1985 and the Moving Statues Phenomena

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RomanKnows wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnao5SBunfI

I'm always in awe at the names in Chris Morris sketches.
Confiteor? Sublime.
Love the oirish version of Ted Maul.

Son Of A Vidic

the_monkey wrote: »

Yep can you imagine any British people watching that report on BBC - laughing their asses off at a bunch of inbred illiterate paddies gawking at a statue .

The same British people who bow down down to a family, falsely elevated to some superior status by a delusionary birthright. A birthright which claims they are superior in every way to the indigenous peasants. To make matters even worse, this family isn't even British. They're a bunch of clever Germans who changed their name from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, to the House of Windsor less than a 100 years ago. And they've been living off and making a bollocks off the British people ever since.

Fleawuss

The grip of nonsense like this on the country was astonishing to rational people then but back then the RCC ruled the roost. The further we get away from that rule the better but there's still a long way to go. And they haven't gone away you know.

Oops69

fryup wrote: »

1985 more like 1885

janey mac!! were really that backward??

we were the laughing stock of europe

n
We still are , play back Mattie mc grath or enda Kenny in the DAil and there's no difference from the councillor on the BBC tape 30 years ago

Red Kev

donegaLroad wrote: »

I remember it well. Apparently these statues did more than just move a few cm. I heard a garda seargent's eye wittness account of how a holographic like image of a systue of mary was floating around the place in front of a crowd pf people. I think there is a gerry ryan interview with that guy somewhere.

There was an extract of that interview on Johnathan Bowman's programme on Radio 1 this morning at 8.30. Worth a listen to.

Sam Kade

SpaceTime wrote: »

There was a bit of general media hysteria in the mid 80s about moving statues though.

Only Fools and Horses even did a whole show based around Del Boy and a leaky church roof causing the Weeping Virgin of Peckham ... Flood of international media, lots of £££ ....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracle_of_Peckham

Wasn't it an Irishman that wrote the only fools and horses series?

steddyeddy

omerin wrote: »

:rolleyes:

The organisation or the devotees? I can't remember many if any priests or nuns that said they saw the statue move.

No but they did still keep saying Jesus rose from the dead and turned water into wine.

Sam Kade

Fleawuss wrote: »

The grip of nonsense like this on the country was astonishing to rational people then but back then the RCC ruled the roost. The further we get away from that rule the better but there's still a long way to go. And they haven't gone away you know.

But the church had nothing to do or didn't want anything to do with moving statues

efb

https://youtu.be/Z0GxvfcWT00

The tree stump in Rathkeele

SpaceTime

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The same British people who bow down down to a family, falsely elevated to some superior status by a delusionary birthright. A birthright which claims they are superior in every way to the indigenous peasants. To make matters even worse, this family isn't even British. They're a bunch of clever Germans who changed their name from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, to the House of Windsor less than a 100 years ago. And they've been living off and making a bollocks off the British people ever since.

Two bunches of muppets don't make one clever country!

These islands have a history of not being able to stand up to the establishment : the aristocrats, the church etc...

Sam Kade

SpaceTime wrote: »

Two bunches of muppets don't make one clever country!

These islands have a history of not being able to stand up to the establishment : the aristocrats, the church etc...

I didn't see you causing uproar at any stage, let us know when you are ready to make your stand.

SpaceTime

Sam Kade wrote: »

I didn't see you causing uproar at any stage, let us know when you are ready to make your stand.

Mmmm O... K...

Sam Kade

efb wrote: »

https://youtu.be/Z0GxvfcWT00

The tree stump in Rathkeele

Did they have a boxing match after the cameras going?

Discodog

fullstop wrote: »

Weren't there ones crying blood in the 90s as well?!

A friend of mine is a film special effects guy. He wanted to make our local statue weep until he realised how seriously the locals would take it.

I remember being in Ballinspittle in 2003 & no one bothered even looking at the statue.

NachoBusiness

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I remember some chap seen our lady in a ditch on the back roads between Blanch and Mulhuddart one day and came off his motorbike as a result.

It was headlines of the Sunday World and for the next year or more, every Sunday, hundreds of people would queue up on that part of the road to meet the chap, give him a few quid if he would lay his hand's on them or their wheelchair bound family members.

Was sometime in the 90s.

Just been told that it was at Our Lady's Well in Mulhuddart. But sure why wouldn't he see Our Lady in the ditch so, if her fcuking statue was there. Our Lady's Well indeed, but yer man certainly wasn't. I wish I still had a copy of the Sunday World. Had a picture of the queues of people. Locals thought he was the messiah.

Those seventh sons of seventh sons are still doing good business in Ireland. Isn't there some fellow in Kells that still does it.

When I was 16 (1990) I was brought to see Finbar Nolan out in Seapoint by a family member who was convinced he would cure my ailments (leprosy) and I remember bricking it. It felt really eerie. We were waiting months for an appointment. How times have changed for him.

ThisRegard

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I remember some chap seen our lady in a ditch on the back roads between Blanch and Mulhuddart one day and came off his motorbike as a result.

