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Year 4: "It's a game of inches"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭kit3


    There goes the image of a manly voice - how a reputation can change in a few posts :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Best of luck tomorrow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Thursday 3.1 miles easy (8.12 min pace)

    Friday 6 miles easy (8.39 min pace)

    Saturday Tymon Parkrun

    Sunday OFF

    Monday OFF

    Tuesday 5 miles very easy (8.48 min pace)

    My season finished with a whimper with the cancellation of the Waterford Half but wasn't too disappointed to be honest. Had the club end of year Awards the Friday night so what was intended to be a couple of drinks ended up being a 3 am job. I had said to myself that I would do the Park run as a replacement though so I was determined to get out.

    Saturday morning and I was praying as I ran up to the start that I would be met with cancellation due to the weather sadly though the volunteers were out in force. (big props to them as they nearly outnumbered the field running) What was even worse was that one of the lads from the club who had missed the night before had shown up. Only getting back to fitness but kinda figured he would have me well beat.

    100m in and we were already clear of the field. Hangover wasn't too bad at this stage so I figured let him dictate the pace as I knew if I pushed it the brekkie was coming up :o

    1st mile was 6.06 dunno if the weather was helping slowing us down but didnt feel like we were out of second gear. Next mile we had the winds on our back again tipping along nicely. He started to gain a lead of a couple of meters however I managed to make it back going straight through some of the flooded sections as he tried to maneuver around them. This was a blessing as I reckon if he got any further ahead the invisible elastic band would have broke and he was away.

    Last mile and suddenly he was falling back. Hadn't upped the effort really as I didn't have it to but I got a small lead. Decided I would try pull away a bit and get myself clear so that I could recharge batteries in case he went to come by me later. Figured having him work hard to catch up with me might take a kick out of the legs. It never came mind you and cruised in in 18.26 feeling very easy despite the weather. Kinda highlights I am in alot better knick that August when I tempo'ed the loop in 18.34 in fine conditions and that was a little more difficult.

    The plan over next 2-3 weeks is just very handy mileage and break up what could be a long season.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Tuesday PM 9 miles easy (7.45 min pace)

    Wednesday 6 windy miles (8.06 min pace)

    Thursday AM Lactate Threshold Testing

    Tuesday evening out after work and felt great. Pace came naturally despite a decently hilly loop.

    Took evening off Wednesday with the Lactate Threshold testing scheduled the next morning and figured I would get a decent night sleep however that backfired as for some reason I struggled for hours to get to sleep.

    In terms of the test HR seemed to be a little high (most likely from the tiredness) but didn't feel too bad during the test. Haven't got the full report back but happy with the initial feedback and figures seen after the test as it has me very aerobically strong which is exactly where I want to be with lactate clearance pretty good. One downside was a Didn't manage to even start the Vo2 max ramp test as I got a little light headed. Would have been nice to have the figures from this but not essential and I will have another round of this come the new year.

    Sets me up nicely going into the new year in terms of kicking on and utilizing the strength accumulated (not to mention the test being a decent little workout in itself)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    How long did you last on the treadmill?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    davedanon wrote: »
    How long did you last on the treadmill?

    Hit 4 mmol at 18kmph which would be my LT.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Why the need for the test? Just curiosity or a specific reason?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    tang1 wrote: »
    Why the need for the test? Just curiosity or a specific reason?

    Meant to get one earlier in the winter anyway but this was was fortuitously a case where I was asked to do it as part of a clinical trial for a research paper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Meant to get one earlier in the winter anyway but this was was fortuitously a case where I was asked to do it as part of a clinical trial for a research paper.

    Will you be taking a new set of paces for training from the test or leave things as is?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    tang1 wrote: »
    Will you be taking a new set of paces for training from the test or leave things as is?

    Will wait for the report. Dunno if the paces will change all too much to be honest, LT is slightly faster than Tempo pace and between the discreprancies between treadmill and no wind probably will workout pretty close.

    There might be slight changes in emphasis in sessions but to be honest this was coming in the new year anyway as part of the overall yearly plan but I will dissect report when I get it and take things into account definitely.

    The more sensory feedback I can get the better.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Thursday 3.1 miles easy (8.12 min pace)

    Friday 6 miles easy (8.39 min pace)

    Saturday Tymon Parkrun

    Sunday OFF

    Monday OFF

    Tuesday 5 miles very easy (8.48 min pace)

    My season finished with a whimper with the cancellation of the Waterford Half but wasn't too disappointed to be honest. Had the club end of year Awards the Friday night so what was intended to be a couple of drinks ended up being a 3 am job. I had said to myself that I would do the Park run as a replacement though so I was determined to get out.

    Saturday morning and I was praying as I ran up to the start that I would be met with cancellation due to the weather sadly though the volunteers were out in force. (big props to them as they nearly outnumbered the field running) What was even worse was that one of the lads from the club who had missed the night before had shown up. Only getting back to fitness but kinda figured he would have me well beat.

    100m in and we were already clear of the field. Hangover wasn't too bad at this stage so I figured let him dictate the pace as I knew if I pushed it the brekkie was coming up :o

    1st mile was 6.06 dunno if the weather was helping slowing us down but didnt feel like we were out of second gear. Next mile we had the winds on our back again tipping along nicely. He started to gain a lead of a couple of meters however I managed to make it back going straight through some of the flooded sections as he tried to maneuver around them. This was a blessing as I reckon if he got any further ahead the invisible elastic band would have broke and he was away.

    Last mile and suddenly he was falling back. Hadn't upped the effort really as I didn't have it to but I got a small lead. Decided I would try pull away a bit and get myself clear so that I could recharge batteries in case he went to come by me later. Figured having him work hard to catch up with me might take a kick out of the legs. It never came mind you and cruised in in 18.26 feeling very easy despite the weather. Kinda highlights I am in alot better knick that August when I tempo'ed the loop in 18.34 in fine conditions and that was a little more difficult.

