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Sanctity of Life (Abortion Megathread)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    hinault wrote: »
    Where in the video did the doctor mention "transport/transportation costs"?
    ......

    without even looking at it - unless you are obsessed you will assume that :

    slight change in procedures
    & it costs money to get things transported


    eg:
    i donated body to science
    if I drop dead anywhere except beside the slab in the university someone will have to transport the corpse
    the university will pay for this transport

    they also request no-one does any embalming (there's yer change in procedures)


    not rocket science really


  • Moderators Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    hinault wrote: »
    Where in the video did the doctor mention "transport/transportation costs"?

    Please quote the statement that you claim the doctor made in the video.
    Alternatively please quote the time where on the video the doctor said what you claim.
    PP = Planned Parenthood.
    PP: You know, I would throw a number out, I would say it’s probably anywhere from $30 to $100 [per specimen], depending on the facility and what’s involved. It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there who’s going to be doing everything, is there shipping involved, is somebody gonna have to take it out. You know, I think everybody just wants, it’s really just about if anyone were ever to ask them, “What do you do for this $60? How can you justify that? Or are you basically just doing something completely egregious, that you should be doing for free.” So it just needs to be justifiable. And, look, we have 67 affiliates. They all have different practice environments, different staff,and so that number —
    Top of page 4 of transcript provided by group that also recorded the video.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    SW wrote: »
    PP = Planned Parenthood..................

    So you're saying that the doctor referencing "shipping" is a reference to transport costs.
    Your conclusion may, or may not, be accurate.

    Let's say your conclusion is correct, for argument sake, these butchers make explicit reference in your quote to "per specimen" and a price range "$30 to $100".
    The more "specimens" these killers "ship" the more efficient the economies of scale for "shipping".
    Harvesting is a profitable business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    hinault wrote: »
    So you're saying that the doctor referencing "shipping" is a reference to transport costs.
    Your conclusion may, or may not, be accurate.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,753 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    hinault wrote: »
    So you're saying that the doctor referencing "shipping" is a reference to transport costs.
    Your conclusion may, or may not, be accurate.

    What else would it mean? :confused:
    Let's say your conclusion is correct, for argument sake, these butchers make explicit reference in your quote to "per specimen" and a price range "$30 to $100".
    The more "specimens" these killers "ship" the more efficient the economies of scale for "shipping".
    Harvesting is a profitable business.

    Cost to send something to the next state $30

    Cost to send something across the country $100

    Where is the confusion here? Also your overuse of "" "" just makes your posts look childish. Thanks to the meme posted you will be now tagged as Dr Evil in my mind.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    hinault wrote: »
    Let's say your conclusion is correct, for argument sake, these butchers make explicit reference in your quote to "per specimen" and a price range "$30 to $100".
    The more "specimens" these killers "ship" the more efficient the economies of scale for "shipping".
    Harvesting is a profitable business.

    You are presuming that they have the facilities to house multiple "specimens" until they can "ship" them in bulk.

    Great, now you've got me using pointless quotation marks...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    hinault wrote: »
    So you're saying that the doctor referencing "shipping" is a reference to transport costs.
    Your conclusion may, or may not, be accurate.

    Let's say your conclusion is correct, for argument sake, these butchers make explicit reference in your quote to "per specimen" and a price range "$30 to $100".
    The more "specimens" these killers "ship" the more efficient the economies of scale for "shipping".
    Harvesting is a profitable business.
    They are butchers. They are doctors. They aren't killers. They are doctors.

    MrP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    robdonn wrote: »
    You are presuming that they have the facilities to house multiple "specimens" until they can "ship" them in bulk.

    Great, now you've got me using pointless quotation marks...

    Do you suppose fetal tissue would have a higher, or lower shelf life than orange juice? Its a crude way of wording the point, but thats it right there. You can't really just wait until you've got enough for a bulk shipment in all cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Overheal wrote: »
    You can't really just wait until you've got enough for a bulk shipment in all cases.

    Exactly my point.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    hinault wrote: »
    So you're saying that the doctor referencing "shipping" is a reference to transport costs.
    Your conclusion may, or may not, be accurate.
    Every day's a learning day:
    The term shipping originally referred to transport by sea, but is extended in American English to refer to transport by land or air (International English: "carriage") as well.
    Source
    But I really doubt you didn't know what it was in reference to seeing as you couldn't provide a logic alternative to support your contention that shipping wasn't referring to transportation.
    Let's say your conclusion is correct, for argument sake, these butchers make explicit reference in your quote to "per specimen" and a price range "$30 to $100".
    The more "specimens" these killers "ship" the more efficient the economies of scale for "shipping".
    Harvesting is a profitable business.

