand, will probably cost Ireland more than the post Celtic Tiger era debt.

This "deal" is just an under-priced acquisition of the goodwill of a neutral state airline by another airline which is based in a country that are hated by by probably 50% of the population of the planet. It is impossible to put a price on Aer Lingus's goodwill, in this context.

The politicians who allow the transaction to take place deserve to be put on the firing line, and taken out by expert marksmen, at the earliest ballot box opportunity.

Gloomtastic!

Eh, aren't you a few months late with your little rant? The deal is done!

jimmycrackcorm

Impetus wrote:

As an Irish citizen I do not want my national airline to be taken over by this lot. Period.I like neutrality. And I don’t want a national airline to be owned by a foreign based company in the event of a Brexit. (Not to be confused with a GRexit – because the Greeks have loved being Europeans for centuries). And I don’t want to increase the risk of travel by becoming a victim of terrorism by some poor disenfranchised group of people who get confused and mix up Aer Lingus with Britishness.

In case you didn't realize it, Aer Lingus hasn't been our national airline for many years. You could consider that Ryanair is. Also the last few times I flew to the U.S. other airlines were much cheaper.

hytrogen

So like the banks everything should be nationalized? And where exactly will that get us?
National Health service is worse than a considered 3rd world country (first hand experience, go to Cuba or Kenya; top rate quality health service which is apologetic for costing so much and a delay of 3 days to get a scan, same scan in HSE 8month waiting list!!)
So prices go up, inflation caused by very cheap interest and cheap credit. We're running out of fossil fuels and clean air, don't even mention water!
More competition and the flexibility of a corporate structure without so many pigeons from the Dail with their fingers in the mud means it'll turn a profit finally!
And don't even get me started on how mundane and backwards the unions are!!!

Dob74

hytrogen wrote: »

So like the banks everything should be nationalized? And where exactly will that get us?
National Health service is worse than a considered 3rd world country (first hand experience, go to Cuba or Kenya; top rate quality health service which is apologetic for costing so much and a delay of 3 days to get a scan, same scan in HSE 8month waiting list!!)
So prices go up, inflation caused by very cheap interest and cheap credit. We're running out of fossil fuels and clean air, don't even mention water!
More competition and the flexibility of a corporate structure without so many pigeons from the Dail with their fingers in the mud means it'll turn a profit finally!
And don't even get me started on how mundane and backwards the unions are!!!

Aer lingus makes a profit. How in God's name can the competition authority above this takeover. Just shows what a joke the eu is. When it comes to core principles like competition , a blind eye will be turned as long as you are a preferred business.

Jim2007

Dob74 wrote: »

Aer lingus makes a profit. How in God's name can the competition authority above this takeover. Just shows what a joke the eu is. When it comes to core principles like competition , a blind eye will be turned as long as you are a preferred business.

Before mentioning jokes, I'd suggest spend some time studying the topic, you'll be amazed at what you discover!

Dob74

Jim2007 wrote:

Before mentioning jokes, I'd suggest spend some time studying the topic, you'll be amazed at what you discover!

Like what? Love flying ba to the states but now with the only irish competitor out of the way they can charge what they want. Why sell a profitable airline at the end of a recession. It's fine Gael selling off state assets on the cheap.

Dob74

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

In case you didn't realize it, Aer Lingus hasn't been our national airline for many years. You could consider that Ryanair is. Also the last few times I flew to the U.S. other airlines were much cheaper.

And sadly with competition taken out of the market flights to the states will go up. I personally don't like flying AL. But the British version of it taking it over won't be an improvement.

WheatenBriar

I think it's inevitable that flights to the U.S will become more expensive as AA,BA and EI will no longer be competing
A number of smaller carriers to Canada in summer time may mitigate that to a small extent but continental are unlikely to compete when there's money to be made
Ryanair and others will keep prices to the UK and Europe lower,so no worries there

On the net jobs front,it's all good though, and there may be some spin off via more one world alliance passengers visiting Ireland en route to Europe

Seth Brundle

Dob74 wrote: »

Why sell a profitable airline at the end of a recession. It's fine Gael selling off state assets on the cheap.

It was privatised in 2006 long before FG had the opportunity to have a say.

Do you object to BA taking control of AL or that it was sold off?

Jim2007

Dob74 wrote: »

Like what? Love flying ba to the states but now with the only irish competitor out of the way they can charge what they want. Why sell a profitable airline at the end of a recession. It's fine Gael selling off state assets on the cheap.

There are sufficient carriers around to ensure competition. As for profitability, that is doubtful as it falls to questionable accounting rules in most cases. In general airlines are basket cases and you should not own one unless you have to.

