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Sanctity of Life (Abortion Megathread)

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    #602
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    When I was born, safe and sound in a religious run hospital. No dirty wards like in Rhona's hospital.

    You seem to have a fixation with Dr. Mahony.
    She delivered my children. In a very clean theatre.
    And your experience of the maternity services here is limited to ... being born. Okay then.


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    #603
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    lazygal wrote: »
    You seem to have a fixation with Dr. Mahony.
    She delivered my children. In a very clean theatre.
    And your experience of the maternity services here is limited to ... being born. Okay then.

    I'm a man and I have more extensive experience with the maternity services in Ireland than Menorca.


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    #604
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Fantastic news. :)

    Awful news! These clinics are not abortion factories, they offer a huge amount of sexual health services to the public and have now lost state funding due to an alleged, and unsupported, claim. I believe the phrase "Throwing the baby out with the bath water" comes to mind.


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    #605
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    robdonn wrote: »
    Awful news! These clinics are not abortion factories, they offer a huge amount of sexual health services to the public and have now lost state funding due to an alleged, and unsupported, claim. I believe the phrase "Throwing the baby out with the bath water" comes to mind.

    As a direct result of these facilities losing funding or closing there will very likely be more crisis pregnancies and more woman seeking abortions.

    Fantastic news indeed.


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    #606
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Jayop wrote: »
    So are you insinuating that I'm somehow suggesting that teh doctors in Galway let this happen to make a political statement to force the liberalisation of abortion?

    If not then I have no idea what that post means.

    If so then you have pulled that from your backside.

    Could we have a little less of the graphic language please? It's becoming a bit of a habit now and serves to purpose.

    Abortion friendly doctors such as the Master of Holles Street has claimed doctors are 'afraid' to terminate a pregnancy.

    Follow the guidelines Rhona and you'll have nothing to fear.


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    #607
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    lazygal wrote: »
    You seem to have a fixation with Dr. Mahony.
    She delivered my children. In a very clean theatre.
    And your experience of the maternity services here is limited to ... being born. Okay then.

    Alas, the good doctor Mahony has a fixation with liberalising abortion.

    If she focused more on cleaning up her hospital, she may do far more good.


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    #608
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Could we have a little less of the graphic language please? It's becoming a bit of a habit now and serves to purpose.

    Abortion friendly doctors such as the Master of Holles Street has claimed doctors are 'afraid' to terminate a pregnancy.

    Follow the guidelines Rhona and you'll have nothing to fear.

    Graphic Language?? :confused:


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    #609
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    robdonn wrote: »
    Awful news! These clinics are not abortion factories, they offer a huge amount of sexual health services to the public and have now lost state funding due to an alleged, and unsupported, claim. I believe the phrase "Throwing the baby out with the bath water" comes to mind.

    Lew PP crash and burn. The evils that pervade in their clinics have no place in a civilised society.


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    #610
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Lew PP crash and burn. The evils that pervade in their clinics have no place in a civilised society.

    Abortion aside, if the leave who provides the other services they offer? Counselling, contraception, sexual health checks etc


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    #611
    dancingchicken
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭dancingchicken


    I'm completely in support of abortion up until the age of about 3 years.
    Honestly though people think nothing of a dog being put down but a human life is considered more precious which is ridiculous. We are all the same we just evolved differently


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    #612
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Lew PP crash and burn. The evils that pervade in their clinics have no place in a civilised society.

    Pffffff anyone wants an abortion can just drive a few miles down the road to another clinic, all this has done is cause an inconvenience to the people who need help.


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    #613
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,765 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    dancingchicken wrote: »
    I'm completely in support of abortion up until the age of about 3 years.
    Honestly though people think nothing of a dog being put down but a human life is considered more precious which is ridiculous. We are all the same we just evolved differently

    You mean you support abortion and infanticide.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #614
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    And lets be fair, most people don't think nothing of a dog being put down. You only have to look at the outrage globally about a lion being killed to see that, or the disgust at the recent courtcases in Ireland of cruelty to animals.

    In fact, if more people cared about the lives of kids than seemed to care about the lion there mightn't be as many kids dying every day around the world.


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    #615
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    dancingchicken wrote: »
    I'm completely in support of abortion up until the age of about 3 years.
    Honestly though people think nothing of a dog being put down but a human life is considered more precious which is ridiculous. We are all the same we just evolved differently

    Completely moving the goalposts - this isn't a thread about animal euthanization. Perhaps the Animals and Pet Issues forum is more suitable for that topic.
    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Pffffff anyone wants an abortion can just drive a few miles down the road to another clinic, all this has done is cause an inconvenience to the people who need help.

