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Sanctity of Life (Abortion Megathread)

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    #542
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    lazygal wrote: »
    She did ask for an abortion. Is that irrelevant? Should her request for an abortion have been acceded to?

    What medical school did she graduate from?


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    #543
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    eviltwin wrote: »
    What people would they be?

    Sovereign people.


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    #544
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Jayop wrote: »
    OK, so please answer a straightforward question with a straight forward answer then.

    You agree that they didn't do their jobs right. So in this instance it's almost universally agreed that the woman could/would have survived had she been given an abortion as allowed under the 8th because of the risk to her life and the fact there was no chance of the fetus surviving.

    Agreed by whom universally?


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    #545
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    hinault wrote: »
    Agreed by whom universally?

    Any medical professionals that I've seen or read comment on the subject. I referenced an article linked by a crass anti abortion website a few pages back that provided two doctors views.


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    #546
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Also I said almost universally. A big difference.


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    #547
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/5/new-hampshire-defunds-planned-parenthood-facilitie/

    It's a start.


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    #548
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Jayop wrote: »
    Any medical professionals that I've seen or read comment on the subject..

    Bias confirmation.


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    #549
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Haha fantastic. That's twice in two posts you've misquoted me or selectively quoted me.


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    #550
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Jayop wrote: »
    Haha fantastic. That's twice in two posts you've misquoted me or selectively quoted me.

    What you read informs your bias.


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    #551
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    hinault wrote: »
    What you read informs your bias.

    Yeah I've seen some of your sources so I guess that explains a lot.


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    #552
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    hinault wrote: »
    Sovereign people.

    ...just not too sovereign from the Vatican.


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    #553
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,765 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    hinault wrote: »
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/5/new-hampshire-defunds-planned-parenthood-facilitie/

    It's a start.

    Very disappointing. No evidence of wrong-doing has been found but seems rumour and innuendo is enough to do damage.

    Especially when it's another affliate that doesn't actually have a foetal tissue donation program. I could understand the defund if they actually were facilitating tissue donation, but they're not!
    A spokeswoman for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the organization’s national wing, cited security concerns. So far, affiliates in Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Indiana and Florida have denied having any form of a tissue donation program.

    Source

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #554
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    lazygal wrote: »
    It'll depend on who's treating you. I specifically chose a consultant who was in favour of early intervention before a problem became a crisis. I've had to deal with those who weren't. Luckily I was able to deal with them. Anyway why is my life depending on percentages? What will my husband and kids be told, that I was only at a 5% risk of death so they left me to miscarry without intervening at 18 weeks, and they couldn't intervene because the dying foetus has the same status as me?
    It happens all the time, doesn't it!:rolleyes:

    Scaremongering nonsense!


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    #555
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    hinault wrote: »
    Earlier in this thread it was pointed out that the National Union of Journalists policy is not to report about abortion.

    Really? Where was that shown? According to the NUJ's own Delegates Meeting in 2014 they said something quite the opposite.
    A motion praising the conference also brought a discussion about the issue of abortion and a woman's right to choose in the Republic and Northern Ireland. Conference agreed to remind journalists to ensure fair and free reporting of all sides of that debate.


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    #556
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,765 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    It happens all the time, doesn't it!:rolleyes:

    Scaremongering nonsense!

    How about you answer the question instead the question instead of being patronising/glib?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #557
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    It happens all the time, doesn't it!:rolleyes:

    Scaremongering nonsense!

    How many times have you used the maternity services in Ireland?


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    #558
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    robdonn wrote: »
    Really? Where was that shown? According to the NUJ's own Delegates Meeting in 2014 they said something quite the opposite.
    Did you miss the rest of that quote -
    Conference agreed to remind journalists to ensure fair and free reporting of all sides of that debate. It instructed NEC to provide support and materials to branches to enable this and to "actively support any campaign to have British abortion legislation extended to Northern Ireland".
    https://www.nuj.org.uk/news/dm2014-the-future-of-journalism/


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    #559
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    lazygal wrote: »
    How many times have you used the maternity services in Ireland?
    Several times. In fact, I have something of an inside track. I know scaremongering when I see it.


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    #560
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Did you miss the rest of that quote -
    https://www.nuj.org.uk/news/dm2014-the-future-of-journalism/

    Of course not, it just had no relevence to your claim of:
    ... the National Union of Journalists policy is not to report about abortion.


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    #561
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,765 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Did you miss the rest of that quote -
    https://www.nuj.org.uk/news/dm2014-the-future-of-journalism/

    And you dropped the last line of the paragraph:
    Eamon McCann, NEC member, said it was a matter of having parity throughout the UK.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #562
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Several times. In fact, I have something of an inside track. I know scaremongering when I see it.

    What inside track do you have?


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    #563
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    I know scaremongering when I see it.

    I'm not surprised, you're not averse to using it yourself, remember?
    Two Sheds wrote: »
    I'm sure you're aware that intact, born babies are routinely left to die in the UK and US.


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    #564
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    robdonn wrote: »
    Of course not, it just had no relevence to your claim of:
    Not my claim.

    But it's well established that the British NUJ is foursquare behind legalising abortion on demand. That's part of the reason for the overwhelming bias in the Irish media. Any journalist who steps out of line is likely to find himself in a cold place.

    A free press me arse! We can't even manage to have our own journalists' union.


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    #565
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    robdonn wrote: »
    I'm not surprised, you're not averse to using it yourself, remember?
    You could always do a simple search. Who knows - you might learn something.
    scores of babies are being born alive and left to die, an official report has revealed.


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    #566
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Not my claim.

    It is a claim that you support, or else why bring it up in the manner that you did? Or do you not support it anymore?
    Two Sheds wrote: »
    But it's well established that the British NUJ is foursquare behind legalising abortion on demand. That's part of the reason for the overwhelming bias in the Irish media. Any journalist who steps out of line is likely to find himself in a cold place.

    Oh I see, we're changing the argument now. I believe that you once accused me of sidestepping...


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    #567
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    robdonn wrote: »
    It is a claim that you support, or else why bring it up in the manner that you did? Or do you not support it anymore?


    Oh I see, we're changing the argument now. I believe that you once accused me of sidestepping...
    Are you on something? I didn't make the claim, so how could I sidestep it?


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    #568
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    You could always do a simple search. Who knows - you might learn something.

    Interesting how suddenly the word "routinely" is dropped. That is a story about abortions that went wrong, not about a general practise as your wording was designed to reflect.


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    #569
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Are you on something? I didn't make the claim, so how could I sidestep it?

    Haha, you're right! I'm actually really sorry, I've mixed up your posts with Hinault.

    Apologies for that! :P


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    #570
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    robdonn wrote: »
    Interesting how suddenly the word "routinely" is dropped. That is a story about abortions that went wrong, not about a general practise as your wording was designed to reflect.
    You're assuming it's not general or deliberate practise - the Planned Parenthood scandal should give everybody pause for thought.
    Do we know what became of the bodies after the babies were allowed die?


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    #571
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    You're assuming it's not general or deliberate practise - the Planned Parenthood scandal should give everybody pause for thought.

    And you're presuming that it is, and as Planned Parenthood have not actually been shown to have done anything wrong, we have no reason to make any other assumptions.


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