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Sanctity of Life (Abortion Megathread)

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    #632
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    One thing the Republican dominated Congress will ensure that more funding will go to such programmes in a post-PP scenario.

    This is a joke right?


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    #633
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    We're a heck of a lot closer to such a wonderful outcome than ever before. :)

    Sure we are. Just look up Planned Parenthood's history. The same activist group has tried plenty of times to shut it down by making up controversy and still here they are.

    Also, no lawmakers are looking to defund PP. Even the talking heads on the right, like Rush Limbaugh, are quick to point out this is only about taking federal tax dollars away from Planned Parenthood, there is no measure being set in place to shut them down at all.

    In fact, after Presidential Candidate and next Bush in line for the Dynasty (lol) Jeb Bush gaffed "I'm not sure we need half a billion dollars for women's health issues," Planned Parenthood has received counter donations from people "In honor of Jeb Bush"

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/0806/Supporters-donate-to-Planned-Parenthood-in-honor-of-Jeb-Bush

    On the Investigation Circuit, Florida so far has come back WITH RESULTS! GET THE PITCHFORKS!!! OMG!! Not really.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/06/florida-inspectors-cite-four-planned-parenthood-locations-for-violations/

    They found 4 violations: 1 violation of a facility that had improper logs for disposal of fetal remains - which is not itself damning evidence of sale and lacks any context at least until a report is fully published. If it were more damning, the headline would be far bolder. The other 3 violations were for performing second trimester abortions without correct licensing, which itself is in dispute:
    "The claim that any of our health centers are performing procedures we are not licensed to perform is false and seemingly stems from AHCA flip-flopping on their own rules and definitions of gestational periods," executive director Laura Goodhue said.

    For each violation, Planned Parenthood might have to cough up as much as $500 per (although that's the maximum, it could be less). So, you know, not going out of business that way :pac:


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    #634
    Black Menorca
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    lazygal wrote: »
    So I can donate to this essential service. Good to know.

    Go for it.


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    #635
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    How many states are "defunding" PP?
    One so far. An impossible scenario prior to the videos being released.


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    #636
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    It's only fair when Tom Monaghan pumps money into crypto-fascists like Youth Defence.

    Whats a crypto-fascist? I like to understand the titles people put on me. :)


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    #637
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Judging by the 5 videos, they'll take money from anyone for all sorts of services rendered.

    Oh god, it's like a broken record. Please tell me, where in any of the five videos does it show what you are claiming?


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    #638
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    How many states are "defunding" PP?

    So far Louisiana and New Hampshire. NH did so without any investigation. Louisiana began investigation in July, and has not returned any conclusions. Neither facility in louisiana performs abortions, and Jindal when he called for the defunding cited that PP doesnt respect human life, etc. and again, they don't abort in the state.
    Jindal and DHH decided to give the 30-day notice to terminate the Planned Parenthood Medicaid provider contract "because Planned Parenthood does not represent the values of the State of Louisiana in regards to respecting human life," the announcement said. "Pending the ongoing investigation, DHH reserves the right to amend the cancellation notice and terminate the provider agreement immediately should cause be determined."
    http://www.nola.com/health/index.ssf/2015/08/louisiana_terminates_its_medic.html


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    #639
    Black Menorca
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    Overheal wrote: »
    So far Louisiana and New Hampshire. NH did so without any investigation. Louisiana began investigation in July, and has not returned any conclusions. Neither facility in louisiana performs abortions, and Jindal when he called for the defunding cited that PP doesnt respect human life, etc. and again, they don't abort in the state.

    http://www.nola.com/health/index.ssf/2015/08/louisiana_terminates_its_medic.html

    Two States? Get in!!


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    #640
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    robdonn wrote: »
    Oh god, it's like a broken record. Please tell me, where in any of the five videos does it show what you are claiming?

    By the lunch’s end, Gatter suggests $100 per specimen is not enough and concludes, “Let me just figure out what others are getting, and if this is in the ballpark, then it’s fine, if it’s still low, then we can bump it up. I want a Lamborghini.”

    Gatter also suggests modifying the abortion procedure to get more intact fetuses: “I wouldn’t object to asking Ian, who’s our surgeon who does the cases, to use an IPAS [manual vacuum aspirator] at that gestational age in order to increase the odds that he’s going to get an intact specimen.”


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    #641
    Jayop
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    robdonn wrote: »
    Oh god, it's like a broken record. Please tell me, where in any of the five videos does it show what you are claiming?

    Watch the videos and read the reports, listen to an hour or two of Ray Darcy. YOu can't expect these people to actually provide proper references to things that only exist in their imaginations.


    I still haven't been told what abusive or bad language was used.


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    #642
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Two States? Get in!!

    Yay, celebrate the closing of a center that doesn't provide the service you find abhorrent which will result in more people needing the service you find abhorrent.

    Logic


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    #643
    Black Menorca
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    Jayop wrote: »
    Watch the videos and read the reports, listen to an hour or two of Ray Darcy. YOu can't expect these people to actually provide proper references to things that only exist in their imaginations.


    I still haven't been told what abusive or bad language was used.

