Instagram have banned #curvy hastag

strelok

desertcircus wrote: »

It's nothing to do with my personal preferences. It's everything to do with the fact that a discussion of women using the word "curvy" to describe their physiques devolved almost immediately into vicious, vituperative abuse. Landwhales. Hamplanets. And pretty much every single post or comment that was needlessly brutal and cruel was directed at women who were overweight, for daring not to be ashamed for being overweight. I was heavily overweight for a solid six or seven years until I started running and cycling, and even now I'm only just dropping under the ninety-kilo mark, but not once did anyone attempt to put me down based on my weight or based on whether people found me attractive.

it has been very clear throughout the thread that most people are discussing both genders

take your gender politics elsewhere, thanksverymuch

desertcircus

Muckracker wrote: »

Women who describe themselves as 'curvy' are almost always obese landwhales.

strelok wrote: »

it has been very clear throughout the thread that most people are discussing both genders

take your gender politics elsewhere, thanksverymuch

Because I was clearly imagining the casual misogyny.

desertcircus

JC01 wrote: »

Saw this on some site earlier, every single one of the women in the pics that were attached to the story were obese. To call them "curvy" is like calling an alcoholic "fun". It's extremely unhealthy and a tad disgusting tbh.

Here's another...

Miss Demeanour

Can we just agree to....
Live and let live......
Each to their own.....
One man's meat is another man's poison.....
Whatever floats your boat....














No?
Carry on then......

desertcircus

PM me nudes wrote: »

Beyonce is curvy, not some size 20 hamplanet

I think I've made my point.

jungleman

desertcircus wrote: »

Because I was clearly imagining the casual misogyny.

When do you ever hear guys describing themselves as "curvy"? It's mostly women who do, and who describe other women as curvy. If you think the thread is focused more towards females, that's just a possible reason.

HairMare

As has been said being either morbidly obese or skin and bones thin - arent healthy options. But why is there such vilification and utter bile being spewed towards those that are fat/obese or whatever term you want to use. It wouldnt be thrown in any other direction - I know people harped on about my point on genetic pre-disposition, but there is also the way food is socialised when your growing up - tidy your room and you can have a mars bar etc - it sets a predecent on how you use food and why/when you eat it. Also if you have an issue with food (ie. over consumption ) its the one "drug" you can not avoid - you cant go cold turkey like you would with drink/drugs/alcohol - as you still need to eat to survive (yes even if your big!!!). Also it is far easier and cheaper to eat unhealthily and un healthier amounts - yes there is self control but everyone has different priorities etc - I am not sure on what point I'm trying make except, theres no need for the vilification of people based on size - it would not be allowed in regards to ethnicity / gender / orientation or even socio economic grounds. But some here seem to think its ok ...

desertcircus

jungleman wrote: »

When do you ever hear guys describing themselves as "curvy"? It's mostly women who do, and who describe other women as curvy. If you think the thread is focused more towards females, that's just a possible reason.

Guys don't describe themselves as curvy because nobody's calling them hamplanets and landwhales for the crime of not being attractive to the people hurling the insults.

strelok

not unless you think discussion of obese women is off limits altogether

muckraker was banned for generally being an asshole in several threads

the pictures in the article *ARE* of obese women (very obese), so I really don't see what your problem is there. the damage they are doing to themselves is definitely comparable with alcoholics


and hamplanet/landwhale are and have always been gender neutral insults for very fat people. they're not nice, but they are 100% gender neutral.

women do tend to post more pictures of themseves on instagram under the 'fat' tags and are far more active in the fat acceptance/fat promotion movements so maybe that's why you feel they are being unfairly targeted but misogyny it absolutely is not.

jungleman

desertcircus wrote: »

Guys don't describe themselves as curvy because nobody's calling them hamplanets and landwhales for the crime of not being attractive to the people hurling the insults.

You're taking quotes from a troll who was banned to support your argument.

strelok

desertcircus wrote: »

Guys don't describe themselves as curvy because nobody's calling them hamplanets and landwhales for the crime of not being attractive to the people hurling the insults.