    It's not difficult to understand that less shipments mean less cost for whomever is paying the freight bill.

    Also, Planned Parenthood (and their medical staff) offer more services than abortion. Services which are used by 2.7 million Americans. Abortion accounts for about 5% of their services. The pro-life politicans/groups who want to shut Planned Parenthood down are being myopic.

    They would be denying the poorer sections of the US affordable access to STI testing/ treatment, as well as cancer screening and treatment. Infographic from 2009 to illustrate the services.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The percentage on wikipedia is 3%, and according to that infograph only a portion of that 3% is actual abortions being performed, with the rest being abortion related counseling services which I'd have to assume makes up at least half of that figure (mandatory counseling session prior to performing abortion).

    Which means that in 2009, PP performed somewhere in the range of less than 200,000 abortions.

    Globally, 44 million abortions are performed annually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    hinault wrote: »
    So you're saying that the doctor referencing "shipping" is a reference to transport costs.
    Unless you think the doctors are writing erotic fan fiction about fetuses there's not really a lot of too much for interpretation there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Overheal wrote: »
    Do you suppose fetal tissue would have a higher, or lower shelf life than orange juice? Its a crude way of wording the point, but thats it right there. You can't really just wait until you've got enough for a bulk shipment in all cases.

    Maybe they salt it? Make baby bacon and store it in the canteen fridge. I'd say that would help increase the shelf life. Im assuming that they eat babies in PP. I have no proof but they could be doing it so probably are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Overheal wrote: »
    Do you suppose fetal tissue would have a higher, or lower shelf life than orange juice? Its a crude way of wording the point, but thats it right there. You can't really just wait until you've got enough for a bulk shipment in all cases.
    Maybe they salt it? Make baby bacon and store it in the canteen fridge. I'd say that would help increase the shelf life. Im assuming that they eat babies in PP. I have no proof but they could be doing it so probably are.

    MOD:

    Folks, I appreciate this is meant to be reductio ad absurdum. It's also however a little crass (especially the latter post quoted). This is a rather sensitive topic so please be mindful of the choice of analogies you choose to use.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    SW wrote: »
    Every day's a learning day:

    Apparently not in your case, though.
    SW wrote: »
    But I really doubt you didn't know what it was in reference to seeing as you couldn't provide a logic alternative to support your contention that shipping wasn't referring to transportation.

    I'm not here to second guess or to put alternatives to what that doctor said.

    Shipping could mean and can mean a lot of different things.
    SW wrote: »
    It's not difficult to understand that less shipments mean less cost for whomever is paying the freight bill.

    No.

    More "shipments" means more profit for the butchers. Bulk "shipments" are clearly more "cost effective" (ie. more profitable).


    SW wrote: »
    Also, Planned Parenthood (and their medical staff) offer more services than abortion.

    I couldn't care less about the other "services" that these butchers supply.

    These people are killing unborn and partially born human lives.
    And they're selling the harvested remains from those that they have killed.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    hinault wrote: »
    Apparently not in your case, though.


    I'm not here to second guess or to put alternatives to what that doctor said.

    Shipping could mean and can mean a lot of different things.
    Interesting claim. Give one plausible alternative to 'shipping' that isn't pertaining to transport.
    No.

    More "shipments" means more profit for the butchers. Bulk "shipments" are clearly more "cost effective" (ie. more profitable).
    You realise that Planned Parenthood are a non-profit so there's no profit to speak of. Rather there is money saved to be used elsewhere in the services they provide, be it cancer/STI/diabetes screening etc.
    I couldn't care less about the other "services" that these butchers supply.

    These people are killing unborn and partially born human lives.
    And they're selling the harvested remains from those that they have killed.

    Please provide evidence that Planned Parenthood are illegally selling foetal tissue. And what is your source given some States have already established that there is no illegal sales happening.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    SW wrote: »
    You realise that Planned Parenthood are a non-profit so there's no profit to speak of.

    These butchers statutory filings show that they're earning vast profits annually.
    SW wrote: »
    Please provide evidence that Planned Parenthood are illegally selling foetal tissue.

    The released videos depict their staff selling the harvested remains from the babies that they kill.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    hinault wrote: »
    These butchers statutory filings show that they're earning vast profits annually.
    which is reused for the services they provide and costs associated with those services. They don't pay out to shareholders.

