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Sanctity of Life (Abortion Megathread)

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    #2042
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    cattolico wrote: »
    And in the US over 10,000 people die from gun crime. Ireland is not the US.

    Your value as a human being is not determined by your parents or your circumstances. Every human being has an objective right to its existence.

    When does the mass implantation of all frozen embryos in storage begin?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #2043
    cattolico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭cattolico


    Delirium wrote: »
    When does the mass implantation of all frozen embryos in storage begin?

    Ask the parents


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    #2044
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    cattolico wrote: »
    Ask the parents

    What about the right to life you mentioned? Do those frozen children not deserve it too? If not, why?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #2045
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    robp wrote: »
    But we are not speaking about high risk pregnancies. They are not relevant to the PP scandal. In most high pregnancies high levels of care are implemented not abortions.

    We are speaking of affects on the woman's health that went from non existent to not noteworthy according to you.

    There are high levels of care because of these effects. You are either purposely being misleading or have no understanding of pregnancy.


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    #2046
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Delirium wrote: »
    What about the right to life you mentioned? Do those frozen children not deserve it too? If not, why?

    Are these poor children that you speak of just left in a freezer? This is terrible! Why are child protection agencies not doing something about this? Why are the Garda not involved to rescue the children from the freezer? Why are these children not taken from the abusive parents who freeze them and leave them in the freezer? You all know well enough why!


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    #2047
    MrPudding
    Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Are these poor children that you speak of just left in a freezer? This is terrible! Why are child protection agencies not doing something about this? Why are the Garda not involved to rescue the children from the freezer? Why are these children not taken from the abusive parents who freeze them and leave them in the freezer? You all know well enough why!

    Could be a great scam, claim child benefit but have the children frozen...

    MrP


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    #2048
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,799 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Could be a great scam, claim child benefit but have the children frozen...

    MrP

    too far


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    #2049
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Could be a great scam, claim child benefit but have the children frozen...

    MrP

    You make more money if you break them up for parts though.


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    #2050
    MrPudding
    Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    You make more money if you break them up for parts though.

    Actually, no, you don't. You only recover your reasonable costs, so you don't actually make any money in the generally accepted sense of the word.

    MrP


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    #2051
    MrPudding
    Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Overheal wrote: »
    too far

    I disagree, but would be happy for you to explain your reasoning.

    MrP


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    #2052
    cattolico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭cattolico


    Abortion Mill Director Jokes About Dumping Babies in Garbage Disposal

    She then admitted that she had 20 bottles of aborted infants' remains dumped into her garbage disposal.

    The garbage disposal was an option. There was a point that I actually hired someone from another clinic to come in and take 20 bottles and put it into my garbage disposal. And then I had to 'fess up to my staff that I did the thing I had been criticizing all these other clinics for doing — but I didn't know what else to do.

    She went on, "I want you to laugh about this. It's funny — I mean, it's funny in a really sick way."


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    #2053
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    source or link?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #2054
    eviltwin
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    cattolico wrote: »
    Abortion Mill Director Jokes About Dumping Babies in Garbage Disposal

    She then admitted that she had 20 bottles of aborted infants' remains dumped into her garbage disposal.

    The garbage disposal was an option. There was a point that I actually hired someone from another clinic to come in and take 20 bottles and put it into my garbage disposal. And then I had to 'fess up to my staff that I did the thing I had been criticizing all these other clinics for doing — but I didn't know what else to do.

    She went on, "I want you to laugh about this. It's funny — I mean, it's funny in a really sick way."

    I wouldn't read too much into that tbh, you'll find its quite common for people working in trauma to have a sick sense of humour. I work in trauma care and some of the stuff we say is really dark and wouldn't expect anyone to understand but it's what we need to do to keep sane sometimes. I'd imagine for abortion providers seeing women in such desperate situations they do it too.


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    #2055
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    cattolico wrote: »
    Abortion Mill Director Jokes About Dumping Babies in Garbage Disposal

    She then admitted that she had 20 bottles of aborted infants' remains dumped into her garbage disposal.

    The garbage disposal was an option. There was a point that I actually hired someone from another clinic to come in and take 20 bottles and put it into my garbage disposal. And then I had to 'fess up to my staff that I did the thing I had been criticizing all these other clinics for doing — but I didn't know what else to do.

    She went on, "I want you to laugh about this. It's funny — I mean, it's funny in a really sick way."

    I don't suppose you have a link?


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    #2056
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    I wouldn't be any more interested in how tissue resulting from abortion is disposed of than I would any other tissue/body parts removed during medical procedures. As long as all human tissue is disposed of in keeping with strict infection control procedures, and the information is available to patients on request prior to any surgery/medical procedure involving tissue removal, should they wish to know about disposal.


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    #2057
    cattolico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭cattolico


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I wouldn't be any more interested in how tissue resulting from abortion is disposed of than I would any other tissue/body parts removed during medical procedures. As long as all human tissue is disposed of in keeping with strict infection control procedures, and the information is available to patients on request prior to any surgery/medical procedure involving tissue removal, should they wish to know about disposal.

    Yeah. Well us Christians don't treat kids or Anyone else as medical waste


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    #2058
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    cattolico wrote: »
    Yeah. Well us Christians don't treat kids or Anyone else as medical waste

    No, you treat them as fertilizer.


