Three Ireland removes ad after mob misinterpret it

GLaDOS · 15-07-2015 8:40pm

Custardpi wrote: »

Heaven forbid they might ask someone or look for information online instead of jumping straight into outrage mode of course.

I agree the outrage is an overreaction, I'm just saying I can understand how it was misinterpreted.

NachoBusiness · 15-07-2015 8:40pm

bluewolf wrote: »

It's picking a popular movie ending twist and saying it's ruining the movie finale for them

Indeed, and even when you give respect to how it may "come across" (ie: ignore the movie reference and just focus on the large font) it still doesn't come across to me as being transphobic.

What I mean is, you couldn't even be of the opinion that they were being transphobic and the movie reference below was their get out of jail clause.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Uriel. · 15-07-2015 8:40pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

As someone who hasn't seen the movie, I didn't get that reference at all. Easy to see how people who haven't wouldn't get it.

So then what, the default setting is to be outraged? Ffs

Son Of A Vidic · 15-07-2015 8:41pm

Soon we'll be suing ourselves for causing an offense to oneself.

15-07-2015 8:41pm

Before I saw the bit about the movie I thought it was online dating and a funny mix up or something

Links234 · 15-07-2015 8:41pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

The Ad wasn't about trans people...stop trying to make it an issue.
You live in a world where misunderstandings and misinterpretations occur. Either wrap yourself up in cotton wool or become the type of person who doesn't get offended by every slight - real or imagined.

I've neither made it an issue, nor taken offense. All I asked was that folks try and see how the ad might come across.

irish_goat · 15-07-2015 8:43pm

If that ad is the worst thing you see today you have a pretty sweet life.

Merces · 15-07-2015 8:43pm

Another day another trans bashing thread. As a transsexual myself I'm delighted they decided to remove that ad'. My life as a transwoman is hard enough what with job discrimination and parental rejection without being taken the piss out off on national t.v. via insulting stereotypes. Try my life for a week and you would soon change your tune. You are on the wrong side of history.

Moreover the people complaining about it being removed really need to understand economics. They were not forced to remove the ad, they choose to remove it- supply and demand etc. Seriously guys it's economics 101.

How Soon Is Now · 15-07-2015 8:44pm

You really honestly can't do or say anything anymore without offending someone the way society has gone.

Everyday there's something new to be outraged about........ Uhh.

Wibbs · 15-07-2015 8:44pm

RedemptionZ wrote: »

And I ****ing hate tumblr. Are there any non 'middle class girl but I'm still oppressed and get offended for every minority ever concocted' on it?

Well if you live in the liberal western world where all your basic needs are met and the majority of the whims of the over stimulated online mind are catered for, you kinda have to make up drama to get the drama fix that seems to be required by the type.

Uriel. · 15-07-2015 8:46pm

Merces wrote: »

Another day another trans bashing thread.

What the actual f**k?

Clandestine · 15-07-2015 8:46pm

Merces wrote: »

Another day another trans bashing thread. As a transsexual myself I'm delighted they decided to remove that ad'.

No one is bashing trans people, only the offense that people took to this ad.

Merces wrote: »

My life as a transwoman is hard enough what with job discrimination and parental rejection

I'm sorry to hear that

Merces wrote: »

Moreover they people complaining about it being removed really need to understand economics. They were not forced to remove the ad, they choose to remove it- supply and demand etc.

They chose to remove it because they were set upon by the perpetually offended social justice brigade, who want anything that they misconstrue as being offensive removed - and threaten action against those who don't bow down

Eeden · 15-07-2015 8:47pm

To be fair, transphobia is still a huge, huge deal, and something that I've become much more aware of in recent times. It seems to be one of the last "acceptable" things to point and laugh at, which must be so wearying (to say the least) if you are transgender.

I'm not transgender, but I have to admit, when I saw the photograph that is the first thing I thought of - that they were taking the piss out of transgender people. You can't see the "explanation" in the Journal.ie photo.

Dogowner55 · 15-07-2015 8:50pm

"Here lies Firedorn, a hero in bed.