    The released videos depict their staff selling the harvested remains from the babies that they kill.

    Have they released a new video showing this? The first two definitely didn't. can you link to, and state where in the video, this admission of illegal sales is captured on camera?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    SW wrote: »
    which is reused for the services they provide and costs associated with those services. They don't pay out to shareholders.

    Lots of commercial entities reinvest their profits back in to their own business.
    Retained earnings is not an unusual concept.


    SW wrote: »
    Have they released a new video showing this? The first two definitely didn't. can you link to, and state where in the video, this admission of illegal sales is captured on camera?

    You quoted the transcript earlier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    hinault wrote: »
    Lots of commercial entities reinvest their profits back in to their own business.
    Retained earnings is not an unusual concept.


    It's not unusual for a commercial entity but it is mandatory for a non-profit.


    You quoted the transcript earlier.

    Said quote containing no reference to or admission to illegal activity. So where is the evidence you spoke of?


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  • Moderators Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    hinault wrote: »
    Lots of commercial entities reinvest their profits back in to their own business.
    Retained earnings is not an unusual concept.

    via google since you're struggling with the concept of non-profits:
    A nonprofit organization (NPO, also known as a non-business entity) is an organization that uses its surplus revenues to further achieve its purpose or mission, rather than distributing its surplus income to the organization's directors (or equivalents) as profit or dividends.

    You quoted the transcript earlier.
    Nowhere in that transcript was there an admission of illegal selling of tissue. If you believe there is, then you can quote the text from the transcript or give a time reference in the video. Should be no problem for you since it's a standard of posting you require of others.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Money also exchanged hands when you donate blood, just saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Overheal wrote: »
    Money also exchanged hands when you donate blood, just saying.

    Nope.

    Not in this country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Some of you guys have more patience than I ever would when trying to explain the difference between a creditable unbiased source and a pro-life blog.

    Amazing how blind opinions and strong beliefs can make people sometimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Delirium wrote: »
    via google since you're struggling with the concept of non-profits:

    Incorrect.

    Explain to me how Planned Parenthoods net assets increased from $1.159 billion at the start of it's financial year, to $1.244 billion by the end of the same year?

    planned%20parenthood.JPG?dl=0


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    hinault wrote: »
    Incorrect.

    Explain to me how Planned Parenthoods net assets increased from $1.159 billion at the start of it's financial year, to $1.244 billion by the end of the same year?

    Assets and profits are different things.

    Your local gaa club will have assets but it won't have profits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Jayop wrote: »
    Assets and profits are different things.

    Your local gaa club will have assets but it won't have profits.

    The increase in net assets is as a result of net surplus between what was earned and what was spent ie. profit, in that financial year.

    These butchers earned $1.246 billion and they spent, net, $1,161 billion, giving a profit €85 million.

    That's how net assets increased from $1.159 billion at the start of the financial year, to $1.244 billion by the end of the same year.

    planned%20parenthood.JPG?dl=0


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    hinault wrote: »
    Incorrect.

    Explain to me how Planned Parenthoods net assets increased from $1.159 billion at the start of it's financial year, to $1.244 billion by the end of the same year?
    You've posted the answer yourself. They had a surplus of revenue over expenses of $87.4 million. Since, as a non-profit, they are not permitted to pay their surplus to owners/shareholders/founders in the form of dividends, it goes into reserves, available to fund the activities of the enterprise in future years. Accumulated reserves are included in net assets. Hence, net assets go up.

    In any year in which expenses exceed revenue, net assets will go down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    hinault wrote: »
    Nope.

    Not in this country.
    Yes, it does.

    The blood donor isn't paid, but the blood transfusion service sells the blood to hospitals. How else do you think they fund their operation?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    You've posted the answer yourself. They had a surplus of revenue over expenses of $87.4 million. Since, as a non-profit, they are not permitted to pay their surplus to owners/shareholders/founders in the form of dividends, it goes into reserves, available to fund the activities of the enterprise in future years. Accumulated reserves are included in net assets. Hence, net assets go up.

    In any year in which expenses exceed revenue, net assets will go down.

    The point being that a company cannot reinvest a loss to increase it's net assets.

    Therefore a company can only reinvest a profit to increase it's net assets.
    Which is what Planned Parenthood does with it's profits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Peregrinus wrote: »

    The blood donor isn't paid, but the blood transfusion service sells the blood to hospitals. How else do you think they fund their operation?