    A few miles? Eh, they're abortion clinics not gas stations. They are already controversial enough. They are actually expensive things to operate because in addition to being clinics you have to have security against yahoos that try to vandalize such places. Couple million dollars goes into setting up and running a single clinic.

    Here is the US map results for 'abortion'. I don't warranty that all of these hits actually perform abortions. To wit, planned parenthood results appear even in states that they dont perform abortions in (Illinois for instance) not to say Illinois doesn't have any abortion clinics, just not PP. So assuming that not all of these hits perform abortions, you can see that there are large spans of territory between people and a clinic. If you live in Lander, Wyoming, it's not exactly around the corner. That said, we still go back to the fact that PP abortion services count for 3% of their total service performances, the rest are related to other womens health.

    edit: here's a curated map of results showing verified abortion facilities in the US - http://batchgeo.com/map/5301dd0dce3d4e62a57d765d99ced353

    Back to that point though, my friend who is not a boardsie but is following this topic with me had an abortion a few years ago: living in Charleston, there is only 1 facility that actually performs abortions in West Ashley, but hers was a 2nd trimester abortion (was on the pill, still had her normal period through first trimester so it was discovered later), so because of SC law she had to drive to Atlanta, front the cost of a hotel room, $300 for the op and more for her pain meds but on the bright side the antibiotics were free. So, in some cases that "extra few miles" is really 300+ miles each way (oh lets not forget transportation cost). Do you see how low income women can't afford that? Even when you find a nearby clinic, its not free the same way services are in Ireland (I miss my childhood dental care), you still pay something substantial out of pocket.


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    #616
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Abortion aside, if the leave who provides the other services they offer? Counselling, contraception, sexual health checks etc

    There are Federal programmes already in place throughout the US who can provide said services.

    Life after the nefarious PP will be just dandy.


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    #617
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Pffffff anyone wants an abortion can just drive a few miles down the road to another clinic, all this has done is cause an inconvenience to the people who need help.

    Withdrawing Federal and State funding for grubby enterprises like PP is making a statement about the morals of a country.


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    #618
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Delirium wrote: »
    You mean you support abortion and infanticide.

    Dancingchicken was joking.


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    #619
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    There are Federal programmes already in place throughout the US who can provide said services.

    Life after the nefarious PP will be just dandy.

    You're acting as if PP is on the brink of shutting down :rolleyes:


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    #620
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You're acting as if PP is on the brink of shutting down :rolleyes:

    Can people in Ireland donate to it?


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    #621
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,765 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    There are Federal programmes already in place throughout the US who can provide said services.

    Life after the nefarious PP will be just dandy.
    Considering 2+ million Americans avail of their healthcare services (e.g. cancer/STI/diabetes checks), it would seem that the government don't provide enough programmes.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #622
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You're acting as if PP is on the brink of shutting down :rolleyes:

    We're a heck of a lot closer to such a wonderful outcome than ever before. :)


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    #623
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    lazygal wrote: »
    Can people in Ireland donate to it?

    Judging by the 5 videos, they'll take money from anyone for all sorts of services rendered.


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    #624
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    We're a heck of a lot closer to such a wonderful outcome than ever before. :)

    Where is your evidence for this?

    Hint: wishful thinking does not = evidence.


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    #625
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Delirium wrote: »
    Considering 2+ million Americans avail of their healthcare services (e.g. cancer/STI/diabetes checks), it would seem that the government don't provide enough programmes.

    One thing the Republican dominated Congress will ensure that more funding will go to such programmes in a post-PP scenario.


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    #626
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Where is your evidence for this?

    Hint: wishful thinking does not = evidence.

    States defunding PP will set the ball rolling.


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    #627
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    States defunding PP will set the ball rolling.

    How many states are "defunding" PP?


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    #628
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,765 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    One thing the Republican dominated Congress will ensure that more funding will go to such programmes in a post-PP scenario.
    which would suggest that there currently isn't adequate healthcare in a lot of cases.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #629
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Judging by the 5 videos, they'll take money from anyone for all sorts of services rendered.

    So I can donate to this essential service. Good to know.


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    #630
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    You still haven't said what graphic language was used.


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    #631
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    lazygal wrote: »
    Can people in Ireland donate to it?

    It's only fair when Tom Monaghan pumps money into crypto-fascists like Youth Defence.


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