    The plan over next 2-3 weeks is just very handy mileage and break up what could be a long season.

    Wait....hang on...did you actually WIN the flippin park run?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Wait....hang on...did you actually WIN the flippin park run?

    there are no winners in parkrun, only first finishers :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    RayCun wrote: »
    there are no winners in parkrun, only first finishers :D

    winner/first finisher, tomatoes/tomatoes (actually that doesn't work in writing :pac:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    RayCun wrote: »
    there are no winners in parkrun, only first finishers :D

    Lol...you rock up to a park run after being out till 3am..to 'clear the head' and end up winning the thing without pukin up...thats a winner in my book :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Lol...you rock up to a park run after being out till 3am..to 'clear the head' and end up winning the thing without pukin up...thats a winner in my book :pac:

    Rule out

    - Those running National Novice Cross Country
    - Those running Jingle Bells
    - Those not bothered chasing a time in that weather
    - Those not foolish enough to risk their safety in that weather
    - Those volunteering

    Suddenly that achievement is put right in its place. I will take pride in keeping the brekkie down however :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Rule out

    - Those running National Novice Cross Country
    - Those running Jingle Bells
    - Those not bothered chasing a time in that weather
    - Those not foolish enough to risk their safety in that weather
    - Those volunteering

    Suddenly that achievement is put right in its place. I will take pride in keeping the brekkie down however :D

    Haahaa...true. But I wouldnt mind wandering up to a park run after being out the night before and finishing first on second gear though! Instead of:-

    - Having to abstain from alcohol from the Wednesday before (not that i'd be drinkin on a Wed normally of course :pac: )
    - Avoiding the free friday brekkie in work
    - Hardly able to swallow the brekkie because of nerves
    - Hoping during the whole journey there that it'll be cancelled
    - Praying at the Limekiln end some merciful god will put me out of my misery

    All to plod home in 30 mins :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Rule out

    - Those running National Novice Cross Country
    - Those running Jingle Bells
    - Those not bothered chasing a time in that weather
    - Those not foolish enough to risk their safety in that weather
    - Those volunteering

    Suddenly that achievement is put right in its place. I will take pride in keeping the brekkie down however :D


    Tymon parkrun had its lowest-ever turnout on Saturday. 19 (nineteen) people, at least three of whom were extremely hungover. There was also one small boy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Friday OFF

    Saturday OFF

    Sunday OFF

    Monday Upperbody Gym Session

    5x8+ (last set to failure (12) ) Dumbell Bench - 30 kg
    5x8+ (last set to failure (9) ) Half Barbell Cleans - 20kg
    5x8+ (last set to failure (10) ) Barbell Bent Over Row - 30 kg
    4x12 Lateral Cable Raises - 2.5kg (about 33% of prior injury)
    4x12 BW Tricep Dips

    Tuesday AM 6 miles easy (7.43 min pace)

    Bit of a catch up. Last week about Monday felt a weird pain come on about monday. It was a boney pain at the head of the tibia (shin bone just below the knee joint) which was sore on touch and eccentric loading which immediately raised alarm bells with me. Because I didn't feel it while running however I put it down to a bang over the weekend that I don't remember. By Thursday it was still there though, no better, no worse so I decided to play it safe and take a few days off.

    Over the weekend did a bit of manual work on it and seems to be a very mild ligament issue judging by some of the testing I did on it. Will get a second opinion on it but for now I am confident I am not doing damage by running on it so I tested out with a warm up to and from the gym Monday.

    This was the first non rehab gym session that I had done since July due to shoulder but no ill effects save for major weakness on the lateral raises (which is why I added these exercises)

    Following a simple progression plan (as below) for the next 6 weeks in the Gym with an upper and lower body workout per week to work on a bit of strength and power.

    Week| % of Max| Set/Reps
    Week 1 | 70% |5x8+
    Week 2 | 75% |5x6+
    Week 3 | 80% |5x5+
    Week 4 | 85% |5x4+
    Week 5 | 90% |5x3+
    Week 6 | 95% |5x2+

    Definitely feeling it after the session though as could barely lift the arms for the day.

    Back out at it Tuesday. No major change with the knee but no ill effects either so I reckon it will heal as long as I don't do anything crazy, as loading only causes discomfort at pause point of a single leg squat.

    Will definitely get it checked this week though for peace of mind and a second opinion. Not the worst time to pick up a niggle given my scheduled down time but still a weird one to get considering I haven't had a hard day as well as the volume drop in the last 3 weeks (since last race)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Tuesday PM 7 miles easy (7.35 min pace)

    Wednesday 14 miles (10 Fartlek) (7.30 pace)

    Handy one home feeling quite sprightly following on from the few days off.

    Into the Park this morning to meet TbL for a session he was doing. The plan was to do 10 miles alternating pace each km from MP to Steady (6.55/7.30 average pace per mile). The constant pace changes were rough enough on the quads and was feeling it a bit by the end. Finished this up and ran into town to make up the long run as it saved me heading home before work. Faded a bit in the last three mile but I think it was just down to the nature of the session. All in all a decent workout though and good to get a bit of a long run as I knew I wouldn't get one in over the weekend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Longest time in a while without an update here unfortunately the Festive season is taking its toll so I am in damage limitation mode for the next week or so between few different commitments

    Thursday 4.2 miles easy (7.52 min pace)

    Friday OFF

    Saturday 9 miles including 3 at tempo (Park Run)

    Sunday OFF

    Monday 4.5 miles easy (7.36 min pace)

    Tuesday AM 8.8 miles easy (7.46 min pace)
    Tuesday PM 3.2 miles easy (8.01 min pace)

    Thursday was a handy lunch time run. The work Christmas party was straight after I finished my shift so didn't have time for a second one and a rough night took its toll the next day when I couldn't manage to function before I had to hit into work (thankfully was on a later shift)

    Saturday was Christmas day out with the OH so I figured would use the Park run as a mini session. Had some guy head out like the clappers at around 5 min pace despite a stiff breeze. I knew he wouldn't last so I just bidded my time and despite him making about 100m on me in the first mile I slowly reeled him in and left him just before the end of mile two. Was working hard in the conditions. Followed this up with a few more miles running errands. Keeping the Tallaght AC tradition going with 3rd week in a row (and double with one of the ladies from the club top female)

    Sunday was planned day off after the Saturday out and then back to it Monday before starting the manic that is Christmas shopping.

