TV3 HD Testing

Kalyke

Just got this from TV3

Good morning XXXXXXX,

HD will not be available on Saorview.

If you have SKY you will need a subscription through SKY.

If you have UPC you will need to sign up for the HD package on UPC.

Kind regards,
TV3

irishfeen

Kalyke wrote: »

Just got this from TV3

Good morning XXXXXXX,

HD will not be available on Saorview.

If you have SKY you will need a subscription through SKY.

If you have UPC you will need to sign up for the HD package on UPC.

Kind regards,
TV3

"A subscription through SKY"... Is that HD or any subscription I wonder?

ftakeith

irishfeen wrote: »

"A subscription through SKY"... Is that HD or any subscription I wonder?

Apart from some live sport

TV3 hd means nothing to me

irishfeen

ftakeith wrote: »

Apart from some live sport

TV3 hd means nothing to me

Rugby World Cup would be where I'm wanting it for..

irishfeen

"Hi .....

Unfortunately you will not access to HD on SKY without subscribing to their HD subscription.

Regards,
TV3"

... ITV it is then.

StreetLight

Kalyke wrote: »

HD will not be available on Saorview.

This country is going backwards.

ftakeith

StreetLight wrote: »

This country is going backwards.

If loads of people complain to the BAI about why a public service Irish HD
channel needs a sky HD subscription that does get TV licence fee money to make Irish made programmes from funding by the BAI

It could change its process like RTE2hd

irishfeen

ftakeith wrote: »

If loads of people complain to the BAI about why a public service Irish HD
channel needs a sky HD subscription that does get TV licence fee money to make Irish made programmes from funding by the BAI

It could change its process like RTE2hd

Yes I think it's time for people to start complaining - to have PSB's HD variation behind the paywall when people are paying the licence fee is disgraceful.

corm500

This is the reply I got

Hi xxxx,

TV3 HD will not be available on Saorview.

You will have access to TV3HD if you have a subscription through SKY or UPC.

Regards,
TV3

Farewell TV3 hello ITV

irishfeen

I have asked the BAI for clarification on BAI Sound and Vision programming behind the paywall ... They said they would respond next week.

Does anyone know what programmes on TV3/UTVI have drawn money off this fund? Red Rock?

ShaneOC

https://twitter.com/CorkShane/status/629649762359332864

ftakeith

irishfeen wrote: »

I have asked the BAI for clarification on BAI Sound and Vision programming behind the paywall ... They said they would respond next week.

Does anyone know what programmes on TV3/UTVI have drawn money off this fund? Red Rock?

The restaurant
great irish bake off
The holiday show
titanic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV3_(Ireland)#Irish-produced_programming

Drama[edit]TV3 are not known for their drama. TV3 have commissioned a number of short and feature films with both the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland and the Irish Film Board. In 2004 they co-produced RTÉ Two's ill-fated 20 some-things drama The Big Bow Wow.[44]
Since 2006 TV3 have looked towards home produced drama with the likes of Laura Windermere's Bag and Deception. They also took a look a two other drama serials The Guards and a revival of RTÉ's The Clinic however neither came to fruition.

In 2008, TV3 began to introduce its own homegrown produced drama series, the first being the one-off drama School Run. The drama was based on a school and was co-financed by TV3 and Broadcasting Authority of Ireland's Sound and Vision Fund it debuted in December 2008. In 2009, TV3 produced Laura Windermere's Bag a contemporary adaptation of the Oscar Wilde play Lady Windermere's Fan set on the south of Dublin.

TV3 would later produce The Guards[45] starring EmmeTt J. Scanlan, promoting it as an Irish version of the The Wire[46] it was scheduled to broadcast in summer 2010. When production began two episodes were produced and later an additional four episodes were added to the series. Despite promotion around the series, the programme never aired on TV3.

