Lumia 950 / 950XL? [Stock info/Stores/Networks etc]

wrt40

Griffinx wrote: »

Has anyone got the 950Prepay in any of the Meteor stores? Can't find it in stock anywhere and its not online with them either.

You can buy it direct from Microsoft or retail outlets such as clove.co.uk or amazon etc. There is no advantage to buying it from a mobile operator, in fact they are likely to restrict it in some way especially when it comes to software updates.

Griffinx

wrt40 wrote: »

You can buy it direct from Microsoft or retail outlets such as clove.co.uk or amazon etc. There is no advantage to buying it from a mobile operator, in fact they are likely to restrict it in some way especially when it comes to software updates.

The advantage is price...You cant beat Meteor on this one €469

wrt40

Griffinx wrote: »

The advantage is price...You cant beat Meteor on this one €469

Well that's an incentive alright Where do you see it for sale for €469?

Griffinx

wrt40 wrote: »

Well that's an incentive alright Where do you see it for sale for €469?

Its in the Meteor Christmas catalog also priced in store at €469 even though they didn't have them in stock.

circadian

Anyone get theirs from three yet?

Rsaeire

Does anyone happen to know the price of the 950 in CPW on Meteor Billpay upgrade on the Super 4G plan? CPW don't have it on their site and Customer Support can't tell as a result. Plus, the stores aren't picking up...!

jimmynokia

Rsaeire wrote: »

Does anyone happen to know the price of the 950 in CPW on Meteor Billpay upgrade on the Super 4G plan? CPW don't have it on their site and Customer Support can't tell as a result. Plus, the stores aren't picking up...!

Same price as meteor have it

Rsaeire

jimmynokia wrote: »

Same price as meteor have it

Cheers!

I think I'll go in after work and get it so. I really wanted the 950 XL but since Meteor don't/won't stock it, I guess the 950 will do. Coming from the 1020, I'm looking forward to using an overall faster device that also doesn't take an age to take a picture.

jimmynokia

Rsaeire wrote: »

Cheers!

I think I'll go in after work and get it so. I really wanted the 950 XL but since Meteor don't/won't stock it, I guess the 950 will do. Coming from the 1020, I'm looking forward to using an overall faster device that also doesn't take an age to take a picture.

There is still a small delay taking pictures to be honest but nothing like the 1020

MJohnston

jimmynokia wrote: »

There is still a small delay taking pictures to be honest but nothing like the 1020

There's absolutely no delay from shot-to-shot for me on the 950XL, like literally zero. It does all the processing in the background, and so it's just lightning fast.

I would estimate about 1 second between having the phone fully locked, pressing the camera button the first time, and then being able to press it the second time to take a photo.

This is with RAW photos enabled too. Easily the fastest Windows phone I've had for taking photos. 950 can't be much different.

Rsaeire

I ended up getting the 950 in black from Meteor as CPW had no stock. I haven't opened it up yet but when I do, I'll no doubt end up taking a load of pics to test out the camera; just like I did 2 years ago when I got my 1020 I love new phones, especially when they're FREE*.


*I know it's not really FREE as I'm tied to a contract and will end up paying Meteor back some of the cost of the handset etc, but you get the sentiment all the same.

Davy

Rsaeire wrote: »

I ended up getting the 950 in black from Meteor as CPW had no stock. I haven't opened it up yet but when I do, I'll no doubt end up taking a load of pics to test out the camera; just like I did 2 years ago when I got my 1020 I love new phones, especially when they're FREE*.


*I know it's not really FREE as I'm tied to a contract and will end up paying Meteor back some of the cost of the handset etc, but you get the sentiment all the same.

Hope you enjoy it!

MJohnston wrote: »

There's absolutely no delay from shot-to-shot for me on the 950XL, like literally zero. It does all the processing in the background, and so it's just lightning fast.

I would estimate about 1 second between having the phone fully locked, pressing the camera button the first time, and then being able to press it the second time to take a photo.