He once was alive, but now he's dead.

The last woman he bedded, turned out a man

And crying in shame, off a cliff he ran."

Wibbs · 15-07-2015 8:52pm

Merces wrote: »

They were not forced to remove the ad, they choose to remove it- supply and demand etc. Seriously guys it's economics 101.

Utter nonsense. These days all it needs is a couple of loud voices on social media to shame companies and people. Nothing to do with supply and demand or "economics 101" Facepalm*. The overwhelming majority of people who walked past that ad, either didn't notice it or didn't care and certainly didn't take to arsebook and twatter to complain about it.

Custardpi · 15-07-2015 8:52pm

Eeden wrote: »

I'm not transgender, but I have to admit, when I saw the photograph that is the first thing I thought of - that they were taking the piss out of transgender people. You can't see the "explanation" in the Journal.ie photo.

But why would a company just randomly decide to insult transgender people? What would be the point? Would their next ad then say "Have Fun at the Lynching With 3 All You Can Eat Data?"

jahalpin · 15-07-2015 8:52pm

Have people lost the plot completely?

The ad was referring to the ending of the Crying Game, a film

I find it highly unlikely that anyone would actually be offended by this ad and this is yet another example of the PC brigade overreacting to the simplest of things

jahalpin · 15-07-2015 8:54pm

Custardpi wrote: »

But why would a company just randomly decide to insult transgender people? What would be the point? Would their next ad then say "Have Fun at the Lynching With 3 All You Can Eat Data?"

How old are you? I bet you're probably not old enough to have even heard of the film that they are referring to ("The Crying Game" - look it up!!!!!)

15-07-2015 8:56pm

Merces wrote: »

Another day another trans bashing thread. As a transsexual myself I'm delighted they decided to remove that ad'. My life as a transwoman is hard enough what with job discrimination and parental rejection without being taken the piss out off on national t.v. via insulting stereotypes. Try my life for a week and you would soon change your tune. You are on the wrong side of history.

Moreover the people complaining about it being removed really need to understand economics. They were not forced to remove the ad, they choose to remove it- supply and demand etc. Seriously guys it's economics 101.

What are you raving about, you loon? Woe is me indeed.

Eugene Norman · 15-07-2015 8:57pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Well if you live in the liberal western world where all your basic needs are met and the majority of the whims of the over stimulated online mind are catered for, you kinda have to make up drama to get the drama fix that seems to be required by the type.

I'd prefer American females got more upset by their countries rape of the Middle East than what it is called. As would the Middle East.

15-07-2015 8:57pm

jahalpin wrote: »

How old are you? I bet you're probably not old enough to have even heard of the film that they are referring to ("The Crying Game" - look it up!!!!!)

They weren't making the point you think they were

Grab All Association · 15-07-2015 8:57pm

Custardpi wrote: »

Love this quote:

So you don't understand the reference (which is fair enough, not everyone has seen The Crying Game) but you've still decided that it's offensive?

But in The Crying Game she was a he.

It was brilliant! There was this great bit.
There was this girl, then you find out it's really a man! - He got his lad out.
You only see it for a second but you get the message.
I didn't know what it was, it's so long since I've seen one.
It was like your Billy's! Not at all.
Billy's is rounder at the top.

Little CuChulainn · 15-07-2015 8:59pm

Custardpi wrote: »

That's some of the milder stuff actually. Have a look for "Otherkin" & "Headmates" there. :eek::eek::eek:

That stuff is hilarious. I read one where the person claimed to be a former deity and in thier current life they were a psychic vampire, because they liked happy social situations, and a dragon, because they collect stuff. You'd think they are crazy or trolling but they aren't.

As to the billboard. I get that people could have misinterpreted it at first glance but even an idiot would get it after looking again and thinking about it, especially when it's viewed in the context of their other ads. It pains me that we have to cater to those that are over sensitive and quick to anger.

Eugene Norman · 15-07-2015 9:00pm

Chris___ wrote: »

But in The Crying Game she was a he.

