is Aldo trying to get himself fired?

froog

certainly seems like it. first there's the dodgy testing episodes, then dissing the reebok deal, then he comes out and basically says feck the ufc ban i'm gonna IV rehydrate in the next fight. and now there's a rumour he's looking to sue UFC for defamation about all the injury stuff.

bizarre carry on. does he not want to put manners on conor and pick up 5 or so mill on the way??

Arrow in the Knee

froog wrote: »

certainly seems like it. first there's the dodgy testing episodes, then dissing the reebok deal, then he comes out and basically says feck the ufc ban i'm gonna IV rehydrate in the next fight. and now there's a rumour he's looking to sue UFC for defamation about all the injury stuff.

bizarre carry on. does he not want to put manners on conor and pick up 5 or so mill on the way??

He wants to join Bellator :rolleyes:

dancingchicken

Aldo seems to care more about MMA than he does about UFC

dulux99

In fairness, the UFC have massively thrown him under the bus with this rib injury. He was clearly injured. It was massively unfortunate, don't get me wrong. I went to ufc 189 and nobody was more gutted than me, but if he has a broken rib then he has a broken rib.

dave1982

I can't see him coming back, anyone that stands up to ufc policies it suicide, think if he had learned English he would have done better fan wise.

UFC really ****ed him over on rib injury and no I don't think he's afraid of conor. Don't think anyone is anyone who kos Conor is huge scalp

Davei141

Can you blame him for having a go at them? That Aldo fight makes everybody millions of dollars there is no way in hell they sack him for "speaking out" and he knows it. They threw him under the bus so now hes gone rogue, and it is pretty funny! The IV thing just strikes me as him saying pretty colourfully that it is a pile of rubbish and dangerous. Does anyone actually disagree with anything he says? That press conference was really good and he spoke a lot of sense.

creeper1

Does the ufc have any credible rival?

I know approximately 10 years ago pride was a well respected organisation with a big following (mainly Japanese)

mkdon

Aldo mcgreggor will happen mark my words

This changes nothing

Hazys

I don't know why so many people are giving such benefit of doubt to Aldo, he's had a lot of sketchy behavior lately and its all too much smoke for one person.

• Pulling out of UFC 189
• Sending out X-Rays of an old injury
• Dropping out of 4 previous title fights
• The drug testing fiasco
• Openly taunting the UFC and USADA by saying he will purposely ignore the new drug testing laws and use IVs anyway
• Calling Irish people drunks
• Insulting the Reebok deal

If Aldo had his way, he'd be doing a Mayweather, picking and choosing who he gets to fight, picking the rules he wants to obey and ignore. As much faults as the UFC has, its 100x better than how boxing is run. Boxing is on a downward spiral because of this while MMA is on the way up because of the UFC. UFC is a necessary evil for MMA.

Aldo constantly tries to undermine the UFC. If Aldo was anybody else, he'd be told to kick rocks by now. Him saying he's going to use IVs no matter what is the height of obnoxiousness. I agree the rule is silly as fighters should be allowed to re-hydrate as safely as possible but he's basically saying he's going to cheat and gain an unfair advantage over the opponents who are following the rules as he knows the UFC are not going to cancel the fight as there is too much money riding on it.

Could you imagine Lionel Messi saying he's going to ignore FIFA's drug policy because what are they going to do stop him from playing as he makes too much money for FIFA?

RGDATA!

Hazys wrote: »

I don't know why so many people are giving such benefit of doubt to Aldo, he's had a lot of sketchy behavior lately and its all too much smoke for one person.
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• Calling Irish people drunks

Don't disagree with most of your post but I wasn't bothered by the "drunks" stuff. It was less broadly insulting, in my opinion, than McGregor's jibes about favelas and what not. (I enjoy McGregor's banter mostly, that's about the only time I've really cringed for him.)

Hazys

RGDATA! wrote: »

Don't disagree with most of your post but I wasn't bothered by the "drunks" stuff. It was less broadly insulting, in my opinion, than McGregor's jibes about favelas and what not. (I enjoy McGregor's banter mostly, that's about the only time I've really cringed for him.)

I wasn't bothered by it either and i presume most Irish people were not as 1. Irish people don't get offended that easily 2. we know its true lol

But it was pretty racist and totally uncalled for. There was no need for him to have that in his statement. We all have things we want to say but we bite our tongue because we are better than that. It was a classless thing to say and he went down in my book for saying it.