ROFL


you heard it here first folks. no one insults fat men on the internet.

game over, we can all go home. we ain't topping this one.

desertcircus

strelok wrote: »

not unless you think discussion of obese women is off limits altogether

muckraker was banned for generally being an asshole in several threads

the pictures in the article *ARE* of obese women (very obese), so I really don't see what your problem is there. the damage they are doing to themselves is definitely comparable with alcoholics


and hamplanet/landwhale are and have always been gender neutral insults for very fat people. they're not nice, but they are 100% gender neutral.

women do tend to post more pictures of themseves on instagram under the 'fat' tags and are far more active in the fat acceptance/fat promotion movements so maybe that's why you feel they are being unfairly targeted but misogyny it absolutely is not.

Landwhale is on Urban Dictionary as referring to a woman. Google Image Search returns at least ten times as many pictures of overweight women as overweight men when you search for landwhale. Hamplanet's image search is just wall-to-wall overweight women. The truly vitriolic and vicious stuff tends extremely heavily towards women.

jungleman

desertcircus wrote: »

Landwhale is on Urban Dictionary as referring to a woman. Google Image Search returns at least ten times as many pictures of overweight women as overweight men when you search for landwhale. Hamplanet's image search is just wall-to-wall overweight women. The truly vitriolic and vicious stuff tends extremely heavily towards women.

And absolutely none of this could possibly be women aiming insults at women, no?

strelok

desertcircus wrote: »

Landwhale is on Urban Dictionary as referring to a woman. Google Image Search returns at least ten times as many pictures of overweight women as overweight men when you search for landwhale. Hamplanet's image search is just wall-to-wall overweight women. The truly vitriolic and vicious stuff tends extremely heavily towards women.

yeah, as I said you get far more women posting in the fat acceptance horse**** tags on tumblr/instagram so they get far more attention.

that's not misogyny that's just market saturation.

OneOfThem

Couldn't give a sh1te if fat women want to post pictures of themselves and label themselves curvy. Why anyone could possibly care in the slightest utterly escapes me. Sure let them at it? I'm awfully confused. And get up outta that you beer swilling, coffee drinking, car driving, no fully comp heath insurance having goons with your what about my tax euro argument having gooniness. Get up outta that I said.

Wibbs

pickarooney wrote: »

The original wonderbra model?

Damn, what happened her?

She would have been about that size throughout P, nothing really happened to her as such. Your high fashion models are at the other end of the human scale and are teeny tiny. Sometimes naturally. other times not so much. Same for most Hollywood film starlets.

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

The easiest thing we could do it just not be a dick to other people.

Just live and let live. If it's not affecting you personally, leave people to it.

Pretty much my take too JT. "Oh I don't like fat women/men". Big deal, then go and chat up skinny ones then. Simples.

If someone is obese to the point of disability, you can be damn sure there's a serious mental illness behind it.

If someone is underweight to the point of downy hair appearing on their bodies and periods stopping, they're also mentally ill.

True and true.

Nobody WANTS to be obese or severely underweight. Nobody sets out to become either of the two extremes, at least not those in a healthy frame of mind.

Extremes in weight on either end are bad.

Agreeing with you again JT. Extreme folks have other stuff going on and those extremes have been pretty much always been with us.

Where I would have somewhat of a non personal issue is how what is considered "normal" has been steadily creeping upwards towards the heavy. In both genders too BTW. In the US it's more evident and on the other hand not, in that the media reflects both teeny people who are an increasing minority while also giving the "you go girl" *neck snap* to the increasingly heavy.

As a weird but kinda relevant illustration of how things have changed, you may notice that one of the forums I'm into(see left) is watches. I collect/hoard old watches. Many do. It's not that sectionable. Yet. I have also collected "new old stock" vintage straps and bracelets to go with said old watches. Cos I'm mad like. Anyway what becomes very obvious is that men have gotten larger of bone(missus!). I've a very small wrist for a bloke. Just a shade under 6.5 inches in old money in circumference. If I buy a modern new strap I'm always on the last buttonhole, or I have to punch a new one. With the vintage 60/50/40/30's stuff I would have a couple more adjustments to go. I'd be thin back then, but only slightly below average. On top of that yes there were more manly men back then too. Indeed the longer straps are easier to find as new old stock, because there were fewer sold.

desertcircus wrote:

I was heavily overweight for a solid six or seven years until I started running and cycling, and even now I'm only just dropping under the ninety-kilo mark, but not once did anyone attempt to put me down based on my weight or based on whether people found me attractive.