Riskymove

on a random search of airfares BA via London comes up cheaper than Aer Lingus direct

in another it is an extra €40

Dob74

kbannon wrote:

Do you object to BA taking control of AL or that it was sold off?

A competitor taking over is my problem. If you fly to the states and are not from dub. Flying ba through Heathrow is the easiest way to travel. Since Cork is completely dependent on US companies it is critical that this route is protected. In 7 years it's gone.
For some reason people in Dublin seem to be kidding themselves that ba will continue the frequency of flights.
Just shows that this country is run by a bunch of degenerate gambles who would sell state assets on the cheap for short term gain.

Seth Brundle

Dob74 wrote: »

Just shows that this country is run by a bunch of degenerate gambles who would sell state assets on the cheap for short term gain.

Well why post now about it now?
Where are all your posts from before it was privatised years ago?
You're seven or so years too late to show faux outrage!

Dob74

Riskymove wrote:

on a random search of airfares BA via London comes up cheaper than Aer Lingus direct

Riskymove wrote:

in another it is an extra €40

Nearly Always cheaper to go with BA. Bet they will be priced the same in the near future

Dob74

Where are all your posts from before it was privatised years ago? /quote]

On a server some where I assume.

The 30% stake still protects the landing slots in Heathrow. To sell them for 300 million is pretty cheap.

Gloomtastic!

In seven years time, the biggest employer in Cork, Apple, will probably be running the world so it won't be an issue!

realitykeeper

Its a pity Ryanair was blocked from completing the takeover, had they succeeded the cost of long distance flights would have come down a lot. I am not persuaded "competition" was an adequate excuse for blocking a takeover by Ryanair. After all, the aviation industry is international by nature. Besides, if the Irish and British governments were genuinely concerned about monopolies they would privatize everything, but that is politicians for you, hypocritical to the end.

Still, Ryanair will no doubt find another long haul airline to takeover, most likely some state owned basket case. That reminds me, fairplay to Ryanair for helping the Greeks out in their hour of need with their 5 euro fares (not that the Greeks deserve it). Also nice to know Ryanair made a tidy profit on their Aer Lingus shares. So pop the corks and raise your glasses: To Ryanair!

ScottSF

Another loss for flights to/from the U.S. is that Aer Lingus was a partner with multiple airline alliances. They didn't belong to any. So you could book a connecting flight with United Airlines + Aer Lingus on one ticket for example.

So unless a Star Alliance airline offers a new flight from Dublin to London, that option would be off the table for travelers that are frequent fliers on SA. So if a direct Ireland flight is not optimal for a trip, you'll have to connect via Zurich or Frankfurt or Copenhagen. Obviously London is a better hub to avoid flying a extra hours in the wrong direction when going to the USA

Again as stated above, fewer options can lead to higher prices.

Farmer Pudsey

Impetus wrote: »

If the sale of Aer Lingus to IAG is allowed to go ahead, the cost of air travel to/from Ireland will double. Especially to/from North America and GB. Airline crews won’t benefit from these higher prices – quite the opposite with complaining passengers. The extra cash will go into a dark pool.
BA business class to JFK is currently EUR 7’167 equivalent. Because they can get away with it. (Shortage of runway slots etc). BA “Economy” one way is EUR 1,630.

Aer Lingus economy to JFK is EUR 735 on the same date. Or €2’418 business.

BA prices are 2x to 3x higher than Aer Lingus.
The quality of service is horrible on BA, as it is on US airlines. And the security paranoia creates needless hassle for ordinary, non-“terrorist” travellers.

Britain and America created “terrorism” by their invasion and attempted cultural take-over of other countries. There would have been no IRA if GB behaved in a civilised manner (eg like Switzerland). And there would be no ISIS if GB/US did not attempt to steal control of Iraq under the “weapons of mass destruction” lie.

As an Irish citizen I do not want my national airline to be taken over by this lot. Period.I like neutrality. And I don’t want a national airline to be owned by a foreign based company in the event of a Brexit. (Not to be confused with a GRexit – because the Greeks have loved being Europeans for centuries). And I don’t want to increase the risk of travel by becoming a victim of terrorism by some poor disenfranchised group of people who get confused and mix up Aer Lingus with Britishness.

It seems to me that the gov.ie and EU competition authorities have been clueless on the competition impact of this transaction. And Ireland has been clueless about the impact on Irish airports of the event in terms of handling PAX flow, and extra runway movements and how service levels will fall and queues will increase as people who have zero interest in visiting Ireland get pumped through a non-system devised by Willie Walsh & co.
US multi-nationals based in Ireland have picked Ireland because it is easy to get to and from the US. The proposed IAG transaction will bring hell to the traveller to/from the US.

