Guinness Pro12 2015/2016 Season thread

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Glasgow announced Nakarawe leaving for france. They must be getting a fee as he is under contract

Buer

Adbrowne wrote: »

Glasgow announced Nakarawe leaving for france. They must be getting a fee as he is under contract

Was announced in the media last month, just official confirmation.

He's got a year left to run but Racing will pay that without batting an eyelid.

irishbucsfan

I am super excited for this weekend's rugby. Pro 12 Hype.

Munster play their biggest game of the season to try to ensure they get their Champions Cup rugby next season.
Ulster v Leinster
Judgement Day in Cardiff, live from the "Please Don't Call It The" Principality Stadium (Cardiff/Ospreys clashes with Leinster/Ulster, bit of a bummer).

There'll be some really tough encounters.

Bazzo

Buer wrote: »

Adbrowne wrote: »

Glasgow announced Nakarawe leaving for france. They must be getting a fee as he is under contract

Was announced in the media last month, just official confirmation.

He's got a year left to run but Racing will pay that without batting an eyelid.

If I remember correctly at the time they said Racing were buying out his conract for 100k.

Peanuts really for a player of that calibre.

former total

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I am super excited for this weekend's rugby. Pro 12 Hype.

Munster play their biggest game of the season to try to ensure they get their Champions Cup rugby next season.
Ulster v Leinster
Judgement Day in Cardiff, live from the "Please Don't Call It The" Principality Stadium (Cardiff/Ospreys clashes with Leinster/Ulster, bit of a bummer).

There'll be some really tough encounters.

No easy games in the Pro12.

irishbucsfan

former total wrote: »

No easy games in the Pro12.

I'd definitely be taking Leinster at 9/4

awec

And I will miss it all. Bloody weddings. :mad:

irishbucsfan

awec wrote: »

And I will miss it all. Bloody weddings. :mad:

Are you getting married?!

awec

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Are you getting married?!

I am but it's not mine this weekend.

thomond2006

Quite a clearout at Glasgow, 16 players.

Confirmed departures and appearances:
Jerry Yanuyanutawa (46), Tyrone Holmes (34), Kevin Bryce (12), Will Bordill* (7), Shalva Mamukashvili (6), Fergus Scott (3), Gregor Hunter* (2), Jason Hill* (0) and Javan Sebastian* (0).

Previously confirmed departures:
Duncan Weir (106), Leone Nakarawa (66), Mike Cusack (48), Taqele Naiyaravoro (20) and Glenn Bryce (15).

Players who have retired:
James Eddie (126) and Mike Blair (12).

Winters

Im not sure how this is going to work for TV this weekend, the Pro12 site and Tg4 are saying they will be showing both the Connacht and the Munster games live at the same time.

http://www.pro12rugby.com/matchcentre/fixtures_list.php#RZfiXrbWqBMhS2xv.97

http://www.tg4.ie/en/schedule/

b.gud

Winters wrote: »

Im not sure how this is going to work for TV this weekend, the Pro12 site and Tg4 are saying they will be showing both the Connacht and the Munster games live at the same time.

http://www.pro12rugby.com/matchcentre/fixtures_list.php#RZfiXrbWqBMhS2xv.97

http://www.tg4.ie/en/schedule/

1st half of the Connacht game is on TG4 then 2d half on TG4.ie, Saorview red button and UPC channel 602.

All of the Munster game is on TG4


*EDIT To clarify even though the games are listed as the same time that is local time so given that the Connacht game is in Italy it's kicking off at half 6 which means that they are able to show the 1st half before the Munster game starts

Winters

Thanks for that.

So 3 hours of rugby on Friday night, sweet.

errlloyd

Bazzo wrote: »

If I remember correctly at the time they said Racing were buying out his conract for 100k.

Peanuts really for a player of that calibre.

I remeber it being said that to buy out a players contract you were only obliged to pay them their unearned salary. As such. So one year left makes the transfer fee one years salary.

Bazzo

errlloyd wrote: »

Bazzo wrote: »

If I remember correctly at the time they said Racing were buying out his conract for 100k.

