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Marathon 3 weeks after Ironman?
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Then how do you explain Bob Beamon's 1968 Olympic Long jump then? Or the fact that in since then only one person has broken it? Have all the olympic, world championship, national championship etc etc jumper been insufficiently motivated to go for the record? Seriously? All the best long jumpers in the world now lack motivation to break a 20 year old WR? Sometimes phenomenal athletes turn up. It's rare, but it does happen. Kouros is in that category... try reading into the subject and you'll see what I mean (there's lots of interesting stories).
I don't follow athletics and had no idea who Bob Beamon was. So I'm trusting Wikipedia is correct on this. He never jumped remotely near his world record ever again and several favourable factors were in play the day he set his record. That one single jump was a total freak occurrence, not necessarily Bob Beamon himself. However good Kouras might be, he is running in events that the vast, vast majority of runners never do. It's Olympics events that the most promising young runners in any country are going to be attracted to. Anybody who makes the grade is hardly going to give it up to pursue a career in ultra running. It just doesn't have the same financial incentives or prestige. Are there any Olpmic medalists who made the step up to ultra running? If you could name some and depending on how they fared then I might accept I am underestimating the overall standard.Feel free to try to break it
. It'd give me the motivation to get our there and give it another go. For reference, the next two people behind me are both Irish international ultra trail runners.
Like most people who run, I have no interest in ultra running. But nevermind me and I apologise if I'm underestimating your ability, but do you think John Treacy in his prime, or someone of his ilk, wouldn't be capable of breaking it?Ahh FFS man, would you knock it off. There's nothing special about racing an IM. I've raced for Ireland at multiple different events. I've competed at multiple 24 hour world championships, ultra trail world championships, Adventure racing world championships etc etc. I've competed in many races that are listed in "worlds hardest" lists, and I've even gotton on the podium on one or two of them. The harder the race, and the higher the standard the more I love it. Honestly, you're off your head if you think there is anything in the slightrest bit daunting about racing an IM. get over yourself!
I'm trying to post in a polite and civil manner, I'd appreciate if you could do the same.
By racing I mean going fast. And in my case at least, the hard work is done in the months before an Ironman. Try one week of the training that I do, and tell me if it's easy. For me at least I want to do well in an Ironman and it is daunting. Ten 400s can be a daunting session if you want to run them fast.
Kudos to you on your podiums, but you seem to be equating longer with harder, which I don't necessarily agree with. A 4 minute mile is only 4 minutes, but you can be sure as hell it's damn fncking hard.I've no reason to disbelieve that. If you don't think you can do it then you most certainly won't be able to. But don't project that limitation onto everyone else. Everyone is different. Some people naturally have much better recovery and adaptability than others.
I don't think I could do it, because my PB was set after 5 months of dedicated marathon training, and there isn't any chance whatsoever I'd be able to better it without doing the same again. Three weeks after an Ironman, it has nothing to do with believing I could run a PB or not. I know I couldn't. Simple as.
Experienced triathletes have already said on this thread you can't run a good marathon off a season of triathlon training. I'm pretty sure you've never done an ironman, so perhaps you should listen to them.0 -
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Like you said, different for each person, I raced an IM a couple of weeks back, I have always been quick to recover from most events/ races. I was down to race a NS event exactly 3 weeks later and pulled out as I felt it'd weigh me down further, to conclude, 3 weeks was not nearly enough time. But thats just me. I did but a nut at IM though so I guess lots of factors need to be considered. 0
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I don't follow athletics and had no idea who Bob Beamon was. So I'm trusting Wikipedia is correct on this. He never jumped remotely near his world record ever again and several favourable factors were in play the day he set his record. That one single jump was a total freak occurrence, not necessarily Bob Beamon himself. However good Kouras might be, he is running in events that the vast, vast majority of runners never do. It's Olympics events that the most promising young runners in any country are going to be attracted to. Anybody who makes the grade is hardly going to give it up to pursue a career in ultra running. It just doesn't have the same financial incentives or prestige. Are there any Olpmic medalists who made the step up to ultra running? If you could name some and depending on how they fared then I might accept I am underestimating the overall standard.