TBF Conor never mocked or insulted Brazilians, he was pretty complementary of them. I don't recall him every insulting favelas either. Conor did call Siver a Nazi but deleted the tweet and apologized straight after.

nc19

dulux99 wrote:

In fairness, the UFC have massively thrown him under the bus with this rib injury. He was clearly injured. It was massively unfortunate, don't get me wrong. I went to ufc 189 and nobody was more gutted than me, but if he has a broken rib then he has a broken rib.

IF!

I'm sure Dana knows more than you and I doubt he'd be so open knocking aldo of there wasn't something to it.....

selous

Aldos statement.

If he beats Chad Mendes,
the only thing he will have is a toy belt to show his drunk friends in his country’s bars,
because that’s what an interim belt represents to me: a toy.
I am the champion.

Did he call all Irish drunks or just McGregors friends?

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Hazys

selous wrote: »

Aldos statement.

If he beats Chad Mendes,
the only thing he will have is a toy belt to show his drunk friends in his country’s bars,
because that’s what an interim belt represents to me: a toy.
I am the champion.

Did he call all Irish drunks or just McGregors friends?

I doubt he knows who McGregor's friends are and what their drinking habits are so if he is talking about McGregor's friends he's insinuating they are drunks based on their nationality anyway.

Anyway, its was a minor point I was making, no need for the whole thread to get derailed because of it.

Hazys

darced wrote: »

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But what is Aldo doing for the good of the fighters? All I see is Aldo doing what is good for Aldo.

How is Aldo ignoring the USADA's ban on IV doing good for other fighters? If anything it sets a horrible example for other fighters. The USADA brought in the rule to try and prevent fighters from making ridiculous weight cuts, a valiant effort but as long a fighter can make weight, they will take the chance that the will re-hydrate properly after so if anything its a dangerous rule, but it is still a rule that you have to follow for a level playing field.

Aldo said he's going to use IVs because he wants to and they can't catch him and if they do, what are they going to do? Stop him from fighting? He's not making that statement for anybody but himself. Any lesser fighter who tries this will be kicked off the roster, how is this helping other fighters?

A bigger problem is Aldo's influence. If fighters are going to believe that Aldo is going to break the rules, then they think they have too as they have no idea now whether their opponent is going to or not. So they are stuck between a rock and a hard place; follow the rules and hope you opponent does too? If Aldo is not taking the USADA seriously, why should other fighters?

If Aldo is willing to defy the USADA's IV ban, then what other USADA rules is he willing to defy?

Aldo's comments are a huge knock on keeping the sport clean.

ted1

dulux99 wrote: »

In fairness, the UFC have massively thrown him under the bus with this rib injury. He was clearly injured. It was massively unfortunate, don't get me wrong. I went to ufc 189 and nobody was more gutted than me, but if he has a broken rib then he has a broken rib.

Still convinced it was a cover for failing the drugs test and he was fighting Mendes all this time , they figured that they would sell 2 fights if the Aldo one was hyped and then
Switched

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Foxtrol

Aldo’s comments about IVs do nothing to discourage the shady rumours about him, PEDs, and test dodging in the past. He’s barking up the wrong tree with USADA, if he follows through with his big talk then it’ll be great when he’s caught and his big payday is withheld. He’s signing up to fight under agreed rules, if he doesn’t like it then he can stay back in Brazil.

The one thing that highlights the type of person Aldo is is how often he’s brought up how much he lost by not making 189 compared to mentioning letting his fans down who’d paid to travel to Vegas (one of which was sitting beside me there). Everything is always someone else’s fault and he cares only about himself.

Foxtrol

darced wrote: »

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We won’t know given how his team did all they could to delay a drug test for over two days

darced

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Davei141

nc19 wrote: »

IF!

I'm sure Dana knows more than you and I doubt he'd be so open knocking aldo of there wasn't something to it.....

Naive post of the year award goes to...:pac:

His IV comments are just what most fighters are thinking, they're just too scared of the UFC to say it publicly. There is a reason why they post-poned the IV ban. Conor probably has the same opinion on the ban but hes the good company man at the moment.

The drunk friends comment is funny because it is true. We pride ourselves on being these great loud singing fans...we are great loud singing fans because we are drunk as hell during weigh ins/Q&A's and events. Can't get bent out of shape over it. Especially as a Conor fan it makes you a serious hypocrite considering the stuff he says.

