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Sanctity of Life (Abortion Megathread)
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No wonder so many Democrat politicians want to continue giving taxpayers' money to Planned Parenthood - it's a means of effectively turning public funds into political donations.
http://influenceexplorer.com/organization/planned-parenthood/a3bf2b2a33a84534a706a2d04c52de950 -
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The burden of proof is yours; Republicans are a pretty diverse group though, I think you'll have a hard time holding this sweeping statement over your shoulders. But frankly skip this, and see my point below about toxic politics.Black Menorca wrote: »I'm not up on multi quoting. But here goes.
House republicans hate PP with all their hearts and for the first time have the momentum to carry out a cull on their nefarious deeds. They won't be found wanting.
You could give it a litmus test: use social media or other means to contact media figureheads (eg. Ray Darcy, show hosts) to see if they are willing to talk about it or not, and/or why.I watched all of the Fox debate. I was asking if the Irish media would continue its censorship of negative stories about the abortion industry in their reportage of the debate?
That is a much better rounded statement of your opinion, fair enoughTaking down the public face of abortion in America would be, by far, the greatest single achievement of the Pro-Life Movement of this century.
If not name your choice of achievement that 'trumps' it.
I can't; its not that I think you are equivocally wrong in your supposition - I just think its kind of pitiful that is the movements greatest accomplishment in 100 years.
I want to actually be able to say "its shameful they did undercover this or that etc" but tbh if it was something I felt was a rightful cause I'd support that action, as well. Edward Snowden something something, you know? I'm more frustrated that, the group passionately wanted to pull a trigger on PP but from the way its going I get the feeling it will ultimately accomplish little at a large expense, particularly the expense of other womens health issues and money spent investigating the matter - then again, I bet the investigations cost less than the money donated. That said, the money given has a strict clause on it that its not used for abortions, and PP is audited annually or more frequently in that regard, as part of that relationship.
So, at the end of the day, I think the way the group went about fighting for their viewpoints was nothing if not both passionate and misguided.
Despite how you may feel about abortion BM, the fact that PP performs abortions is not justification to shut the group down, because abortions are a valid, legal procedure, which is upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States ruling on Roe vs. Wade.Have they ever denied killing unborn babies?
No.
So put them on lockdown.
It is somewhat analagous to saying such and such congregation must be shut down because they perform 1 or 2 gay marriages a year in addition to a hundred other traditional marriages: it may offend some, but if gay marriage is legal, what justification is that by itself to shut something down? Fact is: it isn't.
While it is no doubt true many Republicans may personally wish to legislate to dissolve the legal effect of Roe vs. Wade, in US politics thats always been a toxic issue for anyone taking it up (you lose the women vote really rather fast); therefore, you need more than just "They are killing babies performing legal abortions as guaranteed under Roe vs Wade," because the public won't support that argument long enough to make it to a vote or referendum*. you would actually need some proof that the organization is genuinely doing something that is illegal under the laws of the United States. Even then, depending on what those violations are, it could merely be a slap on the wrist (see the 4 citations Florida issued to Planned Parenthood so far during their investigation - each will seem them fined for a whopping five hundred dollars).
*The Pew Research Center says that a majority of adults in the U.S. - 51 percent of the population - believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Only 43 percent believe abortion should be illegal all or most of the time. A regional breakdown of the Great Lakes region of the country (which included Wisconsin) showed that 41 percent agree with Walker. His perspective would be more welcome in the South Central part of the U.S., where 52 percent say abortion should be illegal.lazybones32 wrote: »Seems to me that the cancer services account for less than 10% of PP's activities but don't let that stop you from posting inaccurate graphs and by all means, continue with your view that PP is somehow primarily a cancer care operation.
Theres a word for this: when you're not confident in your own argument, you try to predelict/shine spotlight on your opponents upcoming counter-argument to try and pre-deflate it. What I'm hearing is that you're afraid of facts figures and statistics.Black Menorca wrote: »
So, over 300K abortions carrined out in 2014 by PP.
How does that sit with you. 300,000 deaths.
That's false; less than 300,000 of that figure is actual abortion operation. Services are counted as line items: For each abortion you would at a minimum need a patient consultation (1) pre-op (2) op (3) post-op care (4), so on the average of about 3-4 services per patient per abortion.0 -
No wonder so many Democrat politicians want to continue giving taxpayers' money to Planned Parenthood - it's a means of effectively turning public funds into political donations.
http://influenceexplorer.com/organization/planned-parenthood/a3bf2b2a33a84534a706a2d04c52de95
Thats politics as usual; you won't find a man or woman on the hill who isn't influenced by someone else's dollar. I'm more alarmed by Citizens United to be frank.
Either way, lets say I'm an employee at a brick and mortar store - in most US states, you don't pay Sales Tax on purchases made online (like Amazon.com). So if a politician I like in my state came out in favor of legslation for online sales tax, it is in my own interest to contribute to their campaign to get that legislation passed. There is nothing illegal about that, either. Similarly, I'm not surprised that employees of PP see an interest in donating to politicians out of their own pocket, that are willing to ensure their jobs are not destroyed.0 -
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