There's a grotto there (at Ladyswell, hence the name), was that not what he saw?

NachoBusiness

ThisRegard wrote: »

There's a grotto there (at Ladyswell, hence the name), was that not what he saw?

Yeah, that was it, posted above since.

Was most likely his first time on the road and it scared the shite out of him.

Cold War Kid

SpaceTime wrote: »

Mmmm O... K...

Well their point is that it's not much use to be complaining about Irish people not standing up to authority, when also an Irish person not doing anything to stand up to authority.

I think this stuff about "us" not standing up to authority gets overstated. I don't think we're any worse than other countries - it's just a stock thing thrown out there in any of these discussions. And what else would we be with all the self flagellate?

ThisRegard

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Yeah, that was it, posted above since.

Was most likely his first time on the road and it scared the shite out of him.

Yeah, I posted before I got to your update. He probably did crap himself when he thought he saw someone just standing there at the side of the road.

7th son of a 7th son is still big in parts of rural Ireland, as well as claims that people can have the cure for all sorts of ailments.

South Tipperary Arts Centre

thats gas

Thankfully people never get caught up like flocks of sheep in delusions of wealth and capitalist success. Right?

Easy for us all to be smug about the past. How many people are into property porn (still) and how many got caught in the property bubble? The same fears and hopes are just directed elsewhere these days. No matter how sophisticated we'd like to think ourselves to be, every generation in every society is pretty much the same throughout history when it comes to fears and hopes. It's how they channel them is a matter of fashion.

Sam Kade

There was an oldish man in Ballinspittle in 85 that couldn't see the statue move and he was very worried that he was going to hell so he prayed for all he was worth to see if it would move for him

SpaceTime

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Well their point is that it's not much use to be complaining about Irish people not standing up to authority, when also an Irish person not doing anything to stand up to authority.

I think this stuff about "us" not standing up to authority gets overstated. I don't think we're any worse than other countries - it's just a stock thing thrown out there in any of these discussions. And what else would we be with all the self flagellate?

We actually allowed an extra judicial prison system "magdalene laundries" to operate here for decades and still haven't even really broached dealing with the issue properly

We abysmally failed to investigate conditions in various institutions largely because of fear of the church authorities.

There are tons of issues where Ireland has done EXTREMELY badly at standing up to de facto self-appointed establishment religious authorities.

We let them ban books, ban condoms, you name it!

*We* let this happen. It wasn't imposed on us in a way we couldn't have stopped. We just let the church & cronies bully us into submission.

So, I think we actually deserve rather a lot of self-flagellation on the issue. We've been absolutely weak as water when it comes to exerting any notion that the state should be a proper republic rather than a theocracy.

Sam Kade

Deleted User wrote: »

Thankfully people never get caught up like flocks of sheep in delusions of wealth and capitalist success. Right?

Easy for us all to be smug about the past. How many people are into property porn (still) and how many got caught in the property bubble? The same fears and hopes are just directed elsewhere these days. No matter how sophisticated we'd like to think ourselves to be, every generation in every society is pretty much the same throughout history when it comes to fears and hopes. It's how they channel them is a matter of fashion.

That's very true only a few years back during the celtic tiger people went mad shopping before Christmas a lot of them did it because it was the in thing at the time.

ThisRegard

Shopping before Christmas? Whatever next, buying chocolate eggs coming up to Easter?

Sam Kade

ThisRegard wrote: »

Shopping before Christmas? Whatever next, buying chocolate eggs coming up to Easter?

What a short memory you have, maybe I should have said crazy shopping :rolleyes: Shopping for a month before it's only one day FFS.

Aidric

SpaceTime wrote: »

"magdalene laundries"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yzjRJ4R-tQ

Cold War Kid

SpaceTime those things crept in insidiously. You don't see the same level of criticism towards the numerous other countries where similar took place.
It's just self loathing - and makes sense "we" we're allegedly so cowed if that's how we view ourselves.

SpaceTime

Cold War Kid wrote: »

SpaceTime those things crept in insidiously. You don't see the same level of criticism towards the numerous other countries where similar took place.
It's just self loathing - and makes sense "we" we're allegedly so cowed if that's how we view ourselves.

They didn't creep in insidiously. they were state policy in most of those areas!

The official school rules for national school still mention laundry as an optional subject for girls in 2015!

The government who we elected imposed bans on contraception, made divorce illegal, created various committees to decide which books to ban and so on.

Ireland in the very recent past was a weird place that operated on some kind of religious corporatism where the democratic government basically shared power with the church to run the country, rather than actually being a democracy.

To abdicate all public responsibly for the horrific mess that *we* as a nation allowed to develop is absolutely revisionist nonsense.

Aidric

Mint Aero wrote: »

What year was fluoride introduced to our water?

More like LSD I reckon.

ThisRegard

Sam Kade wrote: »

What a short memory you have, maybe I should have said crazy shopping :rolleyes: Shopping for a month before it's only one day FFS.