    Ray Darcy being the loudest advocate for abortion on the Irish airwaves. :)


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    #644
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Jayop wrote: »
    Yay, celebrate the closing of a center that doesn't provide the service you find abhorrent which will result in more people needing the service you find abhorrent.

    Logic

    Close them up, throw away the key.

    Godwin time. The Nazis built great roads. ;)


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    #645
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,330 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Jayop wrote: »
    Watch the videos and read the reports, listen to an hour or two of Ray Darcy. YOu can't expect these people to actually provide proper references to things that only exist in their imaginations.
    Try listening to Rush Limbaugh. He had a caller half an hour ago while I was in the car:

    caller: don't they know [the left] are just hurting themselves by killing off potential new voters, for the low income bracket?

    rush: no they're not.

    caller: ...oh.?

    rush: because they're taking in illegal immigrants.

    Oh how brilliant they both are. Yeah, don't listen to media personalities, they're morons.


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    #646
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,765 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Jayop wrote: »
    Watch the videos and read the reports, listen to an hour or two of Ray Darcy. YOu can't expect these people to actually provide proper references to things that only exist in their imaginations.


    I still haven't been told what abusive or bad language was used.

    MOD NOTE

    If a poster is posting in a abusive fashion then posters are reminded to use the report button. This is the same from any swearing/profanity.

    Thanks for your attention.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #647
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Ray Darcy being the loudest advocate for abortion on the Irish airwaves. :)

    He's also the hardest person to listen to on Irish airwaves, so in this instance I'll happily accept your viewpoint rather than forcing myself to listen to that complete **** for an hour.
    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Close them up, throw away the key.

    Godwin time. The Nazis built great roads. ;)

    Seriously though, if you're anti-abortion then you should be happy to see family planning and free birth control services offered in centers that don't provide abortions. The closing or de-funding of these centers will cause more abortions. It makes no sense at all.

    The good roads the Nazi's built were used to bring people to death camps. The centers that are closing are used to stop the baby killing as you call it.

    Apples and oranges.

    Unless you're against Birth Control too. Do you mind me asking are you?


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    #648
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Delirium wrote: »
    MOD NOTE

    If a poster is posting in a abusive fashion then posters are reminded to use the report button. This is the same from any swearing/profanity.

    Thanks for your attention.

    I don't think anyone really was. It's all very cordial.


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    #649
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,765 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Close them up, throw away the key.

    Godwin time. The Nazis built great roads. ;)
    Consider this a warning to cease with this type of posting. It adds nothing to the topic and could be viewed as an attempt to wind up other posters.
    Jayop wrote: »
    I don't think anyone really was. It's all very cordial.
    I appreciate you're attempting to clarify the situation but it's a general rule that when a mod posts, you don't derail the the thread by discussing moderation. Please bear this in mind in future.

    Thanks for your attention.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #650
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    One so far. An impossible scenario prior to the videos being released.

    And you think this is the end of PP?

    It's akin to Citi bank firing a janitor and you claiming they are in financial dire straits because of it.


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    #651
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    robdonn wrote: »
    Several friends of mine work in Marie Stopes.....................

    Birds of a feather and all that.


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    #652
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    hinault wrote: »
    Birds of a feather .....

    ...help those in need together?


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    #653
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    volchitsa wrote: »
    FWIW she was a dentist.....

    Quackery.


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    #654
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Jayop wrote: »
    He's also the hardest person to listen to on Irish airwaves, so in this instance I'll happily accept your viewpoint rather than forcing myself to listen to that complete **** for an hour.



    Seriously though, if you're anti-abortion then you should be happy to see family planning and free birth control services offered in centers that don't provide abortions. The closing or de-funding of these centers will cause more abortions. It makes no sense at all.

    The good roads the Nazi's built were used to bring people to death camps. The centers that are closing are used to stop the baby killing as you call it.

    Apples and oranges.

    Unless you're against Birth Control too. Do you mind me asking are you?
    I have no problem with some forms of birth control that can and should be provided from Federal or State sources. PP doesn't have a monopoly.


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    #655
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    When I was born, safe and sound in a religious run hospital. No dirty wards like in Rhona's hospital.

    And to think that Rhona's father was one of the great St.Vincent DePaul men in the Dublin conference.


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    #656
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    hinault wrote: »
    Quackery.

    Dentistry is quackery now? Or are you implying something else?


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    #657
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    hinault wrote: »
    And to think that Rhona's father was one of the great St.Vincent DePaul men in the Dublin conference.

    I didn't know that.


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    #658
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I have no problem with some forms of birth control that can and should be provided from Federal or State sources. PP doesn't have a monopoly.

    Yeah it's well known around the world how easy it is for the lower classes in the US to gain access to healthcare.


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    #659
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Jayop wrote: »
    ...help those in need together?

    By taking human lives.


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    #660
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    lazygal wrote: »
    Dentistry is quackery now? Or are you implying something else?

    Would you go to an optician to diagnose why your experiencing heart palpitations?

    Quackery.


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    #661
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I didn't know that.

    Rhona's dad was a very decent man.


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