    The plan for the rest of the week is simply, get out and do a few miles every day


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Wednesday AM 3 miles easy (8.10 min pace) + Gym
    Wednesday PM 8.2 miles easy (8.11 min pace)

    Gym Session
    5x8 Deep Squat - 50kg
    5x8 Romanian Deadlift - 40 kg
    5x8 Dumbell lunges - 30 kg
    4x12 Goodmornings - 15kg
    4x12 Calf Raise - 80 kg

    Had a bit of time yesterday as presents all bought and wrapped, Club Bag pack attended and wasn't back into work till today so took advantage of it and decided to get my gym session in. Tough one and knew I was gonna pay for it as I am walking like an Egyptian now. Handy one in evening after it.

    Forgot about the last set to failure and only dawned on me last night but I will be letting it slide as I tend to repeat week one of my progressions next week with Upper and Lower body each once a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    Hi Myles, I'm only at the gym work a few weeks, my reps would be 3x5 for the heavier stuff like squats. 5 x 8 would leave me out of action for a week i reckon! did it take you a while to build up to that or do you think that's what I should be doing now? I do almost the same routine only without good mornings


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    Hi Myles, I'm only at the gym work a few weeks, my reps would be 3x5 for the heavier stuff like squats. 5 x 8 would leave me out of action for a week i reckon! did it take you a while to build up to that or do you think that's what I should be doing now? I do almost the same routine only without good mornings

    I actually posted the plan I am doing in a previous post (See below).

    Week| % of Max| Set/Reps
    Week 1 | 70% |5x8+
    Week 2 | 75% |5x6+
    Week 3 | 80% |5x5+
    Week 4 | 85% |5x4+
    Week 5 | 90% |5x3+
    Week 6 | 95% |5x2+

    This is a maximal strength development block for me. If you are new enough to strength training though I would recommend having an general prep phase a bit like the base phase you would have with your running. I didn't really post it in my training logs but I did spend the last few months doing Body weight movements and resistance band work for anatomical adaptation

    Effectively I would have 3 sets of 15-20 reps at 40-60% of 1RM (The maximum you could lift for one rep). This allows the developments of ligaments and tendons to adapt to be able to handle strength training.

    From here have to decide what the aim is - Building muscle mass or developing power. Both can be important as generally you will need a hypertrophy phase at some stage to increase max strength if plateau's and likewise you need a max strength phase to actually convert larger muscles into power and speed.

    For Hypertrophy (building muscle mass) aim should be 8-12 reps at around 60-70% of One Rep Max and doing 3-5 sets depending.

    For Max Strength you should be going for approx 75-90% One Rep Max but should be longer recoveries between sets and only doing 3-5 reps

    With weight training though golden rules

    - Form over weight - You will get more from a good depth squat with half the weight if done correctly. Always focus on the muscles you are targetting rather than getting the weight from A to B. Not to mention you will save yourself injury wise

    - Leave the Ego at the door. Lift heavy relative to you as mentioned before its about targeting particular muscles with correct intensity. All weight is not equal and is relative to your own body weight.

    With regards general guidelines regarding weights here are some figures for starting points if you don't know your 1 Rep Max

    Deadlift - Start at 75% Bodyweight
    Squat - Start at Bodyweight
    Bench - Start at 50% Bodyweight

    To give you at example I would consider myself relatively Novice (thought not untrained) but here are my figures in relation to bodyweight

    Current Bodyweight: 60 kg

    Max
    Deadlift: 60 kg (grip strength not up to scratch)
    Squat: 85 kg
    Bench: 45 kg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    that's a good read myles thanks. did you find it affects your running sessions at all?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    that's a good read myles thanks. did you find it affects your running sessions at all?

    1st time I took my lifting seriously was Winter 2013. Along with decent training it allowed me break the following PB's in the space of 6 weeks

    3k, 10k (ran same time twice in this period), 10 mile and paced a marathon

    Definitely makes a huge difference. Aimed to try and do the sessions the day of or day after workouts as no way i would have managed sessions with the DOMS (although become more manageable)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Thursday OFF

    Friday 2 mile warm up, goal mile (5.31 approx)

    Saturday Approx 14 miles (including 2.7 mile club race)

    Leaving work the 24th it dawned on me that the watch was left at the desk (subconciously trying to tell me something I guess :o) Between working till six, wrapping presents and getting up to family home meant I didn't have a chance to run so took it as a rest day.

    Goal Mile
    Christmas morning then a handy jog down to the club for the goal mile. Not quite in PB shape from the night before but wasn't feeling completely terrible either. Due to the weather they weren't having the clock reset for every race and was a bit of a free for all so me and two other lads lined up for one race and headed off.

    I took the lead with the lads in toe though in truth was handy enough pace (though feeling harder than it should at around 82 sec lap) and this stage the lads pushed on a little and I tucked in. One of the guys is a 800m with 50.x speed so he was relying on a kick I was kinda thinking myself as the stomach wouldn't be able to hack a hard effort. With 250 to go I made a move though the other lad put the after burners on and left me for dust. I knew it was too far to sustain it so I tried to be sneaky. I slowed again and so did he and tried to move out into lane 5 and kick from there to catch him by surprise It worked to an extent as I caught back up to him but ran out of track to pass him.

