Ireland u20 2016 6Nations/Junior World Cup

irishbucsfan

PTH2009 wrote: »

Georgia are hosting next year, think the tournament has been in Argentina in the past too. Surly we have better rugby playing facilities than those countries

We have hosted it. It was in Belfast a few years ago.

Tarf1234

Thought we were excellent and brilliantly controlled yet again.

For me outside of the obvious 5 (Johston, Stockdale, Ryan, Porter and Deegan) Kerins has been the standout. His speed to the breakdown and tempo is fantastic. I think he could be the first of this team to get some regular pro game time.

Very happy to say McPhilips proved me wrong yesterday. Thought he was excellent.

Will be interested to see how some of these guys go next year. Really can't see anyone other then Kerins and Stockdale getting any pro game time. I reckon Deegan, Ryan and Porter are behind too much class and Johston will have to get himself fit before he gets a chance and has 3 OH's ahead of him.

wp_rathead

Betts deserve a mention aswell, really impressed considering he would have been 3rd choice TH if O'Donnell and Kenny were fit..
O'Connor too, with Gallagher and Claffey out he stepped up
Two good young players for Munster to be excited about

connachta

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Thought we were excellent and brilliantly controlled yet again.

For me outside of the obvious 5 (Johston, Stockdale, Ryan, Porter and Deegan) Kerins has been the standout. His speed to the breakdown and tempo is fantastic. I think he could be the first of this team to get some regular pro game time.

Very happy to say McPhilips proved me wrong yesterday. Thought he was excellent.

Will be interested to see how some of these guys go next year. Really can't see anyone other then Kerins and Stockdale getting any pro game time. I reckon Deegan, Ryan and Porter are behind too much class and Johston will have to get himself fit before he gets a chance and has 3 OH's ahead of him.

Kerrins could be 4th choice with Ian Porter leaving. Which is ok for a young 20 y.o boy. But Cooney/Marmion/Blade are quality players and far from retirement, I fear any of the other 3 provinces (or all) come sniffing around. That's the only area where Connacht is really better filled with than any other Irish team TBH

Tarf1234

connachta wrote: »

Kerrins could be 4th choice with Ian Porter leaving. Which is ok for a young 20 y.o boy. But Cooney/Marmion/Blade are quality players and far from retirement, I fear any of the other 3 provinces (or all) come sniffing around. That's the only area where Connacht is really better filled with than any other Irish team TBH

You'd have to think Marmion will be gone for all the international stuff now. If one of Cooney/Blade are injured, he's right in the mix. Plus with HCup this year too there will likely be a bit more rotation which will help his case.

Tarf1234

wp_rathead wrote: »

Betts deserve a mention aswell, really impressed considering he would have been 3rd choice TH if O'Donnell and Kenny were fit..
O'Connor too, with Gallagher and Claffey out he stepped up
Two good young players for Munster to be excited about

Ye, agreed. He's been fantastic. With Munsters TH issues could find himself getting some exposure in the next few years. Thought O'Connor was good but Gallagher and Claffey are definitely a step up.

kingofthekong

Really impressed with the lads coming off the bench not giving any slack to the argentinians and continuing scrum dominance, albeit the argentinians looked a bit disinterested by that stage.

England looked very good against S.A, all i hope for is that all the lads leave it all on the pitch and have no regrets come the final whistle on Saturday, theyve far exceeded my expectations and done themselves proud win or lose come sat. Go bash some poms boys

phog

The London Branch of the MRSC ran buses from London to Cardiff during the RWC, they're running one to Manchester for the U20s final on Saturday.

On the back of member requests and the successful RWC 2015 buses, the MRSC London Branch are making it easier for all Irish fans to add their support to the history making Ireland U-20 side for their World Rugby U20 Championship Final against hosts England in Manchester this Saturday by running a day return bus service to the game from London (subject to minimum numbers booking*).

Please note there are no train options back to London after the game.

The proposed bus details are as follows:

13.30 - Leave Central London, Temple Place (rear entrance to Walkabout Temple, Temple Station, Temple Pl, London WC2R 2PH)

13.55 - Collection point in North (West) London (Crown Hotel, Cricklewood Broadway, our North London Red Experience Venue)

En Route: Short (15minute) stop at one of the Motorway Service Stations

17.30 - Expected arrival to AJ Bell Stadium

19.00 - Match kick off

20.50 - Match approximate finish

21.40 - Departure from stadium back to London

The bus price is £40Stg return, £30 one way adult, with children half price and can be booked via the following link:

Purchase Bus Tickets

Any questions, please email mrsclondon@munsterrugby.ie

*NB : if we do not reach the minimum required numbers, a full refund will be provided.

