Ireland u20 2016 6Nations/Junior World Cup

wp_rathead

holy sh!t what a tackle!! looks like he held it up

French player celebrated early and then got mauled trying to get the ball down!

wp_rathead

This James Ryan seems the real deal gotta say

dublinman1990

That was eventually unlucky for Ireland though with the French getting a penalty try.

Oh....Ireland now just scored a try by James Ryan. Classy work there.

wp_rathead

that was coming but thought he had done enough to hold them off until HT

wp_rathead

that was coming but thought e had done enough to hold them off until HT

wp_rathead

that was coming but thought we had done enough to hold them off until HT

specttator

Tough having to listen to such a s**te commentary

The Pheasant2

Some poor enough defence here. Gaps left all over the shop

Dave_The_Sheep

That's it. We apparently have to start fights now to try win the game. Good lads on the commentary team.

ThisRegard

specttator wrote: »

Tough having to listen to such a s**te commentary

Dunno what's worse, the put you to sleep commentary, or that ****er in the ground with the poxy squeaky horn thing.

jdbarry

Who's the co-commentater lads?

Buer

jdbarry wrote:

Who's the co-commentater lads?

Mike Prendergast

ArmchairQB

jdbarry wrote: »

Who's the co-commentater lads?

Mike Prendergast ex Munster now coaching at Grenoble
Think this is 5th loss in a row for Carolan and co.

Blackclaret

Thought Ryan played well last week but he's everywhere tonight, what a superb young player.

funtime93

Blackclaret wrote: »

Thought Ryan played well last week but he's everywhere tonight, what a superb young player.

By far the best Ireland player in the first two matches. Some of the basic skills were shocking. Lineout, handling errors, kicks out on the full, missed touch from penalties. Just poor overall. Not really impressed by carolan over the last year and a bit .

gmurphy70

Our front row is shocking in both of the games so far. Hooker is shocking

rughug

gmurphy70 wrote: »

Our front row is shocking in both of the games so far. Hooker is shocking

And surely there are better outhalves than Mc Phillips out there .

The Lost Sheep

gmurphy70 wrote: »

Our front row is shocking in both of the games so far. Hooker is shocking

Wouldn't say shocking. They've simply been over powered. Who are alternatives?

rughug wrote: »

And surely there are better outhalves than Mc Phillips out there.

Is there? There's plenty whove played a lot of their rugby as 10s in the squad so not as if the coaches don't have plenty of options. Who do you think should be 10?

ArmchairQB

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Wouldn't say shocking. They've simply been over powered. Who are alternatives?

Is there? There's plenty whove played a lot of their rugby as 10s in the squad so not as if the coaches don't have plenty of options. Who do you think should be 10?

Good forwards in the pack that are poorly coached in my opinion, some also look grossly unfit and not prepared for this level. Scrum coaching is huge problem throughout the country. Plenty of lads with certificates but not enough practical experience or competence to make a difference and improve players. Players such as Conor OBrien more suited to centre, not a vintage season but we have had worse teams that performed better

Can I just remind people that these lads aren't out of their teens yet. Some of the criticism on here is really unnecessary. These guys very much still fall into the category of "encourage them first".

Singling someone out as being "shocking" isn't constructive or helpful. I'd imagine given the age profile that there are plenty of them reading on here. I've been in their shoes and no one at that age needs to be told by anyone bar their coach how they played, they know themselves.

ArmchairQB

Deleted User wrote: »

Can I just remind people that these lads aren't out of their teens yet. Some of the criticism on here is really unnecessary. These guys very much still fall into the category of "encourage them first".

Singling someone out as being "shocking" isn't constructive or helpful. I'd imagine given the age profile that there are plenty of them reading on here. I've been in their shoes and no one at that age needs to be told by anyone bar their coach how they played, they know themselves.

Nobody that puts on an Irish shirt is beyond criticism or indeed praise but anybody making it personal is out of order. The only professionals involved are the coaches and they are the ones I direct my criticism towards.

rughug

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Wouldn't say shocking. They've simply been over powered. Who are alternatives?

Is there? There's plenty whove played a lot of their rugby as 10s in the squad so not as if the coaches don't have plenty of options. Who do you think should be 10?