    Stephens Day Run

    Club have a Kris Kindle race every year where everyone brings a present and your finishing order is the prize picking order. Met up with a few of the lads for an hour run before the race just to get a long run done for the day.

    The race itself was an interesting one. Started off with about 7 of us in a line almost at the front in possibly slowest race pace we have ever ran. Notions of a Kiely/Krusty hand holding across the line looked a distinct possibility after 400m. This was however short lived as I heard the words "Kenyan run!!! " shouted followed by a crazed lunatic sprinting at top end speed coming past us. (none other than everyone's favourite bathtub presenter TRR)

    As the chuckles settled down at this the it dawned on me that he wasn't letting up so I gave chase and suddenly the race was on. There was 5 of us at this stage involved in the race, normally all varying abilities but the degree of hangover was a distinct leveller, The lad in front had taken it easy the day before due to travel commitments, myself feeling a damn sight better for having the hour run done previously, TRR had been undone at this stage but not one but two separate lacing issues, then the other two lads from the Goal mile the day before.

    Following on from TRR's surge the lad out in front had grown a good lead with myself and another lad a good bit back battling away. I knew the guy in front was slowing but I also knew that If I pushed it there was a fear of a DNF so I pushed as hard as I could without actually having to dig in.

    A few more miles to round off the day and actually resulted in a decent week of training considering time of year thats in it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Given that I had a name change and hadn't posted here for a couple on months in the Spring thought it best to update the goings on of the year. Overall despite only breaking one PB (2 if you included my debut in the race walk) I was very pleased with the year overall.

    January

    After an overindulgent December I got back into training in earnest with the aim of working on speed at shorter distances. As such I decided to target indoors. Training was a little bit wishy washy but was getting the sessions in and getting used to the lactic. To cap the month off had a 1500m Felt in good shape but I just think I was missing a bit of race fitness and wheels came undone in the last 500m.

    February
    February same again sharper sessions were going well but mileage was a bit haphazard missed the Leinster championships and my chance at a rare 800m due to work commitments but had a 3000m and my first National Seniors Championships. Ultimately this was a disaster. Aim had always been to hang on and try get dragged around for a good time but when a few over exuberant younger lads decided to take it out at sub 8 minute pace this became a last man standing battle of attrition and though I did finish I was way off the back in a slow time.

    March
    This was a case of back to what I knew and my more usual distance training. There was no race here as I knew I was lacking strength and needed to build it up. Highlight was some very solid sessions while on warm weather training in Portugal with the old college athletics team. Not as many distance runners as there used to be for these trips but was still good to have some company.

    April
    With a good stint of training under the belt I got fully into race mode at this stage. Started with Leinster 10 mile where I finished 16th, solid effort and I reckon in or around the same as I managed the previous year effort wise although course was a bit slower due to more twists and turns, a decent rust buster though.

    The following week lined up for Road relays. It was a little windy and there was a decent group so I tried to tag in for the first mile (4.58) but ultimately this pace was a little hot and fell off the back as the group broke up and finished in 10.32 (10.23 but slightly longer than 2 mile) and a solid performance with fastest split on course ever.

    Followed this up with Dublin 10k Championships and first race back on the track. Was looking forward to this one as it was a dry run for the target race as there are very few 10k track races. Ended up only being 5 of us all at varying levels so was a glorified Time Trial but still managed to get within a second of my PB so was happy with the effort and always good to get a county medal as finished 3rd.

    May
    Possibly due to the high number of races or possibly just overdoing it but ended up sick the week after the 10k which knocked me for seven. Thought I nipped it in the bud but energy levels were gone and this was made evident when I tried to race 3 days after getting back to running. Ran a 3k in the graded despite sweating profusely the first 2 km didn't feel too bad and I was on PB pace. This came to a crashing end though as I went from 9.20-9.50 pace in the space of 1km.

    The following week was the target race of the first half of the year and although I was coming around I was still not 100%. Despite this went to London and hoped it would just click on the night. Gave it my all in the perfect race to hit a PB and despite hitting the target of 16.48 at 5k (had ran 16.50 for my last PB) I couldn't sustain it and fell off to 34.50 roughly 40 seconds slower than 3 weeks previously. Not the time I wanted but was such a great race I couldn't be truly disappointed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    June

    Sickness finally shaken and was eager to have a good crack at 5k. Lined up in Dublin Championships where actually ended up racing one of the guys I had been training with in Portugal earlier in the season. Lost that battle but did manage to break my longest standing PB (stood for over 10 years) by 5 seconds so was delighted. This was followed up with a holiday that led to me being confined to 40 min treadmill runs due to temperatures and traffic (Marrakech not runner friendly) Came back with a 9.28 3k much improved on my previous two of the year but still a bit off PB.

    July
    A very humid 9.32 3k to start the beginning of the end. National Leagues and a crack of the Steeple PB was on the horizon however two days before the race I came off the bike. The result? broken collarbone and torn ligaments in the shoulder put an end to the season. Did end up competing in the Leagues but this was strictly for points in the Walk as we don't have any walkers in the club, still 4th place in Premier was a decent one for points tally which sadly wasn't enough to keep us in top division

    August
    Plenty of spin bike and rehab until I was able to get out running. Spent five weeks running off HR very easy just building a base. Paces were slow but were what was needed at the time.

    September
    Back to sessions and started with XC training. Mileage and paces were not exceptionally high in comparison to other years but consistency was there and definitely better than previously.

    October
    Time to test out the revised paces and see where I was. Surprisingly went very well with highest Novice finish ever (14th). Ran well and was optimistic for the season based off the result given limited sessions I had done since July

    November
    Another heavy racing month with Dublin intermediates and Seniors both exceeding expectations, and even managed to squeeze in a bonus race in Interclubs which was a fantastic race and great to be put in your place in a really deep field while trying to remain competitive with the guys you have been racing week in and week out over the winter. In terms of the whole winter XC was definitely a successful season. It's nice to get PB's and that but there is also a nice feeling around basing your performances off how you raced as well.

