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When will the Lunar landings be accepted?
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ShowMeTheCash wrote: »Before you go off on your next rant about technology answer me this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16
What is this?
"Less than an hour after landing, at 06:03 UT, an automatic drill penetrated the lunar surface to collect a soil sample. After drilling for 7 minutes, the drill reached a stop at 35 centimeters depth and then withdrew its sample and lifted it in an arc to the top of the spacecraft, depositing the lunar material in a small spherical capsule mounted on the main spacecraft bus. The column of regolith in the drill tube was then transferred to the soil sample container.
Finally, after 26 hours and 25 minutes on the lunar surface at 07:43 UT on 21 September, the spacecraft's upper stage lifted off from the Moon. The lower stage of Luna 16 remained on the lunar surface and continued transmission of lunar temperature and radiation data. Three days later on 24 September, after a direct ascent traverse with no mid-course corrections, the capsule, with its 101 grams of lunar soil, reentered Earth's atmosphere at a velocity of 11 kilometers per second. The capsule parachuted down 80 kilometers "
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"Less than an hour after landing, at 06:03 UT, an automatic drill penetrated the lunar surface to collect a soil sample. After drilling for 7 minutes, the drill reached a stop at 35 centimeters depth and then withdrew its sample and lifted it in an arc to the top of the spacecraft, depositing the lunar material in a small spherical capsule mounted on the main spacecraft bus. The column of regolith in the drill tube was then transferred to the soil sample container.
Finally, after 26 hours and 25 minutes on the lunar surface at 07:43 UT on 21 September, the spacecraft's upper stage lifted off from the Moon. The lower stage of Luna 16 remained on the lunar surface and continued transmission of lunar temperature and radiation data. Three days later on 24 September, after a direct ascent traverse with no mid-course corrections, the capsule, with its 101 grams of lunar soil, reentered Earth's atmosphere at a velocity of 11 kilometers per second. The capsule parachuted down 80 kilometers "
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That you can't answer I assume?Good questions!
So the possibilities are either
A) we went to the moon
or
Nasa somehow developed a probe more advanced and capable than any probe we have today, did so and launched a series of them to the Moon totally in secret, then never once used that technology ever again... because we couldn't go to the moon for... some reason.
These possibilities are not equally likely.0 -
I would suggest that the first should be rewritten:That you can't answer I assume?
So the possibilities are either
A) we went to the moon
or Nasa somehow developed a probe more advanced and capable than any probe we have today, did so and launched a series of them to the Moon totally in secret, then never once used that technology ever again... because we couldn't go to the moon for... some reason.
These possibilities are not equally likely.
The Americans went to the moon about five or six times then gave it up as a bad job and never went back and the technology to get to the moon was never used again; but they did bring a cine camera and an American flag.0 -
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Major congressional legislation just passed, which will give the green light to commercial space exploration and exploitation - ie. resource mining. Planetary Resources, Incorporated, is in the game now. If you were wondering how hard it is to get a space rock
http://www.planetaryresources.com/0 -
Major congressional legislation just passed, which will give the green light to commercial space exploration and exploitation - ie. resource mining. Planetary Resources, Incorporated, is in the game now. If you were wondering how hard it is to get a space rock
http://www.planetaryresources.com/
Would be nice following the next flight to the moon live .....0 -
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This is when things get interesting.Major congressional legislation just passed, which will give the green light to commercial space exploration and exploitation - ie. resource mining. Planetary Resources, Incorporated, is in the game now. If you were wondering how hard it is to get a space rock
http://www.planetaryresources.com/
I just don't see how we can go from economy of rarity on earth, to an economy of abundance in space. There's the potential that there's more gold floating around the asteroid belt than there is easily accessible on earth's surface. The problem is the minute they start mining it and sending it back to earth the value goes down. Mining these resources could devalue them to the point they're not worth mining in the first place.
The fact mining something could devalue it means it's pointless even fighting over the resources. It makes more economic sense to scrape every last resource off the planet and charge well for it, than go to space and have loads of something that's not worth much.
There is a hump there, it's a large financial and ideological hump that we need to get over. I guess there's the essentials like metals and other elements we're running low on, but the people that control economies have no reason to promote space mining.0 -
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Your position sounds reasonable until you actually think on the implications.EternalHope wrote: »I do not believe in moon hoax but the reflectors on the moon prove nothing either way as they could have been put there by an unmanned craft. It shows there is man made material on the moon but not how it got there. It does not prove man was on the moon as they video claims
If you are holding that it's possible for the retro reflectors to be placed there by unmanned craft, you have to assume that it's possible they had a secret program to develop and launch such craft.
This would require thousands of people to be in on the plot. Not to mention the thousands of people after who worked on projects like the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
So it's disingenuous to present it simply as either a manned mission put it there or they just had an unmanned mission.
It's more like:
A) a manned mission put it there.
Or. a super secret research and development program made and launched a robotic lander, put it on the moon and deployed the reflectors, then somehow managed to keep it all quiet from the Russians and the press, then also somehow managed to bribe/control all lunar exploration from every country for the next 40 years.
And all that was just so they could put a retro-reflector there... for some reason?0 -
weren't there unmanned missions to collect samples? Anyway all i said was the reflectors in and of themselves prove nothing and should nbot be used as a proof. I do believe they went to the moonYour position sounds reasonable until you actually think on the implications.
If you are holding that it's possible for the retro reflectors to be placed there by unmanned craft, you have to assume that it's possible they had a secret program to develop and launch such craft.
This would require thousands of people to be in on the plot. Not to mention the thousands of people after who worked on projects like the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
So it's disingenuous to present it simply as either a manned mission put it there or they just had an unmanned mission.
It's more like:
A) a manned mission put it there.
Or. a super secret research and development program made and launched a robotic lander, put it on the moon and deployed the reflectors, then somehow managed to keep it all quiet from the Russians and the press, then also somehow managed to bribe/control all lunar exploration from every country for the next 40 years.
And all that was just so they could put a retro-reflector there... for some reason?0 -
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Was following the annual twitter lunar landings are fake tweets to Prof Brian Cox and Al Murray the comedian, such is the eclectic nature of my twitter account.
To be honest I had thought that this CT had been firmly debunked, but no; some people for (to me) unbelievable reasons still claim that the landings never happened. From the radiation would have killed them once they ventured beyond a certain point, to incorrect shadows been cast, to no stars in the pictures and my favorite how Stanley Kubrick's widow admitted that he had confessed on his death bed to been involved in the filming of the fake landing TV feed.
Brian Cox and Buzz Aldrin sum it up nicely in this tweet
So considering it's been over two years since it was discussed here, do any CT regulars think they all were faked, some were faked or they didn't happen as we are been led to believe.
The same feeds claiming they are fake seem to be young earth creationists because to accept that we can travel to other worlds might involve us finding non terrestrial life particularly on Mars which would mean no more earth created in six days. Hence the Mars landings are also faked.
Coming in late on this one.
From what I have heard over the years. They certainly did land on the moon, "But" Some of the footage was shot in the USA desert somewhere. No idea why, but that's where a lot of confusion came in originally.
I'm sure other peeps have said this, didn't read the whole thread.0 -
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