Peanuts really for a player of that calibre.

I remeber it being said that to buy out a players contract you were only obliged to pay them their unearned salary. As such. So one year left makes the transfer fee one years salary.

Presumably that only applies if the club he is contracted to is willing to release him for that amount though.

errlloyd

Bazzo wrote: »

Presumably that only applies if the club he is contracted to is willing to release him for that amount though.

No it appears to be written into most rugby players contracts that they can buy themselves out for that much. Which is what happens. Racing give Nakrawa 100g to give Glasgow.

Bazzo

errlloyd wrote: »

Bazzo wrote: »

Presumably that only applies if the club he is contracted to is willing to release him for that amount though.

No it appears to be written into most rugby players contracts that they can buy themselves out for that much. Which is what happens. Racing give Nakrawa 100g to give Glasgow.

Is that definitely the case? I'm very surprised we don't see more of the rich clubs buying out young up and coming players who wouldn't be on a huge amount if it is.

stephen_n

Bazzo wrote: »

Is that definitely the case? I'm very surprised we don't see more of the rich clubs buying out young up and coming players who wouldn't be on a huge amount if it is.

Because most contracts are only two year ones it probably makes it less attractive to do so, when you can simply wait a year.

ClanofLams

Bazzo wrote: »

Is that definitely the case? I'm very surprised we don't see more of the rich clubs buying out young up and coming players who wouldn't be on a huge amount if it is.

I would be a bit sceptical of it too. Didn't the Welsh block Toby Faletau from moving at the start of this season?

former total

ClanofLams wrote: »

I would be a bit sceptical of it too. Didn't the Welsh block Toby Faletau from moving at the start of this season?

Yeah. The Dragons were very unhappy because they wanted to cash in while he was still under contract and Bath were offering a transfer fee.

As it is now, he'll leave on a "Bosman" and they get nothing.

Bazzo

ClanofLams wrote: »

Bazzo wrote: »

Is that definitely the case? I'm very surprised we don't see more of the rich clubs buying out young up and coming players who wouldn't be on a huge amount if it is.

I would be a bit sceptical of it too. Didn't the Welsh block Toby Faletau from moving at the start of this season?

Yeah they blocked him moving to Bath at the start of the season because he was still under contract. I suppose there's no proof that Bath were offering the full buyout price but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that kind of clause is common in player contracts either, I'm not convinced.

errlloyd

I remember thinking it was weird at the time. I imagine Faletau's buyout is much higher by virtue of higher salary

ClanofLams

errlloyd wrote: »

I remember thinking it was weird at the time. I imagine Faletau's buyout is much higher by virtue of higher salary

But if that clause exists then surely they knew it would be enforced and they would either pay up or wait? Either way there would be no controversy.

former total

Buy out clauses are not standard. That's why Faletau had to wait, why Kane Douglas needed Leinster to "release" him. The first club has to agree to it.

galwaylad14

Will there ever be a day when rugby has a transfer market like soccer I wonder? When players are bought and sold regularly when they have time to run on their contracts?

As it is now 99% of transfers are just players out of contract signing for someone else which is relatively rare in soccer as teams will tend to cash in on a player appraoching the end of their deal

I earnestly hope not.

irishbucsfan

Sad news that Harry Robinson has had to retire due to a neck injury at the age of 23.

Was previously one of those guys that Gatland gave a cap to at a ridiculously young age, always had huge potential, a shame we won't see it filled

Bazzo

Nominations for try of the season are out. 5 tries from the provinces nominated: McCloskey, Gilroy, Aki, Healy, D. Kearney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKQOY94XyKw

connemara man

Had to pick Bundee love the try

thomond2006

Aki for me

Bazzo

Yeah Aki's for me too. Brilliant finish.

connemara man

Bazzo wrote: »

Yeah Aki's for me too. Brilliant finish.

more this

Bazzo

Just took a look at the leaderboard for the golden boot there and Tovey is leading it for the year with a 79% sucess rate?! Bad year for it!

FACECUTTR

Aki try is the best

its_phil

McCloskey for me. There is just something so satisfying about holding three men off and still moving forward to score a try.