Fair fckin play DC, that's some hard graft you're putting in there. Kudos.

And yep I agree with you DC. The "Landwhale/warpig/hamplanet" guff is pretty much entirely aimed at women and yep I would call it as misogyny too. A fat bloke with a gut is more likely to pull the "beer built that" stuff at least publicly and not get nearly so much public scrutiny as a woman carrying extra poundage(though privately he may be feeling it). Women's bodies are far more public and seen as public property in society. By both genders too BTW. While aimed much more at one gender it's a societal perception/problem.

Speaking personally DC? TBH I have more of an issue - if I had an issue at all - with a bloke piling on the pounds. Women have more sub cutaneous fat reserves by "design", fluctuating hormones that impact fat retention and most of all appetite(which is the biggie) are far more in evidence in the ladies. Never mind that this hormone profile varies a lot over 28 days, never mind from puberty to menopause and they get pregnant and all that. Many women just going on the pill can pile on the pounds in short order and they only thing that's changed is their hormonal profile.

Unless they have a genuine endocrine system issue, men have none of this shíte to deal with, testosterone builds muscle and burns fat just by being in the bloodstream. Men have more lean mass, which again burns calories just by sitting there. Higher bone density, more collagen, stronger tendons, bigger livers, more robust insulin responses etc. They should be lean, or lean enough by default.

Me; middle aged and about 1.3 Mick Jaggers on the elegantly wasted scale. Not nearly as fit as that old coot mind you. I'd be around 1.1 Keith Richards on that score.

NachoBusiness

Wibbs wrote: »

And yep I agree with you DC. The "Landwhale/warpig/hamplanet" guff is pretty much entirely aimed at women and yep I would call it as misogyny too. A fat bloke with a gut is more likely to pull the "beer built that" stuff at least publicly and not get nearly so much public scrutiny as a woman carrying extra poundage(though privately he may be feeling it). Women's bodies are far more public and seen as public property in society. By both genders too BTW. While aimed much more at one gender it's a societal perception/problem.

Would strongly disagree with the above..

Yes, women do get fat shamed more, only recently I condemned how Katie Hopkins spoke about Kelly Clarkson's appearance on the Graham Norton show but to say that this is something that is "pretty much entirely aimed at women" is incorrect. Maybe at one time it was, but that day has long since passed. Just been watching Big Brother and one of the contestants, Jack, was fat shamed on a daily basis and the biggest culprit of it, was the God damned winner.

Some recent examples:

Sean O'Brien, shamed for dancing whilst being fat.
2016 presidential candidate, Gov. Chris Christie: Chris Christie -- Is He TOO FAT to be President!?
Jonah Hill is overweight but eats more food.
Chris Brown - Belly fat shamed.
Leonardo DiCaprio - Sorry, Leonardo DiFlabrio.
Leonardo DiCaprio - Sorry, The Great Fatsby

You mention misogyny in this context. Surely so, this is misandry.

So, while I accept for sure it's predominantly an issue for women, it's still all the same very much one for men too.

SeanW

And of course, as NachoBusiness pointed out, no man has ever been "fat shamed" ever. Also, no fat woman has ever called a slim woman "skinny bitch". ever. Fat women don't write songs trashing slim women. Ever.

Wibbs

NachoBusiness wrote: »

So, while I accept for sure it's predominantly an issue for women, it's still all the same very much one for men too.

That's why I said "pretty much" NB. Do men get "fat shamed", of course. Starts young too. I remember my school days and the "fatty" of the class(who wasn't particularly fat) getting stick. I'm not saying men don't get slagged for being fat, or that there aren't men with eating disorders or men crying into their six pack, because they don't have one and such, but the overwhelming majority of that body image stuff is aimed at women. It's far more a daily basis background noise thing. And as SW notes it is applied to skinny women too.

HowAreWe

Damn I can't use that hashtag for my new vase I want to put up on Instagram now

Curvy is way too specific to ban, could be talking about anything. They should have banned #fatacceptance and #bigisbeautiful before banning curvy. They are the unhealthy ones in my opinion.

Also, does anyone else find the term "Fat Activism" hilarious?

It's not nice that people get made fun of because of their weight, but it also shouldn't be accepted either. We don't accept anorexic people and we don't allow pro-ana. So Instagram's decision is a step in the right direction towards disallowing pro-obo (though there is probably a more correct term).