Allowing IAG to steal Aer Lingus and its brand, will probably cost Ireland more than the post Celtic Tiger era debt.

This "deal" is just an under-priced acquisition of the goodwill of a neutral state airline by another airline which is based in a country that are hated by by probably 50% of the population of the planet. It is impossible to put a price on Aer Lingus's goodwill, in this context.

The politicians who
allow the transaction to take place deserve to be put on the firing line, and taken out by expert marksmen, at the earliest ballot box opportunity.

I see your back again with another load of trollop

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=96096310

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94694432

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94396800

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057376580


The reality is that the deal is a great deal for Ireland Inc. How many times has the country being held to ransome by Aer Lingus. The EU finally stopped them AL from coming cap in hand ever 10 years to cover commercial losses.

AL cannot expand without raisinghuge funds on the market. This market would refuse to lend ( by buying new shares) if it considered taht the government would always limit commercial options. The airline industry is noted by it failures. The giovernment has sold AL maybe not at a profit but still it has offloaded a potential liability. It would be great if it could do the same with the oold bunch of CIE company's.

FreudianSlippers

On North American routes alone, there are minimum 3 airlines in direct competition with EI. To expect IAG won't be competitive via EI on these routes is complete nonsense.

Dob74

FreudianSlippers wrote:

On North American routes alone, there are minimum 3 airlines in direct competition with EI. To expect IAG won't be competitive via EI on these routes is complete nonsense.

Which ones? Mostly if you fly ua or aa it's an Aer Lingus flight.

Impetus

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

On North American routes alone, there are minimum 3 airlines in direct competition with EI. To expect IAG won't be competitive via EI on these routes is complete nonsense.

Competition on airline matters depends on routes. Not everybody competes on all routes. Far from it. US based airlines charge far more than European airlines. BA charges far more than most other European airlines - especially if you are comparing quality of service, cuisine, aircraft condition, and "security politeness" which is appalling at British airports, and little better at Irish airports, especially Dublin - but not limited to Dublin.

Flying the Atlantic from Ireland is going to get a lot more expensive in the post IAG environment for real world events (ie ignoring special offers to fly at super off peak periods).

Baggage handling on connections at British airports is appalling by European standards. Delayed/lost luggage is a big factor at LHR.

FreudianSlippers

Dob74 wrote: »

Which ones? Mostly if you fly ua or aa it's an Aer Lingus flight.

Never heard of AA codesharing with EI. With UA, ORD and IAD are definitely on UA aircraft.

Jawgap

Impetus wrote: »

If the sale of Aer Lingus to IAG is allowed to go ahead, the cost of air travel to/from Ireland will double. ......

....and will still be a lot cheaper than it was 20 years ago when they practically had the monopoly on air travel between here and the UK.

I think it's a great coup for the country and if anything we'll see increased connectivity as BA / IAG look to use Dublin to alleviate some of the pressure on Heathrow.

FreudianSlippers

Impetus wrote: »

Competition on airline matters depends on routes. Not everybody competes on all routes. Far from it. US based airlines charge far more than European airlines. BA charges far more than most other European airlines - especially if you are comparing quality of service, cuisine, aircraft condition, and "security politeness" which is appalling at British airports, and little better at Irish airports, especially Dublin - but not limited to Dublin.

Flying the Atlantic from Ireland is going to get a lot more expensive in the post IAG environment for real world events (ie ignoring special offers to fly at super off peak periods).

Baggage handling on connections at British airports is appalling by European standards. Delayed/lost luggage is a big factor at LHR.

EI is still going to operate as EI out of Ireland on Atlantic routes. They will now compete with UA outside of the codeshare, although they may start code-sharing with AA as a part of oneworld (presumably). Air Canada remains the cheapest option most of the year to fly to N.America and that will not change.

UK airports are moot.

Dob74

FreudianSlippers wrote:

EI is still going to operate as EI out of Ireland on Atlantic routes. They will now compete with UA outside of the codeshare, although they may start code-sharing with AA as a part of oneworld (presumably). Air Canada remains the cheapest option most of the year to fly to N.America and that will not change.

FreudianSlippers wrote:

UK airports are moot.

FreudianSlippers wrote:

EI is still going to operate as EI out of Ireland on Atlantic routes. They will now compete with UA outside of the codeshare, although they may start code-sharing with AA as a part of oneworld (presumably). Air Canada remains the cheapest option most of the year to fly to N.America and that will not change.