*Match Tickets: Currently on public sale via Ticketmaster. The London Branch have requested details from World Rugby on making a group booking and will advise all those who book the bus how they can book a match ticket directly with them.

Redpill

I see max deegan was nominated for player of the tournament.

swiwi_

No Porter for POTT?

Props always get overlooked.

connachta

Is O'Donnell available for the final?

D14Rugby

Interesting David Aspil not included in Leinster academy for next year despite being very solid in this tournament and having a decent season with Marys, a case of too many back rows maybe? Could be an option for Connacht?

Also that Porter lad's huge. A friend that knew him in school just told me he benches 350kg very impressive stuff.

FACECUTTR

D14Rugby wrote: »

Interesting David Aspil not included in Leinster academy for next year despite being very solid in this tournament and having a decent season with Marys, a case of too many back rows maybe? Could be an option for Connacht?

Also that Porter lad's huge. A friend that knew him in school just told me he benches 350kg very impressive stuff.

He is the new world record holder so as the last record was 327.5 kgs.

D14Rugby

FACECUTTR wrote: »

He is the new world record holder so as the last record was 327.5 kgs.

maybe 250 then? still very impressive, 2 props pretty much

FACECUTTR

D14Rugby wrote: »

maybe 250 then? still very impressive, 2 props pretty much

250 is hugely impressive. He looks absolutely huge and not finished growing yet. Imagine with a couple more years what he will be capably of !

Neil3030

Luke Fitz said on the recent Sky Panel that he squats 350, which I'm pretty sure would put him in the elite level of powerlifting.

kingofthekong

D14Rugby wrote: »

FACECUTTR wrote: »

He is the new world record holder so as the last record was 327.5 kgs.

maybe 250 then? still very impressive, 2 props pretty much

250 kilos are you out of your mind?? ahahaha, he wouldnt be close to 250kgs. I know the guy aswell and he certainly doesnt hahaha.

kingofthekong

Neil3030 wrote: »

Luke Fitz said on the recent Sky Panel that he squats 350, which I'm pretty sure would put him in the elite level of powerlifting.

He said that as an obvious exaggeration.....lol

bilston

D14Rugby wrote: »

Interesting David Aspil not included in Leinster academy for next year despite being very solid in this tournament and having a decent season with Marys, a case of too many back rows maybe? Could be an option for Connacht?

Also that Porter lad's huge. A friend that knew him in school just told me he benches 350kg very impressive stuff.

Aspil would be a good option for Ulster as well.

kingofthekong

bilston wrote: »

D14Rugby wrote: »

Interesting David Aspil not included in Leinster academy for next year despite being very solid in this tournament and having a decent season with Marys, a case of too many back rows maybe? Could be an option for Connacht?

Also that Porter lad's huge. A friend that knew him in school just told me he benches 350kg very impressive stuff.

Aspil would be a good option for Ulster as well.

Really like Aspil as a player always gets stuck in and takes no **** haha

errlloyd

There is a quote in the examiner where Porter claims he's hit 280.

LostArt

Neil3030 wrote: »

Luke Fitz said on the recent Sky Panel that he squats 350, which I'm pretty sure would put him in the elite level of powerlifting.

I'd be shocked if he could unrack the bar without exploding.

Nift

LostArt wrote: »

I'd be shocked if he could unrack the bar without exploding.

Didn't Luke Fitz say this about porter?

kingofthekong

errlloyd wrote: »

There is a quote in the examiner where Porter claims he's hit 280.

280kg on a squat wouldnt suprise me, but 250kgs on a bench press is the biggest pile of horse sh*t i've ever heard.

Buer

It's his squat. It was an interview in the Examiner.

kingofthekong

Buer wrote: »

It's his squat. It was an interview in the Examiner.

Thats entirely possible, but someone originally quoted a 350kg benchpress maybe they were taking the p*ss

d-gal

Peter Robb has the strongest bench in Irish rugby at the moment - just over 200kg which is mental. There would be a very small amount of players going above 150kg so you can put that into perspective. Not a chance in hell is Porter benching anywhere near that.

I'd be dubious over a 280kg squat as well. Maybe on a high box squat but not on a standard squat. That's high level powerlifter Irish standard. Again to put it into perspective the most I've seen a rugby player do is 240kg, you'll rarely find someone going above the 200kg mark. Rugby players simply don't have the time or recovery to increase their weights to that a high a standard. Especially when at international level

Edit: Andrew Sheridan (former England prop) was known to be the strongest rugby player in the world with a 225kg bench and 275kg squat. I'd be surprised if a young Irish prop is outdoing him!

kingofthekong

d-gal wrote: »

Peter Robb has the strongest bench in Irish rugby at the moment - just over 200kg which is mental. There would be a very small amount of players going above 150kg so you can put that into perspective. Not a chance in hell is Porter benching anywhere near that.