JustTheOne

I thought all that stuff about drunk Irish was a hoax interview?

JustTheOne

I thought all that stuff about drunk Irish was a hoax interview?

Davei141

No he gave a press release mentioning that. The Hoax had difference Irish stuff.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Jose-Aldo-Lashes-Out-at-UFC-Conor-McGregor-Following-Injury-Confirmation-Title-Creation-88545

Foxtrol

darced wrote: »

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Rumours that he’s dodged drug tests through some of the 5 ‘injuries’ in 8 fights in his UFC tenure.

Difference between stating your opinion that you disagree with the rules and coming out and saying that you don’t care about them, you will break them and there’s nothing they can do about it.

Unfortunately for him there’s a lot they can do about it.

raze_them_all_

Foxtrol wrote: »

Aldo’s comments about IVs do nothing to discourage the shady rumours about him, PEDs, and test dodging in the past. He’s barking up the wrong tree with USADA, if he follows through with his big talk then it’ll be great when he’s caught and his big payday is withheld. He’s signing up to fight under agreed rules, if he doesn’t like it then he can stay back in Brazil.

The one thing that highlights the type of person Aldo is is how often he’s brought up how much he lost by not making 189 compared to mentioning letting his fans down who’d paid to travel to Vegas (one of which was sitting beside me there). Everything is always someone else’s fault and he cares only about himself.

He didn't sign up to a iv ban, and he has stayed in brasil since they madde it a rule....

nc19

Davei141 wrote:

Naive post of the year award goes to...

Misunderstood post of the year goes to....

My post was in reference to his 'injury' not the IV issue

Thanks for your input though

Old Perry

https://mobile.twitter.com/StitchDuran/status/623636360746827776

this posted on twitter a while ago. stitch duran ufcs redident cutman, fired for speaking out about reebok deal. surely this means aldo will be placed in the same boat? although im not sure what exactly duran has said.

scudzilla

Old Perry wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/StitchDuran/status/623636360746827776

this posted on twitter a while ago. stitch duran ufcs redident cutman, fired for speaking out about reebok deal. surely this means aldo will be placed in the same boat? although im not sure what exactly duran has said.

Doubtful the UFC will put a cutman and their FW Champ in the same boat

raze_them_all_

Old Perry wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/StitchDuran/status/623636360746827776

this posted on twitter a while ago. stitch duran ufcs redident cutman, fired for speaking out about reebok deal. surely this means aldo will be placed in the same boat? although im not sure what exactly duran has said.

he spoke out about how much money he lost in the rebok deal as rebok aint sponsoring him, his jacket used to be covered in sponsers logos.


And no aldo is definitely not in the same boat ffs. One is the undefeated champ and the other is a cutman ffs

Old Perry

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

he spoke out about how much money he lost in the rebok deal as rebok aint sponsoring him, his jacket used to be covered in sponsers logos.


And no aldo is definitely not in the same boat ffs. One is the undefeated champ and the other is a cutman ffs

alright calm yourself, i was only suggesting that duran is one of the more recognisable faces in ufc with im sure a fair bit of support behind him. the principles behind the decision may still be the same.

Davei141

nc19 wrote: »

Misunderstood post of the year goes to....

My post was in reference to his 'injury' not the IV issue

Thanks for your input though

Of course i know you were referencing his injury. It is just ridiculous to say Dana White wouldn't lie.

Old Perry wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/StitchDuran/status/623636360746827776

this posted on twitter a while ago. stitch duran ufcs redident cutman, fired for speaking out about reebok deal. surely this means aldo will be placed in the same boat? although im not sure what exactly duran has said.

Come on cutman vs their current number 1 p4p champ. Just another scumbag move from the UFC, people have some neck to criticise somebody standing up to them.

Old Perry

Davei141 wrote: »

Of course i know you were referencing his injury. It is just ridiculous to say Dana White wouldn't lie.



Come on cutman vs their current number 1 p4p champ. Just another scumbag move from the UFC, people have some neck to criticise somebody standing up to them.

ah yeah i understand the difference between aldo and duran. Thats clear to al. it was a question more than a statement.

it would seem though that they couldve showed leniancy given hes not the only one makin himself heard (i still havin got a chance to see what he actually said though). a bit a scumbag move alright, ufc trying to make an example and get all there pawns back in line.