You ever notice that "body comfortable" is always aimed towards fat people? This isn't to shame fat people; I like seeing them exercise, eat right, and go to the gym, because it shows they're at least trying to make the effort.

If you want true body comfortable, then this needs to apply to the extreme skinny too.

Whispered

Instagram banned it to crack down on nudity, nothing to do with obesity. That's why they haven't banned other fat related hashtags.

RandomName2

Gongoozler wrote: »

Yeah in fairness the majority of people who call themselves curvy and such are just overweight and don't want to face it. being an unhealthy weight and having an unhealthy diet and lifestyle are not things anyone should be trying to normalise or get people to accept.

I don't agree with making people feel bad about themselves but the vast majority of the time they're overweight because of eating too much of the wrong stuff and being too lazy to exercise. So no this is not something the human race needs to accept.

[devil advocate mode] #insincere

Hope we can get rid of pictures of people with physical and mental disabilities. People who are handicapped, by their very nature are a greater burden on society. Much worse than people who are fat, their conditions are generally uncureable and can only be managed. While not in favour of such people being persecuted (as such), these disabilities are not something that the human race needs to accept.

[devil advocate mode off]

Getting to the actual matter at hand Instagram was saying that that hashtag was being used for nudity and other types of images which violated their terms of use. Fair enough.

The idea that some have latched onto that some elite group of supermenche should be in charge of filtering out what types of people should be allowed have their pictures in public is bullsh*t of the highest order though, and typical of false liberalists.

Oryx

Whispered wrote: »

Instagram banned it to crack down on nudity, nothing to do with obesity. That's why they haven't banned other fat related hashtags.

This thread has developed from that into a discussion on whether larger people should celebrate being big.

weldoninhio

runawaybishop wrote: »

They arent being lambasted for being overweight, they are being lambasted for being obese and pretending they are grand.

100%, it would be the same as Guinness using Gazza as a role model for their product and using the hashtag #madasabrush

Whispered

Oryx wrote: »

This thread has developed from that into a discussion on whether larger people should celebrate being big.

I understand that. My post was in response to the post two above mine saying Instagram should be banning #bigisbeautiful etc instead of #curvy if they want to cut out obese pics

weldoninhio

HairMare wrote: »

I didnt claim there was a fat gene, i said genetic have a part to play
diabetes, heart disease are all genetically linked, yes weight increases risk factors. But skipping meals etc also puts you at a higher risk of diabetes etc. but having gum disease also puts you at a higher risk of heart disease.
Also i know ye'll all start bouncing up and down at this but people have diff bone build/ density. The issue isnt how people are fat - its that they have every right to be. whether ye like it or not...

To quote Billy Connolly, some of those girls have "fcuking massive belly bones and huge arse bones"

Cold War Kid

RandomName2 wrote: »

[devil advocate mode] #insincere

Hope we can get rid of pictures of people with physical and mental disabilities. People who are handicapped, by their very nature are a greater burden on society. Much worse than people who are fat, their conditions are generally uncureable and can only be managed. While not in favour of such people being persecuted (as such), these disabilities are not something that the human race needs to accept.

[devil advocate mode off]

Getting to the actual matter at hand Instagram was saying that that hashtag was being used for nudity and other types of images which violated their terms of use. Fair enough.

The idea that some have latched onto that some elite group of supermenche should be in charge of filtering out what types of people should be allowed have their pictures in public is bullsh*t of the highest order though, and typical of false liberalists.

What are false liberalists?

HairMare

HairMare wrote: »

oh get a life - or did that hurt snuckums feelings ???

people are entitled to be happy in their own skin whether there is more or less of it there. if they want to celebrate themselves as curvy why the hell not.

there is choice involved of course, but we are hurting no one (except the ground we walk on - i thought id get that in there first ...)

So you think that anorexic people should be allowed to be comfortable in their own skin? Or do you only have this opinion with fat people?

RandomName2

Cold War Kid wrote: »

What are false liberalists?

Typically anyone who describes themselves as liberal.

Specifically people who claim to be liberal, but espouse illiberal or downright draconian policies.

Duckjob

I never could get my head around the huge taboo we've built up in society around fatness in general and female fatness in particular. If you're fat, you're fat. If you're happy to be fat, fine. if not you can change it if you want to by:
1) Eating less crap
2) Getting move active.