    December
    A few weeks to recharge the batteries without sessions. A few Park runs as tempo's to keep me ticking over but other than that nothing too drastic. Slowly reintroduced weight sessions also and a Lactate Threshold Test to help confirm that aerobically I have come through a good winter to kick on from.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Overall race was probably alot more active this year in comparison to other

    2015
    Jan| National Indoor Leagues - 1500m| 4.23.53|
    Feb|National Senior Indoors - 3000m|9:48.02|
    Apr| Brian Boru 10m| 58.43|
    Apr| National Road Relays| 10.33|
    Apr| Dublin 10k Championships| 34.11.19|
    May| Dublin Gradeds| 9.53.43|
    May| Highgate Night of 10,000m PBs| 34.51.11|
    June| Dublin 5k Championships| 16.27.04| PB
    June| Dublin Graded 3000m| 9.28.40|
    July| Dublin Graded 3000m| 9.32.32|
    July| National Leagues - 3000m Walk| 4th|
    Oct| Dublin Novice Cross Country| 14th| Highest Placing
    Nov| Dublin Senior Cross Country| 46th|
    Nov| National Inter Clubs Cross Country| 123rd|
    Nov| Dublin Intermediates Cross Country|13th| Highest Placing|



    2014
    Jan| Raheny 5 mile| 27.45|
    Feb| Marlay Park Run |17.49|
    Mar| Bohermeen HM| 1.16.12|PB
    Mar| Tralee Marathonl| 3.00.04| Pacer
    Apr| K Club 10k| 34.10|PB
    Apr| Brian Boru 10M| 57.27|PB
    Apr| 3000m Graded meet| 9.20.02|PB
    May| Limerick Marathon| 2.59.25|Pacer
    May| 10000m Graded Meet| 34.10.02|=PB
    May| National League Rd. 1 - 3000m S/C| 10.38|
    June| National Leagues 3000m S/C| 10.43|
    June|National Leagues 5000m| 17.20|
    July| Donadea 5k| 17.54|
    August| Tymon Park Run| 19.04|
    September| Dublin Novice XC||
    Oct| BHAA 4 mile XC | |
    Nov| Dublin Intermediate XC||
    Dec| Waterford HM |1.16.01|PB


    2013
    27-Jan| Raheny 5 mile| 28.39|
    22-Feb| Malahide Park Run |17.17|
    17-Mar| Tubbercurry 10k| 37.03|
    20-Mar| Club 1500m time trial| 4.27|
    14-Apr| Great Ireland Run| 36.49|
    02-May| Graded Meet - 800m| 2.10.43|
    13-May| Tom Byrne 5k| 17.06|
    16-May| Graded meet - 1500m| 4.28.16|
    27-May| National Leagues 3000m S/C| 10.58|
    30-May| Graded Meet - 1 mile| 4.54.39|
    08-Aug| Dublin Rock and Roll Half| 1.25.11|
    06-Oct| Kilcock Kilomathon| 1.49.22|
    31-Oct| Dublin Marathon | 3.00.17|
    01-Dec| Dublin Intermediate XC||
    14-Dec| Marlay Parkrun |17.18|
    22-Dec| Clonliffe Cracker 5k| 16.46


    2012
    Jan|Raheny 5|27.21| PB|
    Feb|Garda 4 mile XC| 23.51||
    Feb| Interclubs XC|41.07|Course best|
    Mar|DCC 4 mile|21.40|PB|
    Jun|National Leagues 3k S/C|11.12||
    Jun| Midsummer 5k|17.34||
    July|National Leagues|10.27|PB|
    Sept|National Half|82.46||
    Sept|Bhaa 10k|35.24||
    Sept|Dublin Half|76.20|PB|
    Sept|Liz McDonnell 5k XC|17.48||
    Oct|Tallaght 5 mile|28.05||


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    I have already posted my goals but it is time to actually get down to Target races. This year will be geared around Championship races as a club team for a number of reasons but the main ones I have in mind where I want PB's are;

    Feb 28th | Torrvieja Half Marathon
    May 21st | Highgate Night of 10,000m PBs
    June (calendar on AAI appears to be Broke) | National Seniors 10,000m
    October | DCM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Sunday 5 miles easy (8.04 min pace)

    Monday OFF

    Tuesday OFF

    Wednesday 8.8 miles (7.18 min pace)

    Thursday OFF

    Friday OFF

    Saturday 5.5 miles easy (7.53 min pace)

    Sunday 14.2 miles easy (7.38 min pace)

    After being pretty good for getting out Christmas week I let my guard down between Family occasions, work, Friends over from US, GB and Aus and New Years in Galway the week was a bit of a distaster however managed to get back on track when got home and got a bit done before next training block begins.

    I had 3-4 weeks down time built into the training plan at the start of the year but the cancellation of Waterford extended this a bit longer. I have definitely lost the ability to hurt as only sort of sessions I did in this time were tempo'ed parkruns and a Lactate Threshold test. Despite this I managed to keep the fitness up and fired up to get back into full training as of today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Monday 8 miles easy (8.13 min pace)

    Tuesday AM 4 miles east (7.50 min easy)
    Tuesday PM 3 x (4x300 w/45 sec rec) 2.30 b/w sets

    Splits:
    (55, 54, 55, 56)
    (53, 55, 56, 56)
    (54 ,56, 58 ,58)

    Wednesday AM 9 miles easy (7.55 min pace)

    Wednesday Afternoon Upper Body Workout

    5x8+ (last set to failure (11) ) Dumbell Bench - 30 kg
    5x8+ (last set to failure (12) ) Half Barbell Cleans - 25kg
    5x8+ (last set to failure (10) ) Barbell Bent Over Row - 30 kg
    4x12 Lateral Cable Raises - 2.5kg (about 33% of prior injury)
    3x12 Cable Tricep Pulldowns - 15kg (Couldn't finish last set)

    Wednesday PM 5.5 miles easy ( 8.10 min pace)

    My mini base phase done and dusted and it was back to reality this week.