I'd be dubious over a 280kg squat as well. Maybe on a high box squat but not on a standard squat. That's high level powerlifter Irish standard. Again to put it into perspective the most I've seen a rugby player do is 240kg, you'll rarely find someone going above the 200kg mark. Rugby players simply don't have the time or recovery to increase their weights to that a high a standard. Especially when at international level

Edit: Andrew Sheridan (former England prop) was known to be the strongest rugby player in the world with a 225kg bench and 275kg squat. I'd be surprised if a young Irish prop is outdoing him!

Yep I've seen Robb smash a 190kg bench press with ease so I'm not surprised if he's over 200 now.
In terms of Porters squat, yes its highly likely he he squats in the upper two hundreds but it would certainly be a wide stance powerlifting squat or even a box squat with questionable depth, it doesn't really matter what he squats in the gym it matters how he can use it on the pitch and he uses his strength extremely well. I've known many a strong gym lifter rugby player that cant translate it on the pitch, Porter isn't one of those guys so whatever he's doing he should keep doing lol

Anybody know where that thread about the U20s Rugby World Cup is gone?

D14Rugby

kingofthekong wrote: »

Thats entirely possible, but someone originally quoted a 350kg benchpress maybe they were taking the p*ss

I was going off what a guy i know that was a year or two bellow him in school was saying but maybe he got squat and bench mixed up and then exaggerated a bit

Buer

Deleted User wrote: »

Anybody know where that thread about the U20s Rugby World Cup is gone?

It's over there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

*flexes*

ClanofLams

England unchanged.

Only 7 starters from XV Ireland beat in 6N

ClanofLams

Strange that Irish team still unannounced. Late fitness test for someone perhaps

Number 137

Teams for the final:

1 Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 16/1/96- 6'0- 118kg
1 Lewis Boyce (Yorkshire Carnegie) 30/7/96- 6'1- 100kg

2 Adam McBurney (Ulster/Ballymena) 5/9/96- 6'1- 100kg
2 Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors) 14/5/96- 6'0- 111kg

3 Ben Betts (Munster/Young Munster) 28/8/96- 6'0- 109kg
3 Billy Walker (Saracens) 27/9/96- 6'2- 116kg

4 Sean O'Connor (Munster/Cashel) 22/8/96- 6'5- 106kg
4 Stanley South (Harlequins) 24/7/96- 6'6- 113kg

5 James Ryan (Leinster/Lansdowne) 24/7/96- 6'7- 109kg
5 Huw Taylor (Worcester Warriors) 5/6/96- 6'5- 103kg

6 Greg Jones (Leinster/UCD) 13/1/96- 6'5- 108kg
6 George Nott (Sale Sharks) 21/6/96- 6'6- 102kg

7 David Aspil (Leinster/St. Mary's College) 14/7/96- 6'1- 98kg
7 William Evans (Leicester Tigers) 28/1/97- 6'0- 91kg

8 Max Deegan (Leinster/Lansdowne) 1/10/96- 6'4- 108kg
8 Callum Chick (Newcastle Falcons) 25/11/96- 6'4- 105kg

9 Stephen Kerins (Connacht/Sligo) 1/5/96- 5'7- 74kg
9 Max Green (Yorkshire Carnegie) 13/2/96- 5'11- 81kg

10 Johnny McPhillips (Ulster/Queens) 13/3/97- 5'11- 89kg
10 Harry Mallinder (Northampton Saints) 13/6/96- 6'5- 108kg

11 Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) 18/6/96- 6'1- 90kg
11 Matthew Gallagher (Saracens) 26/10/96- 6'1- 89kg

12 Conor O'Brien (Leinster/Clontarf) 6/2/96- 6'3- 97kg
12 John Williams (London Irish) 18/10/96- 6'3- 93kg

13 Shane Daly (Munster/Cork Constitution) 19/12/96- 6'3- 92kg
13 Joseph Marchant (Harlequins) 16/7/96- 6'0- 89kg

14 Matthew Byrne (Leinster/Terenure College) 15/3/96- 6'0- 89kg
14 Sam Aspland-Robinson (Harlequins) 3/1/97- 6'2- 93kg

15 Jacob Stockdale (Ulster/Belfast Harlequins) 3/4/96- 6'3- 101kg
15 Max Malins (Saracens) 7/1/97- 5'11- 84kg

16 Vincent O'Brien (Munster/Cork Constitution) 12/1/96- 6'0- 104 kg (Hooker)
16 Charlie Piper (Harlequins) 18/2/96- 5'11- 100kg (Hooker)