So IM distance triathalon is of a low standard and couldn't possibly attract any athletes of merit becuase it is not an olympic sport, true?
The vast majority of runners don't race 100 meter sprints either. That doesn't demerit Usain Bolt in any way. In fact the vast majority of athletes don't do any track racing of any distance.
Triathlon is a minority sport, with as near as makes no difference no particpation whatsover outside the developed world. Does that belittle the best triathletes?Like most people who run, I have no interest in ultra running. But nevermind me and I apologise if I'm underestimating your ability, but do you think John Treacy in his prime, or someone of his ilk, wouldn't be capable of breaking it?
It's possible, but I'd say its unlikely. Clearly he was a world class marathon runner. It's highly likely (to say the least) that the marathon was his optimal distance. Since he was also world class at shorter CC races I would guess that makes it unlikely that he would be world class at ultra trail. It's likely that the longer the run beyond marathon, the more he would be running beyond his optimal ability. Usain Bolt is faster than John Treacy, why not suggest him (That's a trite question to try to get the point accross.... the distances are very different. Being good at shorter stuff does not automatically mean being good at longer stuff and vice versa).I'm trying to post in a polite and civil manner, I'd appreciate if you could do the same.
I'm sorry if that came accross as impolite. If we were having the conversation in real life you'd see me smiling as I said it.By racing I mean going fast. And in my case at least, the hard work is done in the months before an Ironman. Try one week of the training that I do, and tell me if it's easy. For me at least I want to do well in an Ironman and it is daunting. Ten 400s can be a daunting session if you want to run them fast.
Kudos to you on your podiums, but you seem to be equating longer with harder, which I don't necessarily agree with. A 4 minute mile is only 4 minutes, but you can be sure as hell it's damn fncking hard.
I'm not trying to be impolite here, but you're making a lot of bizarre assumptions there. I don't know if its the old traditional triathlon exceptionalism thing or what.
But guess what... Other sportpeople outside of IM competitors train hard too.
Do you really think that anything your describing is in any way specific to your IM training. Ten 400s might be daunting to you, but it would just be another speedwork session to me. Nothing in the slightest bit daunting about it (and far from the hardest session I would schedule in for myself). I don't think I've ever found anything about putting in hard training sessions daunting. You had originally said that it was racing IMs which was daunting. Now your saying that its training for IMs which is daunting. Again, I don't see anything particularly daunting.
You want to do well in a non-olympic minority sport, and you find that daunting. I compete against the best in the world in a non-olympic minority sport. I really don't see why you think I would find it so daunting to train and compete in IM.
BTW, you seem to be under the mis-apprehension that I can't move quickly (which is a silly assumption... I've won plenty of shorter races over the years). I know you were training for connemara last year. Want to compare PBs to see who is puts in the more daunting trainingI don't think I could do it, because my PB was set after 5 months of dedicated marathon training, and there isn't any chance whatsoever I'd be able to better it without doing the same again. Three weeks after an Ironman, it has nothing to do with believing I could run a PB or not. I know I couldn't. Simple as.
Experienced triathletes have already said on this thread you can't run a good marathon off a season of triathlon training. I'm pretty sure you've never done an ironman, so perhaps you should listen to them.
Again I absolutely believe that if you know you couldn't then there is no way you could run a marathon PB after an IM. I don't doubt that for a second. However everyone is different. You really shouldn't project your own limitations onto everyone else. There are people out there with better recovery and more adaptability.
Nothing is possible until its done. I've never done an IM. I've done plenty of races much longer (and much shorter) than an IM, and I've found that a lot of what is said "can't be done" is pure BS, from actual experience.0 -
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BTW, you seem to be under the mis-apprehension that I can't move quickly (which is a silly assumption... I've won plenty of shorter races over the years). I know you were training for connemara last year. Want to compare PBs to see who is puts in the more daunting training
Actually I figured that one out. You've done the more daunting training
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