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Sanctity of Life (Abortion Megathread)

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    #2462
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    He's not the one with blood lust for killing kids before they're born.

    MOD NOTE

    Considering I just posted warning another poster about getting personal, your antagonistic post isn't helping the standard of the discussion.

    Please try to raise the standard of your contributions.

    Thanks for your attention.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #2463
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    frag420 wrote: »
    Correct, he is one who will force a woman to carry through a pregnancy knowing full well that the the fetus will not survive only to appease a beardy bloke in the clouds!!

    Cattolico, what gives you the right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body?

    Please answer......

    There's two bodies involved not one.


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    #2464
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    There's two bodies involved not one.

    Can I use your body if I need to to vindicate my right to life?


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    #2465
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    There's two bodies involved not one.

    And I am talking about the woman, her body!

    So what gives any of you (Catollico, Le Fenetre etc) the right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.

    Before you answer please do not mention a child or foetus or two bodies, I am talking about you interfering with another persons rights and bodily integrity!

    So if you don't mind giving a straight answer to a straight question please!


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    #2466
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    There's two bodies involved not one.

    With the case mentioned above, what is gained by making her delivering a stillborn child instead of allowing her to have an abortion?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #2467
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    frag420 wrote: »
    And I am talking about the woman, her body!

    So what gives any of you (Catollico, Lazygal, Le Fenetre etc) the right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.

    Before you answer please do not mention a child or foetus or two bodies, I am talking about you interfering with another persons rights and bodily integrity!

    So if you don't mind giving a straight answer to a straight question please!

    You can't ignore the rights of the other human life as well. That's the actual point. There's two lives affected by any action, not one.


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    #2468
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    You can't ignore the rights of the other human life as well. That's the actual point. There's two lives affected by any action, not one.

    Is it ok to kill my unborn child if I'm able to travel to do so?


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    #2469
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    You can't ignore the rights of the other human life as well. That's the actual point. There's two lives affected by any action, not one.

    But you can ignore the question being asked!!

    Ok again can you tell me what gives YOU the right to tell another woman what she can and cannot do with HER body?

    Please just answer the question!!


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    #2470
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    frag420 wrote: »
    But you can ignore the question being asked!!

    Ok again can you tell me what gives YOU the right to tell another woman what she can and cannot do with HER body?

    Please just answer the question!!

    Which body, the mother or her childs ?
    You can do whatever you want, as long as you're not negatively affecting another human life.
    Again, you keep pretending there is only one life involved, there are two lives involved not one, and no has superior rights over another human life.


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    #2471
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    You can do whatever you want, as long as you're not negatively affecting another human life.

    Again, you keep pretending there is only one life involved, there are two lives involved not one, and no has superior rights over another human life.

    So what the hell are you doing telling women they can't have an abortion if you don't have rights over another life! What business of yours is it if a woman needs an abortion?!

    surely you interfering in another persons life where they need an abortion is going to negatively affect them no!? Hypocrisy much?

    Will it affect you in any way, shape or form? Has the 1000's of women who have already traveled abroad had any impact on your life whatsoever?


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    #2472
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    frag420 wrote: »
    So what the hell are you doing telling women they can't have an abortion if you don't have rights over another life! What business of yours is it if a woman needs an abortion?!

    Will it affect you in any way, shape or form? Has the 1000's of women who have already traveled abroad had any impact on your life whatsoever?

    Who are you to dictate what's done to a child's body ? Will it affect them in any way ?


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    #2473
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    Who are you to dictate what's done to a child's body ? Will it affect them in any way ?

    ok again you are not answering the questions asked. if you can't answer them then please just say so and we can move on.

    I am not dictating anything about a childs body, I am showing support for a woman and her right to decide what happens with her body!!

    So again can you please just answer the questions asked of you if thats not too difficult


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    #2474
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    Who are you to dictate what's done to a child's body ? Will it affect them in any way ?

    and how is denying an abortion to a woman whose foetus has been diagnosed with a fatal abornormality, as mentioned recently, going to alter the final outcome for the foetus?

    What is gained by making the woman carry the foetus until she delivers it stillborn?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #2475
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    frag420 wrote: »
    ok again you are not answering the questions asked. if you can't answer them then please just say so and we can move on.

    I am not dictating anything about a childs body, I am showing support for a woman and her right to decide what happens with her body!!