Worth looking at Jimmy O Brien as a 10 but he isn't a place kicker but he is more creative than the current occupant. Also the UCD 10 , captain of Roscrea last year Tim Foley . Very good kicker and can pass off both sides. Can cover 12 and is a big physical presence. They will more than likely go with Connon now v England though as he will be playing on his " home " pitch.
Accept Johnson is injured but think he is possibly over rated.

The Lost Sheep

rughug wrote: »

Worth looking at Jimmy O Brien as a 10 but he isn't a place kicker but he is more creative than the current occupant. Also the UCD 10, captain of Roscrea last year Tim Foley. Very good kicker and can pass off both sides. Can cover 12 and is a big physical presence. They will more than likely go with Connon now v England though as he will be playing on his "home" pitch.
Accept Johnson is injured but think he is possibly over rated.

Tim Foley is only playing 20s with UCD. Most of the competition for 10 are playing higher levels of rugby...
Johnson isn't really overrated. Plenty of others in the squad will be overrated much the same as him.... Johnson showed ability to be thrown into pro pre season game. Not many others have done that....

rughug

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Tim Foley is only playing 20s with UCD. Most of the competition for 10 are playing higher levels of rugby...
Johnson isn't really overrated. Plenty of others in the squad will be overrated much the same as him.... Johnson showed ability to be thrown into pro pre season game. Not many others have done that....

That's probably more of a reflection of where Munster are at , at the moment.

The Lost Sheep

rughug wrote: »

That's probably more of a reflection of where Munster are at, at the moment.

It doesn't really. Johnson had the ability/was seen as capable for playing senior pro rugby which is fairly significant compared to others...

Hard to see us beating England but Scotland/Italy???

bilston

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It doesn't really. Johnson had the ability/was seen as capable for playing senior pro rugby which is fairly significant compared to others...

Hard to see us beating England but Scotland/Italy???

Did Scotland not duff England by 20 odd points?

Buer

James Ryan tackle against France:

http://www.balls.ie/rugby/watch-you-wont-see-a-better-try-saving-tackle-than-ireland-u20-star-james-ryans-amazing-effort/324382

sfbdqc

rughug wrote: »

Worth looking at Jimmy O Brien as a 10 but he isn't a place kicker but he is more creative than the current occupant. Also the UCD 10 , captain of Roscrea last year Tim Foley . Very good kicker and can pass off both sides. Can cover 12 and is a big physical presence. They will more than likely go with Connon now v England though as he will be playing on his " home " pitch.
Accept Johnson is injured but think he is possibly over rated.

Foley didn't even start for Leinster u19.

ArmchairQB

sfbdqc wrote: »

Foley didn't even start for Leinster u19.

He doesn't stand out for UCD 20s never mind Irish 20s decent player but not international standard

sfbdqc

ArmchairQB wrote: »

He doesn't stand out for UCD 20s never mind Irish 20s decent player but not international standard

Yeah he probably won't start for Leinster u20 next season either.

sfbdqc

Hope to see either Connon or O'Brien in the next game at 10.
Seen enough of McPhillips.
Odd that not one of the provinces could develop a decent 10 from this age group.

case885

sfbdqc wrote:

Hope to see either Connon or O'Brien in the next game at 10. Seen enough of McPhillips. Odd that not one of the provinces could develop a decent 10 from this age group.

In fairness to Johnston hes a good talent, unfortunate to get injured.

sfbdqc

case885 wrote: »

In fairness to Johnston hes a good talent, unfortunate to get injured.

he is under-19, so not part of this age group.

jdbarry

sfbdqc wrote:

he is under-19, so not part of this age group.

He's injured

sfbdqc

jdbarry wrote: »

He's injured

I know, doesn't change the fact that none of the provinces have developed a semi decent outhalf from the 1996 age group.

sfbdqc

Team I'd like to see for the next game, assuming all are available:

1. Andrew Porter
2. Adam McBurney
3. Conan O'Donnell
4. Peter Claffey
5. James Ryan
6. Cillian Gallagher
7. Will Connors
8. Max Deegan
9. John Poland
10. Brett Connon
11. Hugo Keenan
12. Jimmy O'Brien
13. Conor O'Brien
14. Shane Daly
15. Jack Power(health?)