    Incorrect.
    Re-read the statement that was made earlier.

    The assertion made was that money is exchanged when I donated blood.
    Money also exchanged hands when you donate blood

    No money is exchanged when I make a blood donation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    The accountants usually distinguish between surplus, the excess of receipts over spending, and profit, the material benefit derived from ownership of the enterprise.

    And the concept of "non-profit" invokes the latter sense. A non-profit is not required to trade at a loss, or on a break-even basis. They can make as much surplus as they like, but they cannot distribute it to investors/owners/founders, so it will never be profit in the technical sense. The just use it to grow the enterprise. That's how outfits like the Wellcome Trust and the Church Commissioners for England get to such large sizes, starting sometimes from quite small endowments.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    hinault wrote: »
    Incorrect.
    Re-read the statement that was made earlier.

    The assertion made was that money is exchanged when I donated blood.

    No money is exchanged when I make a blood donation.

    I don't think Overheal meant you specifically. I mean how would he know you have donated blood for a start?

    I read it as 'a person' rather than 'hinault'.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,753 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Many countries pay donors for blood.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    hinault wrote: »
    Nope.

    Not in this country.

    We're talking about the United States firstly; and you think there are no storage, transportation or indeed extraction costs to donating blood? Who foots the bill?


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  • Moderators Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Bobby Jindal Cuts Off Medicaid Funding to Planned Parenthoods In Louisiana
    Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) announced he had ended the state's Medicaid contract with Planned Parenthood in response to an anti-abortion "sting" video campaign against the reproductive health service.



    “In recent weeks, it has been shocking to see reports of the alleged activities taking place at Planned Parenthood facilities across the country. Planned Parenthood does not represent the values of the people of Louisiana and shows a fundamental disrespect for human life," Jindal said in a statement. "It has become clear that this is not an organization that is worthy of receiving public assistance from the state."


    The move comes despite the fact that the two Planned Parenthood clinics in Louisiana do not provide abortion, which Planned Parenthood confirmed to the state's Department of Health and Hospitals as part of the state's ongoing investigation into claims that the organization is profiting off of aborted fetal tissue donations. A third clinic being built in New Orleans plans to offer abortion, but will not participate in the tissue donation programs, a Planned Parenthood executive told the state.


    So the clinics are defunded even though they don't even perform abortions? That's bad enough but there hasn't been any evidence from the investigations of any illegal tissue sales. Very disappointing.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Delirium wrote: »
    Bobby Jindal Cuts Off Medicaid Funding to Planned Parenthoods In Louisiana




    So the clinics are defunded even though they don't even perform abortions? That's bad enough but there hasn't been any evidence from the investigations of any illegal tissue sales. Very disappointing.

    It's the mentality of "I always knew they were evil!" They don't need actual evidence, they are just latching on to any accusation that seems to confirm their existing beliefs.

    As for Bobby Jindal, it doesn't matter if he believes it or not as long as enough potential voters do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    The accountants usually distinguish between surplus, the excess of receipts over spending, and profit, the material benefit derived from ownership of the enterprise.

    And the concept of "non-profit" invokes the latter sense. A non-profit is not required to trade at a loss, or on a break-even basis. They can make as much surplus as they like, but they cannot distribute it to investors/owners/founders, so it will never be profit in the technical sense. The just use it to grow the enterprise. That's how outfits like the Wellcome Trust and the Church Commissioners for England get to such large sizes, starting sometimes from quite small endowments.

    Profit in the technical sense :D

    Planned Parenthood's own financial statement show that it earned a net profit for that financial year.
    Their own disclosures gives their game away.

    Whether the profit is distributed as a dividend or reinvested as part of retained earnings/capital, doesn't obviate the fact that profits were generated by these butchers.

    There are only two ways in which net assets increase in value between the beginning of the year and the end of the year.

    Either a profit is earned for the year and the profit is reinvested by way of retained earnings.
    Or a shareholder invests more capital in the business, allowing the company to acquire more assets.

    The give away in Planned Parenthood's case is that the increase in it's net assets is the exact different between it's disclosed net earnings and it's disclosed net expenditure. This is called profit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Overheal wrote: »
    We're talking about the United States

    No. You are talking about the United States.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    hinault wrote: »
    No. You are talking about the United States.

    To be fair, the entire thread is about Planned Parenthood in the US. Read the first post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    hinault wrote: »
    Profit in the technical sense :D

    Planned Parenthood's own financial statement show that it earned a net profit for that financial year.
    Their own disclosures gives their game away.