    Had planned getting up to the club for Tuesday's session but a last min call about a viewing meant that I had a very small window to get this done today so decided to mosy on down to behind enemy lines and went to Irishtown. Not a soul there to brave the elements (before the clubs started training) but a bit of an annoyance running in lane 3 due to the barriers being up but made the best of it. First rep I was convinced that I ran off the wrong line but decided to keep consistent but as the session went on I think it was just that the paces were slower being first session back and the conditions. Effort was definitely there and not the worst session despite the splits being alot poorer than expected.

    Wednesday and met up with one of the lads in the morning for a few handy miles. Bit of a sugar crash by the end so walked the last half mile home buts still a good solid 70 min run.

    Down to the gym in afternoon and still fairly flaked the training catching up but went pretty well. Decided to do week 1 again of my progression just with upping sessions to 2 a week plus workouts didn't want to simultaneously up the intensity too much.

    Handy one with a few of the lads in the evening. Was struggling at first when got out but actually got a bit of energy as the run went on and felt pretty good.

    All in all a nice start to the training block.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    If you don't mind me asking L (could probably put this in the S+C thread but anyway), regarding upper body gym work do you take the same approach as you would for lower legs ie. low reps/high weight? Or is their a different approach for upper body. For MD runners, I know a little more upper body weight is acceptable compared to long distance runners. I currently do no upper body work but was thinking of including maybe one session every 10 days or so. For me personally, "high weight" in upper body would be very relative as I have very poor upper body strength.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    pconn062 wrote: »
    If you don't mind me asking L (could probably put this in the S+C thread but anyway), regarding upper body gym work do you take the same approach as you would for lower legs ie. low reps/high weight? Or is their a different approach for upper body. For MD runners, I know a little more upper body weight is acceptable compared to long distance runners. I currently do no upper body work but was thinking of including maybe one session every 10 days or so. For me personally, "high weight" in upper body would be very relative as I have very poor upper body strength.

    Same format.

    3 main lifts progressing from 70% up to 95% while reducing reps from 8-2, with 2 accessory lifts (in this case mainly rehab style work for shoulder building up strength as there is still ligament weakness). Aim is to build a bit of strength in back and upper body for arm swing and postural. In terms of bulk though very hard to put on significant mass unless the diet is amended to do so, between the mileage and the nutrition it will more change body composition rather than add bulk

    Aim is to do the arms in around the faster session of the week and the legs around the longer/ tempo style work just to allow neural responses which aren't compromised by fatigue.

    Aim is to do this style of work for next 6-8 weeks and then from there progress to a bit more competition style stuff (plyo's and complex style resistance training)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Thursday AM 4 miles easy (8.34 min pace)
    Thursday PM 4x2200m Tempo w/2 min rec

    Splits
    7.57 (5.44 mile pace)
    7.56 (5.44 mile pace)
    7.49 (5.41 mile pace)
    7.43 (5.36 mile pace)

    Friday 11.5 miles easy (7.49 min pace)

    Saturday OFF

    Sunday AM 4.8 miles easy (8.07 min pace)

    Happy with Thursday's session went exactly to plan aim was to work right down to LT based off the LT testing report I had done before Christmas as well as Half target. Garmin was acting up a small bit throughout the session and strava paces well off.

    Saturday was a blip in an otherwise very solid week. This week through a bit of a curve ball as started looking for a new place and despite thinking that it may take a few weeks to find anything worth while got very lucky with first viewing and found a great place to rent so this week has been non stop trying to get things sorted.

    Had an appointment Friday which I was missing some relevant doc's for so had to reschedule to only appointment available which was Saturday morning this meant that the planned BHAA race was dead in the water. Would have liked the hard effort but what can you do.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Monday AM 5.2 miles easy (7.45 min pace)
    Monday PM 8.7 miles easy (8.01 min pace)

    Tuesday AM 5 miles easy (7.18 min pace)
    Tuesday PM 4.8 mile tempo (5.45 ave. pace)

    Splits
    5.48,
    5.39,
    5.41,
    5.48,
    4.40 (5.51 pace)

    Wednesday AM 5 miles easy (8.14 min pace)

    A good start to the week, I have found my groove and gotten back into my habit of late night runs again

    Tempo was enjoyable to be honest. Didn't expect the legs to handle it as well as they did pace wise given it was half eleven at night. As session went on though the icy air was taking its toll on the lungs. Laboured a bit with some stomach distress coming near the end of the session and pulled the plug slightly early but all in all I was happy out with the pace and the effort


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭neilc


    A good start to the week, I have found my groove and gotten back into my habit of late night runs again
    I find I'm awake half the night if I run too late, how does that work out for you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    neilc wrote: »
    I find I'm awake half the night if I run too late, how does that work out for you?

    I dunno if it is a case of being so used to shift work and working nights or simply a case that I have a fondness for sleep and could nod off at any given stage anywhere but I have no problem with conking easy enough and no amount hard workouts or caffeine seems to influence this.

    Mind you saying that took about 2 hours to get to sleep last night as I couldn't get any heat back into me after the run :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Wednesday PM 5.4 miles easy (8.18 min pace)

    Thursday AM 8x1km @ 10k pace w/2 min (200m) rec

    Splits:

    3.21,
    3.22,
    3.22,
    3.23,
    3.22,
    3.22,
    3.24,
    3.23

    Thursday PM Lower Body S & C

    5x8 Deep Squat|50kg| (last set to failure - 12)
    5x8 Romanian Deadlift | 40 kg| (last set to failure - 8)
    5x8 Barbell lunges | 17.5 kg|


    Session 2 of the week and up to the track on a perfect day, chilly but aside from that ideal for training. The reps themselves were very consistent not just in final splits but throughout the reps and was happy to be able to hit my 10k race pace bang on at the right effort at this time of the year.