In 2011, TV3 broadcast RTL's Jack Taylor series.[47] In 2012 TV3 and ITV co-produced Titantic with funding from the BAI.[38] In 2013, TV3 premiered a new Irish drama Taylor Hill,[48] the show was later aired as 'Deception' which received mixed reviews.[49] As part of its 2012 autumn-winter season TV3 announced it was to air its first comedy show which follow three couples embarking on couples counselling in On the Couch, this show aired in early 2013.[50]
TV3 will broadcast the film adaptation of the play The Guarantee, which explores the Irish Banking collapse in the late 2000s.

Factual programming[edit]In early 2008, TV3 made a commitment to producing factual programming. The first major documentary was Me and The Big C, charting different people's struggle with cancer; Inside and Out, a makeover show hosted by Sinead O' Carroll; Dirty Money: The Story of the Criminal Assets Bureau, a crime documentary fronted by Paul Williams and Diary of... which followed six people as they went through life-changing events.

The autumn 2008 schedule continued this trend, with several Irish produced series including Now Then: How the Irish Have Sex, CCTV Cities with Donal MacIntyre, Living With Murder, presented by Maura Derrane, and Corrupt – examining corruption in Ireland. Crunch Time was a three part documentary exploring Ireland's property crisis.

Many of TV3's factual programming is produced with the assistance of the licence fee through the BCI's Sound and Vision Fund or are produced in house by TV3's News and Information Department. The Cosmetic Surgery Show that looks at the world of cosmetic surgery presented by Dr. 90210 and Caroline Morahan was broadcast in 2009. TV3 introduced Paul Connolly Investigates a series of investigative journalist documentaries which focus on crime and deviance in Ireland.

TV3 announced a raft of TV documentaries in 2011 including The Irish of 9/11, The Hospice, Paul Connolly Investigates, Anatomy of a Car Crash, Challenging God, 24 Hours to Kill, The Day the Germans Bombed Dublin, The Rise and Fall of Fianna Fáil, Sex Lives, Hen Parties, Paddies in Paradise, Strictly Irish Dancing, Ireland's Disco Kids, Dejunk Your Life and Ireland's Top Teens.[38]
In 2012 and 2013 TV3 introduced further factual programming including a Vincent Browne hosted series which questions the validity of God in 21st Century Ireland in Challenging God. New documentary series include The Estate, which looks at life in a low-income neighbourhood, In the Name of the Republic, Michaela: The Search for Justice, Sex and the Gaelteact.[58]
As of 2014 TV3 has a new department Public Affairs & Documentary Unit which will broadcast a weekly investigative series. This took over factual programming from their News and Information Department.

irishfeen

If TV3/UTV broadcast even one BAI funded programme behind the HD paywall then an official complaint will be lodged.

It will be interesting to see what the BAI's stance on the matter is..

total former

irishfeen wrote: »

If TV3/UTV broadcast even one BAI funded programme behind the HD paywall then an official complaint will be lodged.

It will be interesting to see what the BAI's stance on the matter is..

Since RTE1 HD isn't on Sky at all, UTV HD isn't on Saorview and TG4 HD is only available on UPC, why do you think they would take any different stance with TV3? Genuine question. It would seem pretty clear that public service doesn't extend to HD?

lertsnim

total former wrote: »

Since RTE1 HD isn't on Sky at all, UTV HD isn't on Saorview and TG4 HD is only available on UPC, why do you think they would take any different stance with TV3? Genuine question. It would seem pretty clear that public service doesn't extend to HD?

You cannot compare RTE One HD not being on Sky with TV3 HD being available only to those that will pay extra for it. RTE One HD is FTA to anyone who wants it terrestrially via Saorview and satellite via Saorsat.

TG4 HD should be avilable to everyone also.

irishfeen

total former wrote: »

Since RTE1 HD isn't on Sky at all, UTV HD isn't on Saorview and TG4 HD is only available on UPC, why do you think they would take any different stance with TV3? Genuine question. It would seem pretty clear that public service doesn't extend to HD?