EI has only a hand full of direct routes. As for air Canada being cheap I don't think so. I assume they are cheap to Canada but for merica, Try BA or Klm always better priced than EI.

FreudianSlippers

Dob74 wrote: »

EI has only a hand full of direct routes. As for air Canada being cheap I don't think so. I assume they are cheap to Canada but for merica, Try BA or Klm always better priced than EI.

So your argument to support the "fact" EI will raise prices and stifle competition under IAG ownership is that it is cheaper to fly to the USA from another country?

Yeah... so? I'm missing your point here - are you claiming this isn't the case with EI owned by the government/Ryanair?

Your implication that Canada (somehow not counting as trans-Atlantic in your views?) doesn't count is equally ridiculous. Toronto direct with a connection into anywhere in the US is extraordinarily cheap. Even better fly to Calgary of Vancouver BC and connect to the West Coast.

Dob74

FreudianSlippers wrote:

Yeah... so? I'm missing your point here - are you claiming this isn't the case with EI owned by the government/Ryanair?

It's called competition. If you use snn or ork the EI price is a bit less than ba. I have no doubt EI watch the ba price and work from there. now its get ready to be screwed. They can charge what they like.

FreudianSlippers

Dob74 wrote: »

It's called competition. If you use snn or ork the EI price is a bit less than ba. I have no doubt EI watch the ba price and work from there. now its get ready to be screwed. They can charge what they like.

ORK has no routes to North America; are you suggesting that it's cheaper to fly from SNN to London and then to North America via BA?

Otherwise, I think you're losing track of what point you're attempting to make?

Johnnyjump

When the competition from other airlines is removed, BA can then charge what ever they like.

FreudianSlippers

Johnnyjump wrote: »

When the competition from other airlines is removed, BA can then charge what ever they like.

But... am I missing something here? How is the competition on North American routes going to be removed?

On European routes, are you seriously suggesting an IAG owned EI is going to operate in cahoots with Ryanair?

Dob74

FreudianSlippers wrote:

On European routes, are you seriously suggesting an IAG owned EI is going to operate in cahoots with Ryanair?

Two easy ways to go to merica. EI out dub or through Heathrow with BA. Both where separate companies in competition. Now two become one and IAG can charge what they like. Unless they don't like making money of course.

FreudianSlippers

Dob74 wrote: »

Two easy ways to go to merica. EI out dub or through Heathrow with BA. Both where separate companies in competition. Now two become one and IAG can charge what they like. Unless they don't like making money of course.

Have I had a stroke? Seriously.


What about United, American, Delta and Air Canada who all fly direct between North America and Dublin?!

FreudianSlippers

I'm still baffled by the logic that since it's cheaper to fly from Amsterdam to the US, that is somehow proof that EI under IAG is not going to be in competition with UA/AA/DAL/AC

We're talking about flying from Ireland still, right?!

Dob74

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Have I had a stroke? Seriously.


What about United, American, Delta and Air Canada who all fly direct between North America and Dublin?!

What about everyone who doesn't live I dub?
F**k em I suppose is it.

btw aa and ua normally just use ei flights and do not fly into dub

FreudianSlippers

Dob74 wrote: »

What about everyone who doesn't live I dub?
F**k em I suppose is it.

How is that any different than EI not part of IAG?

btw aa and ua normally just use ei flights and do not fly into dub

UA does codeshare some flights but over 50% are UA flights (I've been on them many times)

AA doesn't codeshare at all with EI - you need to supply some proof for this falsehood.

Jawgap

Johnnyjump wrote: »

When the competition from other airlines is removed, BA can then charge what ever they like.

When will that happen? Who is going to remove it?

And what's to stop other airlines coming in to service the Irish market?

Jawgap

Dob74 wrote: »

Two easy ways to go to merica. EI out dub or through Heathrow with BA. Both where separate companies in competition. Now two become one and IAG can charge what they like. Unless they don't like making money of course.

What's wrong with Belfast?

I go through there if DUB doesn't suit or it's too expensive.

K-9

Mod:

Off topic, personal and beneath the standard expected posts removed.

Existing threads on Aer Lingus by the OP merged.

jaymcg91

Dob74 wrote: »

btw aa and ua normally just use ei flights and do not fly into dub

Completely wrong. AA and UA both fly direct from here (AA to New York and Chicago, United to Newark, Washington DC and Chicago).

Godge

Given that Ireland has said YES and that Ryanair has said YES, isn't this thread pointless now?

FreudianSlippers

Godge wrote: »

Given that Ireland has said YES and that Ryanair has said YES, isn't this thread pointless now?

I think it's just that the threads were merged into one with a bad topic headline.