    Each rep put a little more of a sting into the legs, nothing too major but enough to make the recoveries feel excessive at the start to "is it only 2 min" by the last one. Last two I was digging in a bit but still in control and running smoothly enough. Very happy with the session itself.

    Was under orders not to be late getting across to sign the lease for the new place so I was caught for time in the Gym so opted out of the accessory lifts. probably a good thing to as the session itself was a struggle as there was a bit of fatigue from training and the short turn around for this one. Ideally should have had longer or not do both on the same day but given I have a few days of low intensity running I risked it a little. Definitely feeling it today though as the DOMs is present by the bucket load. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    the little white men say not to do sets to failure!
    Training%2Bto%2Bfailure.png


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    RayCun wrote: »
    the little white men say not to do sets to failure!
    Training%2Bto%2Bfailure.png

    Damn undone by logical reputable science. Looks like I have my weekend reading assignment now :D

    Interesting all the same and will definitely have to consider the risk and reward of the approach. One caveat I should mention is that reps to failure are technical failure (can no longer hold good form) rather than absolute failure (can't generate enough power)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Friday AM 4.1 mile easy (7.57 min pace)
    Friday PM 7 miles easy + S & C form work

    Saturday 4.2 miles easy (8.23 min pace)

    Sunday 18 miles easy (8.02 min pace)

    Monday OFF

    Tuesday AM 5.3 miles easy (7.50 min pace)
    Tuesday PM 4 x (4x400 w/ 1 min rec) 400 jog between sets

    Splits
    (71, 71, 71, 72)
    (73, 72, 72, 73)
    (73, 71, 73, 73)
    (74, 73, 74, 72)

    Tuesday Post Session Upper Body S & C

    5x6 Bench Press (40kg)
    5x6 Half Barbell Cleans - 30kg
    2x BW pull ups
    4x12 BW Tricep Dips

    Wednesday 16 miles easy (last 4 steady)

    Following leg day was week I was crippled DOMS had me shuffling but was loosening out with every run. One of the guys in the club offered a S & C class and to help with form so always good to get feedback and correct some issues I was having. Definitely got alot out of it though was working off bar only thankfully with how the legs were feeling.
    Saturday was only chance I had to run as was heading straight to Leinster match after work so only had chance to duck out for a half our on a rare lunch break.
    Sunday just a routine club run up around Bournabreena great spot and some good climbs. The early mornings (8am start) usually rule me out when working Saturday nights but once I got up I managed fine as there was a large enough group.
    Monday consisted of trying to get things packed for the move this week and a full day of treatments so opted to take it off as I was flaked.

    Tuesday I wasn't letting this week get away from me and felt good on the morning run so was looking forward to the evenings session.Aim was to hit 73-74 for these. One of the lads in club decided to hop in and do a version of the session. Despite him being a good few seconds back just having him there kept me going on the last set as I was really working by the end of it. Hardest workout I have done in a long while but delighted to get it done. Following this up with a bit of upper body work. Despite the fact that the arms weren't being used in the run I was fairly flaked so this was tougher than it should have been.
    When got home saw a message from TbL seeing if I was around for a run in the morning so thankfully meant I was accountable to show up for a run and with the company it flew in despite heavy legs. The morning weather was perfect for running in the park and the run itself flew in despite me being pretty tired already.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Thursday OFF

    Friday AM 2x2800m (10 min) w/ 2 min rec

    Splits 5.50 mile pace

    Friday Afternoon 5.4 miles easy (8.36 min pace)
    Friday PM 5 miles easy (7.54 min pace)

    Saturday 4 miles easy (7.38 min pace)

    Sunday AM 2.7 miles easy (8.16 min pace)
    Sunday PM 6.7 miles hill fartlek

    Fighting an uphill battle for the second half of the week. Got the keys to the new place Thursday so between moving boxes, a trip to IKEA, hours of assembly and what not around work it has been damage limitation and getting done what I can.

    Despite managing roughly 70 miles for the week this was a poor week miles were forced in where I could get them and training was just a bit lacking.

    Friday's session I knew starting that I was not 100% and pulled the plug after the second 10 min segment as I was slower than would have liked and working harder. Runs in and out of work helped tick off a few miles after this after not getting out Thursday but I was keeping things handy as lack of sleep and poor nutrition meant I was playing with fire with regards illness or injury.

    Had hoped to get out Saturday morning however didn't get back from IKEA till 20 minutes before start of work shift so got dropped off straight away and ran home followed by what has now been deemed as "flat pack Saturday night", my definition of hell by time got wrapped up it was nearly 4am so a short sleep and back up early to try and get the rest finished. Short run into work followed suit.

    Sunday night I was like a zombie and knew I needed my bed so rather than let the evening go to waste I decided on a Fartlek in the truest sense. Plan was to surge on the uphill sections where I could find them and despite a few issues with strava reading the mileage ended up a decent little workout. Served the main purpose of the day which was to experience hurt and push through it on the uphills which I felt would stand to me for Raheny next week more than a session based more strictly on physical improvements give the lack of sleep.

    Hopefully things will settle down this week and I can get back to normal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Best of luck tomorrow, hope it goes well for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    yeah big + 1 to that, hope you're feeling better?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Best of everything to you later. Have a good un.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Monday 4 miles easy (8.09 min pace)

    Tuesday 2.6 miles easy (8.32 min pace)

    Wednesday OFF

    Thursday OFF

    Friday 2.7 miles recovery (10.44 min pace approx)

    Saturday OFF

    Sunday OFF

    Monday 2.8 miles easy (8.41 min pace)

    Tuesday 6.4 miles easy (8.10 min pace)
    I was keeping things handy as lack of sleep and poor nutrition meant I was playing with fire with regards illness or injury.