RedemptionZ

sfbdqc wrote: »

I know, doesn't change the fact that none of the provinces have developed a semi decent outhalf from the 1996 age group.

Semi-decent is pretty harsh. They're only U20s. It's a pretty specialised position, very few are ever going to be good enough at OH for international level even at U20s.

sfbdqc

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Semi-decent is pretty harsh. They're only U20s. It's a pretty specialised position, very few are ever going to be good enough at OH for international level even at U20s.

semi decent at this level aka academy worthy.

3 outhalves last season at that level - Ross Byrne, Joey Carbery & Tomas Quinlan.

1 outhalf from the 1996 age group will likely make the academy - Andrew MaGrath(Ulster) who didn't even come close to playing for Ireland u20.

rughug

sfbdqc wrote: »

Yeah he probably won't start for Leinster u20 next season either.

Who will.

sfbdqc

rughug wrote: »

Who will.

Ciaran Frawley or Conor Dean, both of who are still in school.

Buer

sfbdqc wrote: »

Conor Dean

Any relation to Paul?

RedemptionZ

sfbdqc wrote: »

semi decent at this level aka academy worthy.

3 outhalves last season at that level - Ross Byrne, Joey Carbery & Tomas Quinlan.

1 outhalf from the 1996 age group will likely make the academy - Andrew MaGrath(Ulster) who didn't even come close to playing for Ireland u20.

I'm not disputing the lack of talent compared to last year, I'm saying that it's unrealistic to expect us to have a conveyor belt popping out international level outhalves for u20s.

I took semi-decent to be a bit lower than that so fair enough, that definition sounds about right. McPhillips has been poor.

sfbdqc

Buer wrote: »

Any relation to Paul?

Son.

sfbdqc

RedemptionZ wrote: »

I'm not disputing the lack of talent compared to last year, I'm saying that it's unrealistic to expect us to have a conveyor belt popping out international level outhalves for u20s.

I took semi-decent to be a bit lower than that so fair enough, that definition sounds about right. McPhillips has been poor.

It's a lack of talent to almost every year this decade.. the provinces have failed to develop an outhalf of decent quality for the under-20's this season.

Worst year since James McKinney was outhalf.

rughug

sfbdqc wrote: »

It's a lack of talent to almost every year this decade.. the provinces have failed to develop an outhalf of decent quality for the under-20's this season.

Worst year since James McKinney was outhalf.

Is Paul Kiernan injured. No sign of him even though he captained the winning Munster u20 team in the interprovincial's. Serious athlete as a centre.

RedemptionZ

sfbdqc wrote: »

It's a lack of talent to almost every year this decade.. the provinces have failed to develop an outhalf of decent quality for the under-20's this season.

Worst year since James McKinney was outhalf.

Key word being almost. In Leinster Ross Byrne and Cathal Marsh have come through. Noel Reid was an out half at underage level too. How many countries consistently have several international class outhalves at their disposal? It's such a specialised position, I think unearthing a good one every few years is very reasonable.

sfbdqc

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Key word being almost. In Leinster Ross Byrne and Cathal Marsh have come through. Noel Reid was an out half at underage level too. How many countries consistently have several international class outhalves at their disposal? It's such a specialised position, I think unearthing a good one every few years is very reasonable.

Again as I've said previously, it's a poor showing that not one of the provinces could develop a outhalf from the 1996 age group who has a chance of being a decent level professional outhalf.

I'm not expecting a top tier outhalf to be produced by the provinces in every age group, but it's a poor showing from the provinces that they are relying on two exiles at the moment.

Look at this group when they were at u19 level, the outhalves were Jimmy O'Brien, who is now a 12 and Andrew MaGrath who isn't involved with Ireland u20 despite being in the Ulster academy.

sfbdqc

rughug wrote: »

Is Paul Kiernan injured. No sign of him even though he captained the winning Munster u20 team in the interprovincial's. Serious athlete as a centre.

Better rugby player than athlete for me. Is a loss, one would assume he is injured.

Number 137

I attended the Welsh game. Didn't see the French game, but certainly in the Welsh game, basic errors crucified Ireland. If they could cut down on these errors, is it possible there are the makings of a good team here?