It's not rocket science.

PizzamanIRL

What if I wanted to take a picture of a very dangerous, curvy road and give it the curvy hashtag?

Cold War Kid

I don't think any liberal would support a banning of fat people on Instagram.

Eat less move more is an extremely reductive way of looking at it. It's not as if people dont know this.
It fails to take into consideration any mental issues people could have (doubt anyone actually wants to be fat) or food addiction.

Plus people can be very ignorant about nutrition and exercise - deeming less pizza and a stroll to be a good strategy towards weight loss. After all it literally is "eating less moving more".

Cold War Kid

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I don't think any liberal would support a banning of fat people on Instagram.

Eat less move more is an extremely reductive way of looking at it. It's not as if people dont know this.
It fails to take into consideration any mental issues people could have (doubt anyone actually wants to be fat) or food addiction.

Plus people can be very ignorant about nutrition and exercise - deeming less pizza and a stroll to be a good strategy towards weight loss. After all it literally is "eating less moving more".

This is why I think that healthy living modules need to be introduced at primary and secondary level education, with parents backing it up at home. We were lucky in my family, because my parents rarely ever had junk food and we were all encouraged to partake in some form of exercise or activities.

Like it or not, we're at the cusp of an obesity epidemic - one that isn't going to go away unless we curb it now.

Greenmachine

Curvy just seem like a serious misnomer, anyone who is not a stick figure seems to claim it. A girl who is a size 16 or even a 36 can claim to be curvy. At what point does it begin to lose all meaning.

zeffabelli

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Would strongly disagree with the above..

Yes, women do get fat shamed more, only recently I condemned how Katie Hopkins spoke about Kelly Clarkson's appearance on the Graham Norton show but to say that this is something that is "pretty much entirely aimed at women" is incorrect. Maybe at one time it was, but that day has long since passed. Just been watching Big Brother and one of the contestants, Jack, was fat shamed on a daily basis and the biggest culprit of it, was the God damned winner.

Some recent examples:

Sean O'Brien, shamed for dancing whilst being fat.
2016 presidential candidate, Gov. Chris Christie: Chris Christie -- Is He TOO FAT to be President!?
Jonah Hill is overweight but eats more food.
Chris Brown - Belly fat shamed.
Leonardo DiCaprio - Sorry, Leonardo DiFlabrio.
Leonardo DiCaprio - Sorry, The Great Fatsby

You mention misogyny in this context. Surely so, this is misandry.

So, while I accept for sure it's predominantly an issue for women, it's still all the same very much one for men too.

We expect more from public figures.

They get paid to sustain our ideals. No one wants to see fat heroes or leaders.

When you go on these websites like Instagram and Facebook you are to some extent making yourself a public figure.

Can't stand the heat, then don't do it.

hatrickpatrick

SJWs getting their way again. God dammit.
Platform providers are not supposed to act as enforcers of "good taste" or "good morals". This trend is genuinely terrifying - the mainstream internet has evolved from thousands of small, individual websites to a handful of large platform providers hosting individual "boxes" for each user instead. Once those start calling the shots of what is and isn't ok to post, internet freedom takes a gigantic amount of damage.

zeffabelli

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

SJWs getting their way again. God dammit.
Platform providers are not supposed to act as enforcers of "good taste" or "good morals". This trend is genuinely terrifying - the mainstream internet has evolved from thousands of small, individual websites to a handful of large platform providers hosting individual "boxes" for each user instead. Once those start calling the shots of what is and isn't ok to post, internet freedom takes a gigantic amount of damage.

It's neo Puritanism. Pops it's head up every few decades.... McCarthy era.... Political correctness... The disease is out of remission again.

hatrickpatrick

zeffabelli wrote: »

It's neo Puritanism. Pops it's head up every few decades.... McCarthy era.... Political correctness... The disease is out of remission again.

That's a pretty good point. I suppose the only reason I find it so frightening is because I was lucky enough to grow up in the 90s and the 00s, when internet freedom was at its peak purely because it had grown faster than those who oppose such freedom were able to get a handle on it.

Today, those who oppose the freedom are determinedly trying to sink their fangs into it, but there's a large enough faction of people who experienced the 90s and 00s and are determined to defend it, that it's not an easy battle fo predict the outcome of. The massive sh!tstorm which has engulfed Reddit over the last year or so is a pretty good example of where those who defend it seem to be winning, whereas Facebook banning things like breastfeeding photos is a pretty good example of where the anti-freedom side is winning.