Ok in this fictional film he was a she. But you didn't get to see the end of it because your data ran out.

osarusan · 15-07-2015 9:01pm

Chris___ wrote: »

But in The Crying Game she was a he.

This is what I was thinking - it would be other way round.

I don't think it's a reference to a specific film finale, just in general.

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 15-07-2015 9:02pm

Even with it being about The Crying Game (or some other film, fictional or otherwise), would it not still be transphobic language to say 'he is a she' or 'she is a he' about a transgender person? This is a subject I don't know much about but try to learn.

Dogowner55 · 15-07-2015 9:04pm

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Ok in this fictional film he was a she. But you didn't get to see the end of it because your data ran out.

Don't you find out he's a dude like very early in the film like in the first half hr or so.

Maybe they are referencing ace ventura, thats one happens at the end

GLaDOS · 15-07-2015 9:07pm

If nothing else, I'll never be able to watch The Crying Game after this thread, ending's been ruined :pac:

Call Me Jimmy · 15-07-2015 9:08pm

mother of non-specific deity!

Custardpi · 15-07-2015 9:09pm

Lindsey Faint Maroon wrote: »

would it not still be transphobic language to say 'he is a she' or 'she is a he' about a transgender person? This is a subject I don't know much about but try to learn.

If you're constantly looking for things to be offended by, as a small but vocal body of people online are then anything can be seen as being "phobic" about something. Offense is something that is taken, not given. Most people aren't trying to oppress or offend others. Taking a step back & dialling the outrage-o-meter back from 11 would be the healthy thing to do in this & similar cases.

Fleawuss · 15-07-2015 9:10pm

Bad advert. Obscure reference that needed explanation. Trans people have enough to put up with without the very odd "selling point" of this ad. If you're communicating with the public you'd expect the creators of an ad campaign to understand that an Irish audience is more diverse than was previously allowed to be admitted. Maybe referring to a 1992 movie says a lot about it.

Dogowner55 · 15-07-2015 9:14pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

If nothing else, I'll never be able to watch The Crying Game after this thread, ending's been ruined :pac:

It happens early on you find out it's a dude that not and ending spoiler and you would realise in the first 5 min anyway, it's not a convincing trap

osarusan · 15-07-2015 9:17pm

Three said it is part of a series of 'stuff you miss when your data runs out' - is this the first one of the series to be seen or have there been others?

NachoBusiness · 15-07-2015 9:17pm

Fleawuss wrote: »

Bad advert. Obscure reference that needed explanation. Trans people have enough to put up with without the very odd "selling point" of this ad. If you're communicating with the public you'd expect the creators of an ad campaign to understand that an Irish audience is more diverse than was previously allowed to be admitted. Maybe referring to a 1992 movie says a lot about it.

Like I said above, it would be understandable if the large font, minus the reference, was transphobic, but it's not, in the least.

Secondly, in the movie The Crying Game, He doesn't tun out to be a She at all.. She actually turns out to be a He.

Custardpi · 15-07-2015 9:19pm

Fleawuss wrote: »

Bad advert. Obscure reference that needed explanation. Trans people have enough to put up with without the very odd "selling point" of this ad. If you're communicating with the public you'd expect the creators of an ad campaign to understand that an Irish audience is more diverse than was previously allowed to be admitted. Maybe referring to a 1992 movie says a lot about it.

So it's not a great advert. So, what? Plenty of those about which don't attract that kind of outrage. Once again, why would a company decide to randomly insult a minority group as a "selling point"? It makes no sense if you stop & think about it for a moment. Sadly that appears to be too much of an effort for some people.

Fudge You · 15-07-2015 9:20pm

Wibbs wrote: »

TBH as the days and weeks go by I am really getting a pain in my behind with the near constant array of a minority of special snowflakes taking "offence" at every bloody thing and crying "phobic" at every bloody turn.