No maybe about it if it was going to be the cornerstone of your point.

branie2

I was in Lourdes that year. The statue of Mary there didn't move.

blade1

At the time they were building a new Grotto in Dungarvan but the statue hadn't been placed in it yet.
Some wise guy put a sign on it " gone to lunch, back in 5 minutes."

arse..biscuits

I was there in 1985, 5 years old and I saw it move. I'm an atheist by the way but I still always swore I saw it move. Anyway, I was visiting Kinsale last summer and the lady who ran the B&B was giving me directions when she mentioned Ballinspittle, I said "that rings a bell, is that where the moving statue was?". "Still is", she said. No way, popped up with my wife and kids and we all saw it move. The show only starts after dark though.
My daughter started doing impressions of Mary after that, she stands with her hands in a praying position and just wiggles a tiny bit.

Banjoxed

ThisRegard wrote: »

Yeah, I posted before I got to your update. He probably did crap himself when he thought he saw someone just standing there at the side of the road.

7th son of a 7th son is still big in parts of rural Ireland, as well as claims that people can have the cure for all sorts of ailments.

All of that is an excuse to frighten the shyte out of the uneducated to control them. Our Lady was warning us over contraception or some such. The folk Catholicism of the elderly generation was full of demented stuff about God looking to smite the Irish with fire and brimstone if we went along with the Godless English and Americans. All bollocks.

Sam Kade

ThisRegard wrote: »

No maybe about it if it was going to be the cornerstone of your point.

Have you trouble distinguishing between mad and crazy :rolleyes:

darkpagandeath

Only miracles I saw was people believing this nonsense then. It's like something directly out of Farther Ted.

Sam Kade

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Only miracles I saw was people believing this nonsense then. It's like something directly out of Farther Ted.

It was only the ones praying believed it the ones coming and going were only there out of curiosity It hilarious how people now believe that everyone in Ireland believed in it back then :rolleyes:

Kiwi in IE

Hahaha! Someone has mentioned that this happened during a very wet summer. Good mushroom growing weather? Did someone put magic ones in the communion wafers around the country?

Sam Kade

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Hahaha! Someone has mentioned that this happened during a very wet summer. Good mushroom growing weather? Did someone put magic ones in the communion wafers around the country?

Here we go again :rolleyes: NOT EVERYONE BELIEVED IT BACK THEN

Kiwi in IE

Sam Kade wrote: »

Here we go again :rolleyes: NOT EVERYONE BELIEVED IT BACK THEN

If I thought that everyone in this country believed that, trust me I would not be living here.

fryup

and as for Knock

there's a rational explanation for that too, it was a magic lantern

Miss Demeanour

I remember my mother packing a picnic of ham sandwiches, cheese and onion tayto and bottles of tanora for the event and about 9 of us piling into the car to head off to see it.

The only miracle I witnessed that day was us all getting there and back in one piece......

Sam Kade

Miss Demeanour wrote: »

I remember my mother packing a picnic of ham sandwiches, cheese and onion tayto and bottles of tanora for the event and about 9 of us piling into the car to head off to see it.

The only miracle I witnessed that day was us all getting there and back in one piece......

That reminds me back in 85 nine of us came home in an opel Kadet 7 adults 2 children 2 adults in the boot, similar to this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/milkfloat/kadett1.jpg

Sam Kade

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

If I thought that everyone in this country believed that, trust me I would not be living here.

Thanks, the ones praying were the mad ones.

Fleawuss

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Only miracles I saw was people believing this nonsense then. It's like something directly out of Farther Ted.

FaRther Ted actually hits the weird religious world nail on the head!

_Whimsical_

You may think we've come along way but there something in Knock in 2009 where a Dublin man claimed to be getting messages from our lady and was predicting the sun spinning in the sky. Thousands of people went to see it, some people are still suffering the eye damage from staring at the sun according to a nurse on the news recently.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/thousands-wait-for-knock-apparition-1.755275

That two big "celestial" events both peculiarly timed at the some point as our biggest financial crises. Hard times do funny things to the Irish psyche.

endacl

30 years ago.

In the rest of the world: Live Aid
In Ireland: Some auld biddies imagined they saw supernatural sculpture salsa.

conorh91

Ah lads lets not ruin a perfectly funny thread with these bitter swipes at Irish people in the 80s and the Church

Yeah Magdalene Laundries, yeah child abuse, De Valera and McQuaid and nuns with sharp sticks, it was all miserable.

They have nothing to do with this. It's just a funny story about a real-life Fr Ted episode. No need to get so worked up!

My Gran is the most religious woman Ive ever met. She's hardcore, but even she didn't believe in this joke. People of that generation are made of sterner stuff than most of our generation, they didn't come down in the last shower. I don't believe they were as servile as often made out.

As far as i can see balinspittle was a circus that had more to do with public boredom than religion, I think it's hilarious.

NIMAN

endacl wrote: »

30 years ago.

In the rest of the world: Live Aid
In Ireland: Some auld biddies imagined they saw supernatural sculpture salsa.

Neither event changed much.

Still starving people all over the world. Always will be.
And still mad religious people in Ireland. Always will be.

Edit: well it did make one of the organisers worth about £50 million, who still complains about people having no food.