But ... I'm watching RTÉ One HD at this very moment and I don't have to pay an extra €15... please don't get me wrong, I don't care whether TV3 HD is on Sky or Saorview. My problem lies with the fact that TV3 is a Public Service Broadcaster (PSB) this gives them excellent EPG positions and allows them draw down money from BAI funding (which comes from the licence fee)

Who do they think they are to charge us for watching programmes we pay for in HD...

total former

irishfeen wrote: »

But ... I'm watching RTÉ One HD at this very moment and I don't have to pay an extra €15... please don't get me wrong, I don't care whether TV3 HD is on Sky or Saorview. My problem lies with the fact that TV3 is a Public Service Broadcaster (PSB) this gives them excellent EPG positions and allows them draw down money from BAI funding (which comes from the licence fee)

Who do they think they are to charge us for watching programmes we pay for in HD...

But you're not watching RTE 1 HD on Sky...

I agree that HD should be considered "standard" now, but my point is that complaining re TV3 not broadcasting in clear via HD will only get the response that they don't have to. You should be objecting to the overall fact that PS doesn't cover HD.

dublinman1990

This is a absolute scandal from TV3. To think that TV3 could be certain that Irish people would most certainly be ready to pay an extra €15 on top of their subscription to watch one their of already main TV channels in HD is living in a cloud cuckoo land.

They paying to rent a HD studio from Sony and they are not using it to it's full potential. If they owned that studio in the first place they wouldn't go through the HD route anyway for possibly another few years because of the costs involved in making the HD programmes. But the thing is though is that nearly all of their current programmes have the ability to be shown in HD and their SD channel will be mostly irrelevant by being on Saorview, Saorsat, Evision, UPC and Sky.

TV3 are planning to cater for HD only programmes from the TV3 HD studio including live sports events and independent productions from ITV Studios. TV3 SD will somehow be an exact replica of that with slightly different scheduling during the day when it will launch later in time for the World Cup. All that dead money could be reinvested in paying for HD and TV3 will somehow benefit to going to HD via FTA because of guaranteed higher viewership figures for nearly all of their programmes which higher popularity including & increased advertising revenue for the broadcaster.

This extra can negate the need for paying in SD because all of the TV providers have the equipment capable of going HD in the 1st place. There should be a case that all PSB stations here should replace their SD variations if it's technically possible & be provided FTA & go HD only on all TV platforms in the Republic of Ireland. This measure should include the discontinuation of Irish PSB's going behind a paywall being listed in the Broadcasting Act of 2009 and being free on a HD sub.

It is huge step to go that far but it can be done with a bit of leadership and detailed discussion between all of the PSB broadcasters and the TV providers.

Joo0

The HD deal with Sky would have been done months ago. UPC might not get away with having tv3 HD only on pay TV platforms with the competition authority sniffing around. HD may be a luxury but this shouldn't apply to psb yes if you want Sky Atlantic or sports in HD pay away but it's a bit much to have to pay to watch tv3 in HD. The sets that tv3 use are extremely ugly I wonder what HD will do for them.

galtee boy

I know I'll get crucified for this, but the HD pack works out at 49 cent a day, not a lot extra, to get most of whatever decent channels are in your package in HD. I'm fairly certain that Sky are covering the entire cost of setting up TV3 in HD as are presumably UPC also, so of course they will want to recoup some of the cost, by going behind the HD sub paywall. Unfortunately, until HD entirely replaces SD and becomes the norm, subscription TV services will treat HD as a luxury and will charge accordingly, especially if they completely subsidise the HD version of a channel. Neither TV3, Sky or UPC are breaking any laws in this case.

irishfeen

galtee boy wrote: »

I know I'll get crucified for this, but the HD pack works out at 49 cent a day, not a lot extra, to get most of whatever decent channels are in your package in HD. I'm fairly certain that Sky are covering the entire cost of setting up TV3 in HD as are presumably UPC also, so of course they will want to recoup some of the cost, by going behind the HD sub paywall. Unfortunately, until HD entirely replaces SD and becomes the norm, subscription TV services will treat HD as a luxury and will charge accordingly, especially if they completely subsidise the HD version of a channel. Neither TV3, Sky or UPC are breaking any laws in this case.