    Obviously not handy enough :o

    Ended up coming to a head on Tuesday as I ran in and the HR was skyrocketing after not feeling 100% first thing that morning. Things got progressively worse as was dizzy, headaches and throat was red raw. Normally I tend to get sick 1-2 times a year but normally lasts only 2-3 days however this knocked me for 7 and as the week went on it was becoming clearer and clearer that making start line for Raheny was looking less and less likely. Tried a recovery run fully cladded in my heaviest winter gear and though I was not feeling any worse as a result it kinda let me know that Raheny was out, though I wouldn't fully admit it to myself till the morning of the race.

    A bit annoying to miss the first race of the season where I was actually going for time rather than XC that I had been running all winter but its a long year and plenty of other opportunities to PB later in the year.

    Over the worst of it now but plan on keeping it easy for another day or two before testing sessions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Wednesday 9.1 miles easy (7.29 min pace)

    Thursday OFF

    Friday AM 4.1 miles easy (7.37 min pace)
    Friday PM 6.5 miles easy (7.51 min pace)

    Saturday 3x12 min Tempo w/ 3 min rec

    Splits 5.50, 5.49, 5.45

    Sunday 16.4 miles easy (7.43 min pace)

    Had planned on doing session Thursday but I figured best to ease myself back in and not rush things. Wednesday's run was with Quirky and felt good throughout.

    Saturday's session was the litmus test and thankfully seemed to pick up where I left off so was very happy with this, a bit on the windy side but found a decent honest 1 mile loop with a bit of shelter so was happy with how it went.

    Sunday didn't manage to arise in time to meet the club lads so I said I would take a venture up to ticknock and get the lay of the land in terms of distances to Marlay, etc from the new place for sessions and that (turns out to be ideal warm up/cooldown distance). Was definitely working up ticknock but the legs didn't feel to bad though I was starving by the end of the run (which was weird given I did 18 on empty 2 weeks ago and actually had brekkie for this one)

    All in all a solid return week to build from.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Monday 5 miles easy (8.05 min pace)

    Tuesday 3 x (4x600 w/ 1 min rec) 400jog between sets

    Splits:
    (2.06, 2.07, 2.04, 2.05)
    (2.03, 2.02, 2.04, 2.02)
    (2.03, 2.03, 2.01, 1.58)

    Wednesday AM 3 miles easy (8.02 min pace)
    Wednesday PM 4 miles progressive (7.04 min pace)

    Thursday AM 10k tempo

    Splits: 38.13 - 6.09 average
    (6.11, 6.05, 6.11, 6.10, 6.13, 6.10, 1.13)

    Friday 4.6 miles easy (8.01 min pace)

    Saturday OFF

    Sunday AM 2.7 miles easy (approx 7.30 pace)
    Sunday PM 6.3 miles easy (7.39 min pace)

    Bit of a box ticking week to be honest. Not the worst but a bit lack lustred all the same.

    Tuesday's session was horrible, Icy wind, sleet and rain coupled with the fact I was feeling sluggish made this one pretty miserable. Focused on effort over time and even though the splits were very slow the effort was definitely there. Happy enough just to get this one done.

    Thursday was the opposite perfect weather, effort very controlled and just felt good with this one. Had came across a decent little 2 mile loop by the house on strava the night before. Hit planned paces without killing myself and felt like I could have continued forever.

    Weekend was away from Friday afternoon till Sunday so as such 3rd session and long run didn't happen but all things considered not the worst week for a bad one do need to kick on and get momentum behind training though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Monday AM 3.5 miles easy (7.53 mile pace)
    Monday PM 7x1200m @ 10k w/ 2 min rec

    Splits: 4.07, 4.04, 4.05, 4.06, 4.05, 4.04, 4.09

    Tuesday 4 miles easy (8.17 mile pace)

    Wednesday AM 5 miles (7.47 min pace)
    Wednesday PM 6.2 miles (8.06 min pace) + 8x100m strides

    Thursday 4.1 miles (7.49 min pace)

    Friday AM 4 miles easy (7.52 min pace)
    Friday PM 5 miles steady (6.29 min pace) + 6x60 m max sprints

    Saturday 4 miles easy, 8 mile tempo, 2 miles easy

    Splits: 5.53 average (5.46, 5.53, 5.59, 5.49, 5.56, 6.02, 5.47, 5.52)

    Sunday 6 miles easy (8.18 min pace)

    Another week down.

    Monday nights session wa one I was not looking forward to as I was tired and I just didn't feel like I had a decent session in the legs especially at 11 at night after a full shift of work to the point where I even down graded the paces on the garmin workout as I felt I would struggle to hit normal paces.

    There is a decent well lit mile loop by the new house so decided to do them there. Got going on the first one and found I didn't feel to bad, from that one on then I was really getting into my strided helped by a gentle downhill at the start of the reps but 3 in and I was feeling great, hitting the splits and really able to tap into extra gear. Finished the session alot happier than I was going out.


    Thursday night didn't get out for a session so had to change things up on Friday I was stuck for time and wanted to get someone moderate in after missing the session but knew I was doing another session the next morning so just a loop around UCD. Aim was about 6.45 but was feeling really good and controlled and ended up running good bit quicker but at right effort levels so I took it. Followed this up with a few sprints, been a bit neglectful of turnover work so wanted to try and make sure I am getting back into the habit of this.

    Saturday had company in the park so I jumped at the chance and decided would just slot in behind the marathoners and let their strength drag me along, first mile was a bit hot but rather than scale it back I went with it and decided to make this a proper tempo. Good honest loop for this one as reflected in the mile split differences but all in all a very good session, was working hard but still had a good few more miles in me come the end.

    Just a handy one Sunday with one of the lads from work to flush out the legs.


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