17 James Bollard (Leinster/Trinity) 2/5/96- 5'11- 109kg (Prop)
17 Tom West (Wasps) 11/2/96- 6'1- 103kg (Prop)

18 Adam Coyle (Leinster/Naas) 14/5/96- 5'11- 118kg (Prop)
18 Will Stuart (Wasps) 12/7/96- 6'3- 124kg (Prop)

19 Evan Mintern (Munster/Cork Constitution) 16/1/96- 6'4- 118kg (Lock)
19 Andrew Kitchener (Worcester Warriors) 15/7/96- 6'8- 108kg (Lock)

20 Kelvin Brown (Munster/Shannon) 10/5/96- 6'1- 104kg (Back Row)
20 Jack Willis (Wasps) 24/12/96- 6'3- 107kg (Flanker)

21 Niall Saunders (Harlequins) 21/12/97- 6'0- 88kg (Scrum Half)
21 Harry Randall (Gloucester) 18/12/97- 5'7- 70kg (Scrum Half

22 Brett Connon (Newcastle Falcons) 29/8/96- 5'11- 91kg (Fly Half/Full Back)
22 Max Wright (Yorkshire Carnegie) 24/5/97- 5'11- 94kg (Centre)

23 Jimmy O'Brien (Leinster/UCD) 27/11/96- 6'0- 90kg (Centre)
23 Oliver Thorley (Gloucester) 11/9/96- 6'1- 94kg (Centre)

Is that real? England have a second row starting at Out Half?

pickarooney

Those are some seriously heavy backs we have
Are they nearly at full adult size already?

Buer

Deleted User wrote: »

Is that real? England have a second row starting at Out Half?

Yup, he's a big b*stard. Had a very decent first season with Saints but unsurprisingly played the bulk of his rugby at 12.

pickarooney

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is that real? England have a second row starting at Out Half?

Mallinder is a kicking centre/OH. Similar size to Peter Robb.

Tarf1234

So much for us being miles behind physically...

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

So much for us being miles behind physically...

Well we have been in years gone by, but weve managed to unearth some freaks like Porter,Ryan and Deegan this year

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

So much for us being miles behind physically...

Well we have been in years gone by, but weve managed to unearth some freaks like Porter,Ryan and Deegan this year

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

So much for us being miles behind physically...

Well we have been in years gone by, but weve managed to unearth some freaks like Porter,Ryan and Deegan this year

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

So much for us being miles behind physically...

Well we have been in years gone by, but weve managed to unearth some freaks like Porter,Ryan and Deegan this year

kingofthekong

Apologies my computer has a lag and keeps reposting my posts multiple times

Tarf1234

kingofthekong wrote: »

Apologies my computer has a lag and keeps reposting my posts multiple times

I was just thinking you were very aggressive. In fairness there are another of huge lumps not there. Kenny, O'Donnell and Sam Arnold jump to mind straight away. That's hardly a complete fluke.

kingofthekong

Tarf1234 wrote: »

kingofthekong wrote: »

Apologies my computer has a lag and keeps reposting my posts multiple times

I was just thinking you were very aggressive. In fairness there are another of huge lumps not there. Kenny, O'Donnell and Sam Arnold jump to mind straight away. That's hardly a complete fluke.

haha, well Arnold did come through the English system with Harlequins but I get your point. We always tend to have a few physical players but rarely a full pack that could compete up front with the likes of an English u20s

NiallBoo

Can someone explain to me why England are such favourites for this?

Having beaten NZ and the 6N champions to get to the final and England earlier on in the year you'd think it should be Ireland, no?

The reasoning for England being favourites seems to be "they're scary and they're England"

pickarooney

NiallBoo wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why England are such favourites for this?

Having beaten NZ and the 6N champions to get to the final and England earlier on in the year you'd think it should be Ireland, no?

The reasoning for England being favourites seems to be "they're scary and they're England"

This is their fourth final in a row I think, with two wins in three years.

NiallBoo

pickarooney wrote: »

This is their fourth final in a row I think, with two wins in three years.

That hardly makes sense for u-20's though where the teams are so different year-on-year.

You'd think that the most reliable info to judge on is current year results?

Don't get me wrong, England do look like a strong side - the strong expectation for them to win in most media and even the strong betting odds seems a bit unfounded though.

matthew8

Well they are the home side and were very good in the semi final.