Davei141

Old Perry wrote: »

ah yeah i understand the difference between aldo and duran. Thats clear to al. it was a question more than a statement.

it would seem though that they couldve showed leniancy given hes not the only one makin himself heard (i still havin got a chance to see what he actually said though). a bit a scumbag move alright, ufc trying to make an example and get all there pawns back in line.

I'd say it was the fact a cutman is easily expendable and he was an easy target to send a message. Not going to lose any money cutting him, just bad PR.

slicus ricus

Davei141 wrote: »

His IV comments are just what most fighters are thinking, they're just too scared of the UFC to say it publicly.

It's USADA who are imposing the IV ban, not UFC. Granted UFC have upped their game recently in being fully compliant with USADA rules but surely that's a good thing for the sport. Effectively it is USADA that Aldo is speaking out against, he dared the USADA ninjas to come and catch him. They are really not the people to be p*ssing off, refer to their case against Lance Armstrong for evidence of that. I hope for Aldo's sake that the rumours of dodging test, etc are not true because he is treading dangerous waters by coming out with this stuff.

Davei141 wrote: »

Conor probably has the same opinion on the ban but hes the good company man at the moment.

A lot of fighters have said that the ban is stupid and dangerous. As far as I am aware, Aldo is the first to come out and say that he will defy the ban and use IVs anyway.

The key point here is that if Aldo fights Conor in Dec/Jan and Conor re-hydrates in line with the rules (no IVs) and Aldo follows through with what he is saying and defies the rules, that gives Aldo an unfair advantage.

.ak

What's the potential ramifications for Aldo breaking the ban?

cowzerp

You've just regurgitated the UFC version of events, Bruised or broken ribs makes no difference, I have had both and the bruised ribs were the same pain and lasted longer than the fractured rib, Aldo was screwed over and it is bull****

He is the most dominant champion in the UFC and he is right about the IV and the Reebok deal which is a slap in the face to any fighters who had decent sponsorship deals off anyone else

The Aldo v Conor fight will happen and probably a rematch too, stop buying the propaganda sales pitch bull, If aldo was more ppv popular Dana wouldn't say boo, he doesn't want a champ who doesn't bring in the big PPV numbers and that explains everything

Hazys wrote: »

I don't know why so many people are giving such benefit of doubt to Aldo, he's had a lot of sketchy behavior lately and its all too much smoke for one person.

• Pulling out of UFC 189
• Sending out X-Rays of an old injury
• Dropping out of 4 previous title fights
• The drug testing fiasco
• Openly taunting the UFC and USADA by saying he will purposely ignore the new drug testing laws and use IVs anyway
• Calling Irish people drunks
• Insulting the Reebok deal

If Aldo had his way, he'd be doing a Mayweather, picking and choosing who he gets to fight, picking the rules he wants to obey and ignore. As much faults as the UFC has, its 100x better than how boxing is run. Boxing is on a downward spiral because of this while MMA is on the way up because of the UFC. UFC is a necessary evil for MMA.

Aldo constantly tries to undermine the UFC. If Aldo was anybody else, he'd be told to kick rocks by now. Him saying he's going to use IVs no matter what is the height of obnoxiousness. I agree the rule is silly as fighters should be allowed to re-hydrate as safely as possible but he's basically saying he's going to cheat and gain an unfair advantage over the opponents who are following the rules as he knows the UFC are not going to cancel the fight as there is too much money riding on it.

Could you imagine Lionel Messi saying he's going to ignore FIFA's drug policy because what are they going to do stop him from playing as he makes too much money for FIFA?

darced

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slicus ricus

darced wrote: »

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We don't but you can't just assume they will.

Aldo has come out and said he won't be playing by the rules on this one, which I think is a stupid thing to say on so many levels.

Doug Cartel

darced wrote: »

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They can test their blood for phthlate plasticizers. This test is actually used to detect some forms of doping, and I think one of the reasons they want to remove IV rehydration is that it cuts out one more excuse someone can have for having phthlate plasticizers in their system.

nc19

Davei141 wrote:

Of course i know you were referencing his injury. It is just ridiculous to say Dana White wouldn't lie.

Really? Because you made no reference to the injury when responding to my post you only referenced the IV issue.


Anyway..........