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    #2059
    cattolico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭cattolico


    Kev W wrote: »
    No, you treat them as fertilizer.

    Very ignorant post and offending.


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    #2060
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,799 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Delirium wrote: »
    source or link?
    cattolico wrote: »
    Abortion Mill Director Jokes About Dumping Babies in Garbage Disposal

    She then admitted that she had 20 bottles of aborted infants' remains dumped into her garbage disposal.

    The garbage disposal was an option. There was a point that I actually hired someone from another clinic to come in and take 20 bottles and put it into my garbage disposal. And then I had to 'fess up to my staff that I did the thing I had been criticizing all these other clinics for doing — but I didn't know what else to do.

    She went on, "I want you to laugh about this. It's funny — I mean, it's funny in a really sick way."
    Kev W wrote: »
    I don't suppose you have a link?
    http://www.texasrighttolife.com/a/1835/Abortionist-on-leaked-CMP-footage-Pushing-aborted-babies-down-garbage-disposal-quotis-funny-in-a-really-sick-wayquot#.Vi-_6k3D-9I

    http://liveactionnews.org/abortion-facility-owner-says-5-months-worth-of-aborted-babies-were-stored-in-freezers/

    http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/abortion-mill-director-considers-bonfire-using-aborted-infants

    Renee Chelian background: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/planned-parenthood-abortion-the-war-is-over

    Renee Chelian testimony to Human Rights Council’s Universal Periodic Review of the United States: http://www.reproductiverights.org/sites/crr.civicactions.net/files/documents/RC_testimony_UPR_2Nov2010.pdf

    Have yet to watch the video, but based on her background Renee Chelian has been advocating abortion in the US since before Roe v Wade, having received an illegal abortion at 16 and by 20 was working as a clinical assistant. To get her abortion her and her father were blindfolded and taken to a warehouse somewhere in Detroit in what sounds like rather shady circumstances.
    cattolico wrote: »
    Very ignorant post and offending.


    cattolico wrote: »
    Yeah. Well us Christians don't treat kids or Anyone else as medical waste

    Ahem.
    MrPudding wrote: »
    I disagree, but would be happy for you to explain your reasoning.

    MrP


    I just think we're belittling the topic a bit much.


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    #2061
    MrPudding
    Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    What is an abortion mill and how does it differ from a multi-story abortionplex?

    MrP


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    #2062
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    cattolico wrote: »
    Yeah. Well us Christians don't treat kids or Anyone else as medical waste

    I haven't seen anything about kids being treated as medical waste! Where is this happening?


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    #2063
    MrPudding
    Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    cattolico wrote: »
    Yeah. Well us Christians don't treat kids or Anyone else as medical waste

    I think you have been asked this question before, under one of you previous guises, but let me ask you this; are you saying that no Christians support abortion?

    MrP


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    #2064
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Overheal wrote: »
    http://www.texasrighttolife.com/a/1835/Abortionist-on-leaked-CMP-footage-Pushing-aborted-babies-down-garbage-disposal-quotis-funny-in-a-really-sick-wayquot#.Vi-_6k3D-9I

    http://liveactionnews.org/abortion-facility-owner-says-5-months-worth-of-aborted-babies-were-stored-in-freezers/

    http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/abortion-mill-director-considers-bonfire-using-aborted-infants

    Renee Chelian background: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/planned-parenthood-abortion-the-war-is-over

    Renee Chelian testimony to Human Rights Council’s Universal Periodic Review of the United States: http://www.reproductiverights.org/sites/crr.civicactions.net/files/documents/RC_testimony_UPR_2Nov2010.pdf

    Have yet to watch the video, but based on her background Renee Chelian has been advocating abortion in the US since before Roe v Wade, having received an illegal abortion at 16 and by 20 was working as a clinical assistant. To get her abortion her and her father were blindfolded and taken to a warehouse somewhere in Detroit in what sounds like rather shady circumstances.







    Ahem.


    I just think we're belittling the topic a bit much.

    Fair point. Thanks for the links.


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    #2065
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    It seems, after I trawled through the emotive garbage in the links, that there was a problem with medical waste contaminating water ways. Now that is a real issue.


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    #2066
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,545 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    cattolico wrote: »
    Yeah. Well us Christians don't treat kids or Anyone else as medical waste

    How should a child's amputated arm be treated?


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    #2067
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    cattolico wrote: »
    Yeah. Well us Christians don't treat kids or Anyone else as medical waste

    I really wouldnt try to claim the moral high ground as a Christian in Ireland when it comes to kids.


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    #2068
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    cattolico wrote: »
    Yeah. Well us Christians don't treat kids or Anyone else as medical waste

    Well, that proves it then, anyone who is pro-choice cannot possibly be a Christian.


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    #2069
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,799 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "I speak for 2.2 billion people."


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    #2070
    cattolico
    Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭cattolico


    robdonn wrote: »
    Well, that proves it then, anyone who is pro-choice cannot possibly be a Christian.

    Correct, respect for live is fundamental to Christianity.


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    #2071
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    cattolico wrote: »
    Correct, respect for live is fundamental to Christianity.

    Hmmm, Overheal might want to revise that "2.2 billion" number then...


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