I guess I'm just disappointed because I always felt that Instagram was slightly less loopy than a lot of the other platforms. But now that they're owned by Facebook, I suppose this kind of thing shouldn't be too surprising.

Cold War Kid

Patrick and Zeffa, what the hell are ye on about? You're so obsessed with sjw spotting (I kinda feel ye'd be gutted if ye didn't have it to complain about tbh) and repressive political correctness (which I personally never encounter day to day apart from the Internet and people talking about it) that you're blinded by it and applying it where it isn't relevant.

How on earth have ye got it into your heads that sjw types would want fat people images banned from Instagram?
CLEARLY they would take the opposite stance.

darkpagandeath

Greenmachine wrote: »

Curvy just seem like a serious misnomer, anyone who is not a stick figure seems to claim it. A girl who is a size 16 or even a 36 can claim to be curvy. At what point does it begin to lose all meaning.

When you are obese. Size 16 for most females would be obese.

HairMare

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So you think that anorexic people should be allowed to be comfortable in their own skin? Or do you only have this opinion with fat people?

I think anyone who is hurting no one only themselves has that right to be whatever way they see fit. Obviously no one wants
To see anyone die from either extreme. But you only see people hating on us that are fat

zeffabelli

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Patrick and Zeffa, what the hell are ye on about? You're so obsessed with sjw spotting (I kinda feel ye'd be gutted if ye didn't have it to complain about tbh) and repressive political correctness (which I personally never encounter day to day apart from the Internet and people talking about it) that you're blinded by it and applying it where it isn't relevant.

How on earth have ye got it into your heads that sjw types would want fat people images banned from Instagram?
CLEARLY they would take the opposite stance.

It's nudity phobia.

Remember nipple gate?

PC and the moral police are all sourced from the same cultural infection.

darkpagandeath

zeffabelli wrote: »

It's nudity phobia.

Remember nipple gate?

PC and the moral police are all sourced from the same cultural infection.

Everyone knows Nipples are not suitable for children. :pac:

NachoBusiness

zeffabelli wrote: »

We expect more from public figures.

They get paid to sustain our ideals.

Change your username to Bird's Eye will ya, cause that's some waffle you're producing.

They get paid to do their job.

No one wants to see fat heroes or leaders.

Oh so, you've spoken to everyone in the free world have you. Pack it in.

Oryx

HairMare wrote: »

I think anyone who is hurting no one only themselves has that right to be whatever way they see fit. Obviously no one wants
To see anyone die from either extreme. But you only see people hating on us that are fat

The thing about only fat people getting body image hate is a lie and has already been discussed.

runawaybishop

HairMare wrote: »

I think anyone who is hurting no one only themselves has that right to be whatever way they see fit. Obviously no one wants
To see anyone die from either extreme. But you only see people hating on us that are fat

Ludicrous. Society should especially be looking out for vulnerable people that are harming themselves. Do you really believe we should ignore people that are self harming or attempt suicide also?

Anyway, they aren't hurting anyone but themselves. Aside from the massive cost to our health system that is oncoming it should be safe to assume that these people have friends, family and loved ones who will be hurt when they develop issues due to their weight, develop serious medical problems and die before their time.

darkpagandeath

runawaybishop wrote: »

Ludicrous. Society should especially be looking out for vulnerable people that are harming themselves. Do you really believe we should ignore people that are self harming or attempt suicide also?

Anyway, they aren't hurting anyone but themselves. Aside from the massive cost to our health system that is oncoming it should be safe to assume that these people have friends, family and loved ones who will be hurt when they develop issues due to their weight, develop serious medical problems and die before their time.

How can one say that the majority of obese people in society are vulnerable that's ridiculous. Obese people are becoming the majority in the 1st world.

runawaybishop

darkpagandeath wrote: »

How can one say that the majority of obese people in society are vulnerable that's ridiculous. Obese people are becoming the majority in the 1st world.

You think it's an indicator of a healthy mental state when someone is obese and thinks its healthy? If you are obese and think that it's a positive thing that should be celebrated you have mental issues.

strelok

just being a ****ing idiot isn't a mental health issue.