Big shout out for Gilroys feet and Buckleys pass at scrumhalf for Healys try.

Buer

I'd go for Gilroy's. Incredible feet and identifying the opportunity. Had a huge amount to do.

irishbucsfan

Tries againts italian teams dont count

wp_rathead

Best thing about Aki's try was it started in Connacht's own 22 and Healy did a trademark grubber and gather
That clip doesn't even do it justice

Buer

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Tries againts italian teams dont count

And tries against Munster do?

Come off it.

galwaylad14

Has to be Aki's alright, the offload from Robbie is just out of this world. I'm sure the context of the try isn't really factored in to something like this but the fact that it sealed our first away win against Munster in donkeys years made it all the more special. I liked McCloskey's too, really showed the power of the man.

Harsh to say that tries against Italian teams don't count but it is very noticeable how pretty much all of the tries that involve someone beating about 5 men on their way to the line come against the Italian teams which surely can't just be a coincidence. They are dreadful defensively and a great solo effort like Gilroy's, Healy's and Hogg's surely must be qualified by pointing out the standard of defending they had to get through.

OldRio

Fair play to TG4. According to the schedule they are showing both Treviso v Connacht and Munster v Edinburgh tonight. Coverage starts at 6.15pm.
Great coverage of the Rugby.

Buer

OldRio wrote: »

Fair play to TG4. According to the schedule they are showing both Treviso v Connacht and Munster v Edinburgh tonight. Coverage starts at 6.15pm.
Great coverage of the Rugby.

Only first half of Connacht. After that, it's on their website.

connemara man

Buer wrote: »

Only first half of Connacht. After that, it's on their website.

And saorview red button & UPC channel 602

irishbucsfan

They might hit 70,000 in Cardiff this weekend. That's crazy.

I'm not sure we could do that even if we had the capacity.

thomond2006

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They might hit 70,000 in Cardiff this weekend. That's crazy.

I'm not sure we could do that even if we had the capacity.

There's only tickets behind one of the posts left. Those tickets are only £10, bargain!

I wonder if it's something the IRFU will consider for the Aviva in the next few years. Leinster v Connacht & Munster v Ulster to open the season? You can rotate the team that loses a 'home' game. For Leinster I know that this would take a game away from the RDS that Leinster might be otherwise obliged to hold there due to the RDS deal...

Zzippy

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They might hit 70,000 in Cardiff this weekend. That's crazy.

I'm not sure we could do that even if we had the capacity.

It's like the Wembley games, good marketing, huge crowds, but where are the fans for all the other games?

thomond2006

Zzippy wrote: »

It's like the Wembley games, good marketing, huge crowds, but where are the fans for all the other games?

It's probably the 'one game a season' for many people, which is fine. There's no reason we couldn't do the same here and even rotate it around the country (if you can get the GAA on board). It would be nice to see some innovation to try to gain interest in the league. The Welsh in fairness have made Judgment Day popular after a few years.

Zzippy

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's probably the 'one game a season' for many people, which is fine. There's no reason we couldn't do the same here and even rotate it around the country (if you can get the GAA on board). It would be nice to see some innovation to try to gain interest in the league. The Welsh in fairness have made Judgment Day popular after a few years.

Yep, it's a great idea, well marketed. I think we'd pack the Aviva if we did it here - 2 interpros on the one day, I'd definitely travel for it.

irishbucsfan

Zzippy wrote: »

Yep, it's a great idea, well marketed. I think we'd pack the Aviva if we did it here - 2 interpros on the one day, I'd definitely travel for it.

Thinking about it, I bet we could probably even charge a fair bit more than the WRU have done a fill the Aviva, probably a lot more profitable.

former total

Zzippy wrote: »

Yep, it's a great idea, well marketed. I think we'd pack the Aviva if we did it here - 2 interpros on the one day, I'd definitely travel for it.

No reason it can't be done, just a question of how you divvy up the cash, and it would be a savage day out.


It would probably have to be Leinster v Ulster and Connacht v Munster to generate maximum incremental benefit.