    Whether the profit is distributed as a dividend or reinvested as part of retained earnings/capital, doesn't obviate the fact that profits were generated by these butchers.

    There are only two ways in which net assets increase in value between the beginning of the year and the end of the year.

    Either a profit is earned for the year and the profit is reinvested by way of retained earnings.
    Or a shareholder invests more capital in the business, allowing the company to acquire more assets.

    The give away in Planned Parenthood's case is that the increase in it's net assets is the exact different between it's disclosed net earnings and it's disclosed net expenditure. This is called profit.

    Yes, they made a profit, as any organisation that performs it's purpose well will do. What exactly is your point?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Many countries pay donors for blood.

    Think you can get paid for quite a few body fluids in the U.S. I would assume it's what they do there that would matter unless PP are working in Ireland.

    At least if it was in Ireland they could get away with it. The state would even pay the damages for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    I wonder would the hard working butchers appreciate using their title in a disparaging sense?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    hinault wrote: »
    Profit in the technical sense :D

    Planned Parenthood's own financial statement show that it earned a net profit for that financial year.
    Their own disclosures gives their game away.
    Oh in that case no controversy no investigations lets call it a day :rolleyes: surely with the evidence *right there* that PP is making a "profit", it will only be a matter of moments before congress defunds them! Lets watch O_O

    congress.jpg


    ...........aaaaaany minute now...

    Oh wait, because their financial statements aren't actually evidence of any wrongdoing. This might take a while.

    In the meantime, here is brain food:

    Planned Parenthood is not selling parts, you <snip> idiot ed: NSFW; some swearing

    Snopes weighs in somewhat (news article, not a true/false)

    http://m.snopes.com/fetal-tissue-sales/

    edit: OMG even though I was being ironic, the Senate DID actually just have a vote on this. Unsurprisingly, they did not vote to defund Planned Parenthood. Sorry!

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/politics/senate-planned-parenthood-defunding-legislation/

    On the bright side, those butchers who don't conduct any abortions in all 2 of Louisiana's PP facilities are losing their state medicare funding thanks to Gov. Jindal.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jindal-louisiana-planned-parenthood-medicaid

    Speaking on the decision, Jindal declared his reasoning for the action to be "reports of the alleged activities taking place at Planned Parenthood facilities across the country." [emphasis mine] Guilty until proven innocent I guess. In other news, Jindal loses the women vote - and still trails far behind Donald Trump in the presidential election circuit. The humanity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    Another Video released -

    In the latest video, the fifth released by Irvine, California-based Center for Medical Progress, an official from Planned Parenthood discusses the procurement and cost of intact fetuses. The video, we should warn you, is graphic.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/08/planned-parenthood-video/400472/
    "If we alter our process, and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, then we can make it part of the budget"
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/04/planned-parenthood-official-docs-alter-abortion-procedures-price-structure/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Two Sheds wrote: »

    Have you watched the video? You keep posting these as if they have any new information. Apart from the shock value of the last few minutes, this is exactly the same as the others and adds no additional information.

    Still not evidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    robdonn wrote: »
    Have you watched the video? You keep posting these as if they have any new information. Apart from the shock value of the last few minutes, this is exactly the same as the others and adds no additional information.

    Still not evidence.
    The videos are in perfect keeping with the thread.

    The noose is tightening on Planned Parenthood. I believe it's going to be a slam-dunk before much longer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Please.

    If it was a slam dunk, the activist group behind the videos wouldn't be dispensing the evidence in this protracted piecemeal fashion; they would have dumped the videos they had for all to see.

    The actual motive for the piecemeal "leaks" of videos is to keep planned parenthood in the news in a negative light; new releases are timed with the story losing its momentum or being swept up by other news (Malaysian airlines wreckage for instance). Keep dragging it out long enough for the radio hosts and the evening talk shows to spin their take on it and keep the alleged charges in people's minds. These same tactics were famously used to get the American people to believe that as a matter of fact Iraq had chemical weapons of mass destruction. Tell a lie enough times until it becomes truth.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,922 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    The videos are in perfect keeping with the thread.

    The noose is tightening on Planned Parenthood. I believe it's going to be a slam-dunk before much longer.

    yeah, because that'd be a good thing :rolleyes:

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    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Delirium wrote: »
    yeah, because that'd be a good thing :rolleyes:

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    You need to remember that some of the posters here would also have an objection to the supply of contraception. Basically they just have a problem with women in general having any control over their reproductive functions.

    MrP


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