Davei141

nc19 wrote: »

Really? Because you made no reference to the injury when responding to my post you only referenced the IV issue.


Anyway..........

It was a separate general point hence the different paragraph, hardly rocket science!

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Doug Cartel

darced wrote: »

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50ml of fluid is a pretty small amount. It's about a fifth of a cup. It's unlikely that taking 50ml will increase the amount of plasticisers in your blood much more than the amount you would have from the environment anyway. They are looking for a big spike in the plasticiser levels.

As for a glass bottle, it still has to go through a plastic line before going into the vein.

The main issue I would have is that it is mainly a test for blood doping, which I don't think is a big thing in MMA. (Though that is just a hunch.) I suppose it's because they want to have uniform testing across all sports.

Davei141

slicus ricus wrote: »

It's USADA who are imposing the IV ban, not UFC. Granted UFC have upped their game recently in being fully compliant with USADA rules but surely that's a good thing for the sport. Effectively it is USADA that Aldo is speaking out against, he dared the USADA ninjas to come and catch him. They are really not the people to be p*ssing off, refer to their case against Lance Armstrong for evidence of that. I hope for Aldo's sake that the rumours of dodging test, etc are not true because he is treading dangerous waters by coming out with this stuff.

UFC brought in USADA so criticising them is criticising the UFC. That's like saying giving out about the Reebok deal and is only giving out about Reebok and not the UFC.

A lot of fighters have said that the ban is stupid and dangerous. As far as I am aware, Aldo is the first to come out and say that he will defy the ban and use IVs anyway.

The key point here is that if Aldo fights Conor in Dec/Jan and Conor re-hydrates in line with the rules (no IVs) and Aldo follows through with what he is saying and defies the rules, that gives Aldo an unfair advantage.

He is making a pretty forceful point. But i am sure most people know this and are intentionally ignoring it.

Foxtrol

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

He didn't sign up to a iv ban, and he has stayed in brasil since they madde it a rule....

Are you trying to say that your employer couldn’t bring in a new rule for the office unless you agree to it?

By having a contract with the UFC he’s signed up to the IV ban (I’m sure the contract includes that they can increase/change testing on their fighters) and definitely by accepting his next fight he’ll be signing up to it.

Foxtrol

.ak wrote: »

What's the potential ramifications for Aldo breaking the ban?

Presume it'll be treated the same way as PEDs which results in a 2 year ban, disqualification the result of the bout, and forfeiture of title, ranking, and purse or other compensation.

USADA have this ban for other sports so it’s stupid to think that they don’t have a way to test for it. If Aldo is stupid enough to try to ignore the new rules he deserves what he gets. From what I’ve seen from him he’s all talk though.

raze_them_all_

Foxtrol wrote: »

Are you trying to say that your employer couldn’t bring in a new rule for the office unless you agree to it?

By having a contract with the UFC he’s signed up to the IV ban (I’m sure the contract includes that they can increase/change testing on their fighters) and definitely by accepting his next fight he’ll be signing up to it.

he's the champion so the ufc add 1 fight to his contract every time he wins and remains champion, are you saying that he signed up to a rolling contract when he first signed up? I'm saying the fighters are independent contractors ie they are their own employers. The ufc can't have it both ways, they are independent when it suits us but our fighters when it also suits us

Hazys

I don't get where Aldo acting as a spoiled brat is seen as some as him acting as a champion for fighter's rights.

Hazys

cowzerp wrote: »

You've just regurgitated the UFC version of events, Bruised or broken ribs makes no difference, I have had both and the bruised ribs were the same pain and lasted longer than the fractured rib, Aldo was screwed over and it is bull****

He is the most dominant champion in the UFC and he is right about the IV and the Reebok deal which is a slap in the face to any fighters who had decent sponsorship deals off anyone else

The Aldo v Conor fight will happen and probably a rematch too, stop buying the propaganda sales pitch bull, If aldo was more ppv popular Dana wouldn't say boo, he doesn't want a champ who doesn't bring in the big PPV numbers and that explains everything

Like is said its a lot of smoke for one person. All of its probably not true but some of it probably is.

His comments on IV use is bullsh1t. You follow the rules no matter whether you agree with them or not, you don't cheat.

Like I said earlier too, the UFC is a necessary evil for MMA, otherwise MMA would go the way of boxing where the Champions would make the rules and fights that suits them...Aldo would certainly prefer that.