No it's not its (35 odd euro) + 49c a day not to mention the licence fee for which we all pay and TV3 draws down money from to make the HD programming...

icdg

Joo0 wrote: »

The HD deal with Sky would have been done months ago. UPC might not get away with having tv3 HD only on pay TV platforms with the competition authority sniffing around.

To say this again, UPC do not own TV3. They don't "get the keys" as it were, until after all the approvals are in place. At this stage Doughty Hanson are still the ones calling the shots.

As regards UPC's own platform, all new TV customers have to take a Horizon package in which there is no separate charge for HD. Even for those on the old packages, for which there is an additional charge for HD a la Sky, RTE One, RTE Two, TG4, BBC One NI, BBC Two, and UTV Ireland are available in HD for those that have equipment that can receive them: I would be surprised if TV3 is not included in this group of channels.

lertsnim

galtee boy wrote: »

I know I'll get crucified for this, but the HD pack works out at 49 cent a day, not a lot extra, to get most of whatever decent channels are in your package in HD.

If I could get just the HD channels for 49 cent a day and not take any of the other rubbish then you would have a point.

channelsurfer2

so the exact legal stance is grey?. TV3 as a public service broadcaster can make people pay for HD on a foreign platform(Sky) yet RTE2HD is available at the basic level because of complaints to the BAI and Comreg..

Sam Russell

Not only that but Sky cannot charge for RTE 2 HD and can get away with not supplying RTE 1 HD. We have yet to see if TV3 is supplied free to people with HD equipment but no HD sub.

irishfeen

Sam Russell wrote: »

Not only that but Sky cannot charge for RTE 2 HD and can get away with not supplying RTE 1 HD. We have yet to see if TV3 is supplied free to people with HD equipment but no HD sub.

Sam, they confirmed to me yesterday that we will need the HD subscription with sky to watch TV3HD...

Sam Russell

irishfeen wrote: »

Sam, they confirmed to me yesterday that we will need the HD subscription with sky to watch TV3HD...

OK. It will not effect me. 1. I do not have Sky. 2. I do not watch TV3 (by my wife does a bit). 3. I will be watching the RWC on ITV.

I have Freesat and will be watching the match with Wales on BBC 1 Wales HD. Happy days.

Charles Slane

TV3 HD now clearing with Irish HD sub. TV3 programming and EPG info.

11.758 H, SR 29.500 FEC 3/4 DVB-S2 QPSK labelled "3881"

Normal TV3 dog, no "HD" added as yet.

channelsurfer2

so who has authority over whether they can actually charge as a public service broadcaster? is it comreg or the BAI? I know for the sound a vision fund its BAI but to query the overall picture is it comreg?

irishfeen

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

so who has authority over whether they can actually charge as a public service broadcaster? is it comreg or the BAI? I know for the sound a vision fund its BAI but to query the overall picture is it comreg?

BAI I would imagine - they were the ones who forced RTÉ's hand on RTÉ2HD. It actually came about from complaints lodged from users of boards... we should do the same with TV3!

channelsurfer2

irishfeen wrote: »

BAI I would imagine - they were the ones who forced RTÉ's hand on RTÉ2HD. It actually came about from complaints lodged from users of boards... we should do the same with TV3!

ah yes. I was just checking back and I complained in 2013 and got a response from the BAI about RTE2HD. Guess if its only on the HD pack I will have to write another letter!

irishfeen

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

ah yes. I was just checking back and I complained in 2013 and got a response from the BAI about RTE2HD. Guess if its only on the HD pack I will have to write another letter!

We might all be sending a letter ... being serious though TV3 and UTV should be forced - its very bad form from Public Service Broadcasters!

MadSham

irishfeen wrote: »

We might all be sending a letter ... being serious though TV3 and UTV should be forced - its very bad form from Public Service Broadcasters!