    So again can you please just answer the questions asked of you if thats not too difficult

    There are two bodies involved not one, there are two lives involved not one, you can't kill a human life to make another person feel better.


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    #2476
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    There are two bodies involved not one, there are two lives involved not one, you can't kill a human life to make another person feel better.

    And you can't use a person's body against their will to save the life of another.


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    #2477
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    There are two bodies involved not one, there are two lives involved not one, you can't kill a human life to make another person feel better.

    So if you wont answer the questions the why take part in a debate? This is a discussion forum, to a soapbox!!

    I did the decent thing and answered your question above....can you not afford me the same courtesy?

    Surely that would be the Christian thing to do no?


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    #2478
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    There are two bodies involved not one, there are two lives involved not one, you can't kill a human life to make another person feel better.

    It's not killing a person if there is no chance of life. It's just prolonging the agony for the family involved. In the case of ffa the woman is nothing more than a life support machine. There is no dignity for her being forced to carry to term, little regard for her life and no dignity in allowing a foetus to continue under such circumstances.


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    #2479
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    frag420 wrote: »
    So if you wont answer the questions the why take part in a debate? This is a discussion forum, to a soapbox!!

    I did the decent thing and answered your question above....can you not afford me the same courtesy?

    Surely that would be the Christian thing to do no?

    I'll answer it again for you, there are two lives and bodies involved not one. You can't harm one just because someone else demands you do, and it's nothing to do with Christianity.


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    #2480
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    I'll answer it again for you, there are two lives and bodies involved not one. You can't harm one just because someone else demands you do.

    What harm is done to a foetus by aborting that would be avoided by it being delivered stillborn?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #2481
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    I'll answer it again for you, there are two lives and bodies involved not one. You can't harm one just because someone else demands you do.

    One life and one potential life. They are not and will never be equal in the eyes of most reasonable people. The woman's life and well-being, her wishes and choices will always be first. Most women don't have abortions for the fun of it, they put a lot of thought into it and if they decide to have one who are we to say they are wrong?


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    #2482
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    I'll answer it again for you, there are two lives and bodies involved not one. You can't harm one just because someone else demands you do.

    Please read the questions again because I didn't ask you how many lives were involved.

    You can't harm one because someone else demands you do......so potentially harming a woman's health/life because you demand she cant have an abortion is what exactly??

    So again let me ask you a very simple question. If a woman living at the opposite side of the country to you decided to have an abortion......HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOU??


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    #2483
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    Delirium wrote: »
    What harm is done to a foetus by aborting that would be avoided by it being delivered stillborn?

    Are you taking about poisoning and / dismembering them first, or are you talking about a natural death ?


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    #2484
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    frag420 wrote: »
    Please read the questions again because I didn't ask you how many lives were involved.

    You can't harm one because someone else demands you do......so potentially harming a woman's health/life because you demand she cant have an abortion is what exactly??

    So again let me ask you a very simple question. If a woman living at the opposite side of the country to you decided to have an abortion......HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOU??

    The same way it affect's you if another person is killed.


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    #2485
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    The same way it affect's you if another person is killed.

    It's not a person.....


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    #2486
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    Are you taking about poisoning and / dismembering them first, or are you talking about a natural death ?

    I'm asking what is gained by denying an abortion only for the woman to deilver the child stillborn?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #2487
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    Are you taking about poisoning and / dismembering them first, or are you talking about a natural death ?

    Are you saying that aborting a foetus at 20 weeks is worse than allowing it to develop to a point where it can feel pain and die naturally in potentially silent agony?


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    #2488
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    Delirium wrote: »
    I'm asking what is gained by denying an abortion only for the woman to deilver the child stillborn?

    Well again, that depends on if the child is alive or dead. Were they poisoned and / or dismembered beforehand or did they die naturally ?


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    #2489
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    robdonn wrote: »
    Are you saying that aborting a foetus at 20 weeks is worse than allowing it to develop to a point where it can feel pain and die naturally in potentially silent agony?

    Is ok to kill a human life if they can't feel any pain when you do ?


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    #2490
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    Is ok to kill a human life if they can't feel any pain when you do ?

    So you think that life in any form trumps quality of life?


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    #2491
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    Well again, that depends on if the child is alive or dead. Were they poisoned and / or dismembered beforehand or did they die naturally ?

    In cases of ffa there is no such procedures but don't let the truth get in the way of the usual emotional rubbish


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