I dont know if it is offensive or not.
But I do think it is the an awful ad. Just terrible.

riffmongous · 15-07-2015 9:21pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

If nothing else, I'll never be able to watch The Crying Game after this thread, ending's been ruined :pac:

It's not even the ending though, that section is bookended by two IRA plots that no one ever remembers

Dogowner55 · 15-07-2015 9:21pm

Custardpi wrote: »

So it's not a great advert. So, what? Plenty of those about which don't attract that kind of outrage. Once again, why would a company decide to randomly insult a minority group as a "selling point"? It makes no sense if you stop & think about it for a moment. Sadly that appears to be too much of an effort for some people.

It wasn't insulting though

Custardpi · 15-07-2015 9:22pm

Dogowner55 wrote: »

It wasn't insulting though

Eh, that's the point I'm making....

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 15-07-2015 9:24pm

Custardpi wrote: »

If you're constantly looking for things to be offended by, as a small but vocal body of people online are then anything can be seen as being "phobic" about something. Offense is something that is taken, not given. Most people aren't trying to oppress or offend others. Taking a step back & dialling the outrage-o-meter back from 11 would be the healthy thing to do in this & similar cases.

Well misgendering someone by saying 'he is a she' or 'she is a he' sounds like both trying to oppress that person's identity and offend them if you're aware they're transgender and go by particular pronouns. Just because it might not be intentional, doesn't mean it's not problematic.

NachoBusiness · 15-07-2015 9:25pm

osarusan wrote: »

Three said it is part of a series of 'stuff you miss when your data runs out' - is this the first one of the series to be seen or have there been others?

Yes, there was..

Sorry Vodafone customers, your team scored in extra time after you’d used all your data’.

Custardpi · 15-07-2015 9:28pm

Lindsey Faint Maroon wrote: »

Well misgendering someone by saying 'he is a she' or 'she is a he' sounds like both trying to oppress that person's identity and offend them if you're aware they're transgender and go by particular pronouns. Just because it might not be intentional, doesn't mean it's not problematic.

So Three are aware of the gender identification of every single person who walks/drives/cycles past each of their billboards & are seeking to "oppress" them on that basis? Sounds positively Orwellian. Not sure where the financial gain is though

c_man · 15-07-2015 9:29pm

Jesus Christ. I blame people taking their corporate mandated inclusion and diversity training/year goal, a bit too seriously. It's just supposed to be a laugh lads.

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 15-07-2015 9:32pm

Custardpi wrote: »

So Three are aware of the gender identification of every single person who walks/drives/cycles past each of their billboards & are seeking to "oppress" them on that basis? Sounds positively Orwellian. Not sure where the financial gain is though

I'm just making a comment on the language used in reference to transgender people. If the ad isn't meant to refer to a transgender person (catfishing or something) then they're free to explain what was meant. Maybe they have, I'm not sure if they've gone into specifics.

osarusan · 15-07-2015 9:33pm

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Yes, there was..

Yeah, I saw that one in the article,...but what I'm wondering is if any of the others are actually up on billboards yet, or if this was the first one.

Clandestine · 15-07-2015 9:33pm

Graham Linehan (as much as I dislike him) has given his opinion:
https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/621374695909261314
https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/621375464301445120

For Forks Sake · 15-07-2015 9:34pm

osarusan wrote: »

Three said it is part of a series of 'stuff you miss when your data runs out' - is this the first one of the series to be seen or have there been others?

There's at least two others that I'm aware of, one where you miss footage of Irelands greatest ever drop-goal, and a second where you miss footage of an amazing festival encore due to running out of data allowance. I'm sure someone is preparing to be offended somehow by those also.

Clandestine · 15-07-2015 9:34pm

Lindsey Faint Maroon wrote: »

Just because it might not be intentional, doesn't mean it's not problematic.

BOOM there it is. Took 7 pages

Custardpi · 15-07-2015 9:37pm

Clandestine wrote: »

Graham Linehan (as much as I dislike him) has given his opinion:

How could you dislike the guy who gave us Father Ted & The IT Crowd?

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 15-07-2015 9:38pm

Clandestine wrote: »

BOOM there it is. Took 7 pages

you have a problem with the word 'problematic'?

Three Ireland removes ad after mob misinterpret it

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