They (Sky/TV3/UTVi) wouldn't get away with it in the UK, so why should they get away with it in Ireland. I hope people power wins out on this one, like it resolved the RTÉ 2HD question all those years ago!

irishfeen

Did the BAI make an official response to RTÉ2HD situation when in initially launched on sky? what justification did the BAI give I wonder?

Sam Russell

The bigger question is why is the SD signal from TV3 so awful?

(I am not talking about the awful and woeful content, but the appalling fuzzy picture).

dubmick

Sam Russell wrote: »

The bigger question is why is the SD signal from TV3 so awful?

(I am not talking about the awful and woeful content, but the appalling fuzzy picture).

Setanta Ireland would be similar

galtee boy

Charles Slane wrote: »

TV3 HD now clearing with Irish HD sub. TV3 programming and EPG info.

11.758 H, SR 29.500 FEC 3/4 DVB-S2 QPSK labelled "3881"

Normal TV3 dog, no "HD" added as yet.

HD logo now on screen.

Apogee

irishfeen wrote: »

Did the BAI make an official response to RTÉ2HD situation when in initially launched on sky? what justification did the BAI give I wonder?

I'm not sure the two situations are comparable. RTÉ and TG4 have certain obligations as "must-carry" services under the Broadcasting Act. This includes the provision that no extra charges can be placed on customers in order to view them.

If you look at the original complaints made to BAI regarding RTÉ2HD, it was on this basis:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78730796&postcount=533

Similarly, I contacted TG4 citing the same part of the 2009 Act at the time UPC were claiming customers would require a HD subscription to watch TG4HD.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056727338&page=19

The problem that I can see is that TV3 are not a PSB. They are not explicitly mentioned in the act, unless they fall under the latter part of the section?

2009 Act wrote:

An appropriate network provider shall ensure the re-transmission, by or through his or her appropriate network, of each free-to-air television service provided for the time being by RTÉ, TG4 and the free-to-air service provided under section 70 by the television service programme contractor which that body or contractor requests the appropriate network provider to so re-transmit.

There may be a case regarding BAI Sound and Vision Fund supported programmes, but TV3 could argue that these are already available on SD.

icdg

The television service programme contractor is TV3.

galtee boy

TV3 HD now on Sky Epg 103 and SD on 273. Just wondering what happens when the RWC matches scheduled for 3E are broadcast ? If all matches are in HD, will TV3 HD be a simulcast of 3E ?

channelsurfer2

galtee boy wrote: »

TV3 HD now on Sky Epg 103 and SD on 273. Just wondering what happens when the RWC matches scheduled for 3E are broadcast ? If all matches are in HD, will TV3 HD be a simulcast of 3E ?

is is viewable to those without a HD sub?

Stinicker

Will TV3-HD be launching on Saorview or will TV3 remain in SD on the terrestrial Saorview?

Chris_Bradley

Stinicker wrote: »

Will TV3-HD be launching on Saorview or will TV3 remain in SD on the terrestrial Saorview?

No chance on Saorview unfortunately for HD.

Charles Slane

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

is is viewable to those without a HD sub?

Anyone have the answer to this?

zefer

Charles Slane wrote: »

Anyone have the answer to this?

Doesn't look like it no

Red Silurian

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

is is viewable to those without a HD sub?

Nope. Meaning I'll be watching the World Cup in HD on UTV (The Northern Irish version)

Chris_Bradley

Off topic - sorry - Are the ITV HD channels still able to be manual tuned on a Sky Box or is it just UTV in HD?

twinklerunner

Chris_Bradley wrote: »

Off topic - sorry - Are the ITV HD channels still able to be manual tuned on a Sky Box or is it just UTV in HD?

Yes, not just UTV

dulpit

Watching tv3 in HD on sky. While it's nice to have the HD, bad form they've stuck it behind the HD paywall though...

Of note, the HD shows that the late review set is absolute crap, do they not hire set designers?

Mickey Mike

What do you mean by a HD paywall ? Anyway since they are not on saorview with HD I don't give a crap about it, very disappointed. We all have enough bills to pay for without trying to fork out even more.