This is with RAW photos enabled too. Easily the fastest Windows phone I've had for taking photos. 950 can't be much different.

Are you saving too internal or external memory?
Have you tried taking 4 or 5 in quick succession? Thats when I notice it happening but I have it saving to the card

MJohnston

Yeah looks like there's a 2 second delay after taking 5 in a row, which is odd, but maybe that's the limits of the background processing. This is to internal memory.

liamog

The display dock is back in stock if anybody is looking to claim one!

Sir Oxman

950 got latest update as Insiders have, without Windows Insider, 10.0.10586.29 same as desktop WinX.
There's an update for Outlook after OS update - finally linked inboxes in Outlook
I'll post a brief hands on review in next few days as I'll have been using the phone for over a week by then.
So far, so good once I got over the underwhelming feeling when I unboxed the 950...

MJohnston

Sir Oxman wrote: »

950 got latest update as Insiders have, without Windows Insider, 10.0.10586.29 same as desktop WinX.
There's an update for Outlook after OS update - finally linked inboxes in Outlook
I'll post a brief hands on review in next few days as I'll have been using the phone for over a week by then.
So far, so good once I got over the underwhelming feeling when I unboxed the 950...

I still haven't gotten that update, even though I'm on the fast ring of Insider builds

circadian

Anything from three yet? Still no phones for me

MickH503

MJohnston wrote: »

I still haven't gotten that update, even though I'm on the fast ring of Insider builds

Apparently Microsoft are aware of some 950s not getting the updates and are investigating. I had same issue and did a hard reset this morning and got the .29 update straight away after that.

theothernt

MickH503 wrote: »

Apparently Microsoft are aware of some 950s not getting the updates and are investigating. I had same issue and did a hard reset this morning and got the .29 update straight away after that.

They are aware of it, and I'd expect an update in a day or so.

In the meantime, one possible solution (which I haven't tested myself) is to use the Windows Device Recovery Tool to restore your phone to the latest version... http://www.microsoft.com/en-ie/mobile/support/faq/?action=singleTopic&topic=FA142987#

Sir Oxman

Well what do you know, I can use Continuum on my Amazon FireTV stick!

Tazzimus

I'm off tomorrow and heading into town to get the last of my chrimbo presents. There's loads of Vodafone shops around. I'm due an upgrade..................

Griffinx

Picked up my 950 from Meteor yesterday and I'm liking it so far..initial thoughts are windows 10 is a great improvement, lot of new settings and options. Some apps don't work eg MetroMail which I used a lot. Some of my existing USB chargers haven't got enough power to charge my 950. Here maps and Drive are gone, don't know how good the replacement Navigation app is.

ShadowHearth

I see meter got it now amd it is very reasonable priced.
99eu on with 40eu per month. Iam really really tempted to get it. I am due update since November of 2014... And I am not going with android again as no point. Same os and only physical changes from my experia z.

No snapchat on it weirdly enough. Wtf with that?

liamog

Ok so I've been using the 950xl for a couple of days alone and feels it's a good time to give a verdict.

I was using a 1520 then a 640 in the past months all already running Windows 10 so I was pretty much used to the os and it's missing apps. Saying that, there are no apps I particularly miss now that Ulster Bank released.

The screen is a little smaller than the 1520, but I've dropped the display scaling so I actually get more content on the screen. The clarity on the display is amazing, I'm really glad to be back to a OLED screen as I love how the black's look.

Windows Hello is a great feature and I've gotten very used to unlocking the phone just by staring at the winky face, it feels very futuristic and even works in complete darkness.

I've not really dug into the camera l, but it should be at least as good as the 1520, though the few pic I've taken have been much faster.

The device feels thinner in the hand than the other Lumia's. The plastic back does not feel as cheap as the old plastic on the Samsung galaxies, the charging is really quick, looking at about an hour for a full charge.

I would recommend anybody that picks up the 950 or XL in the next couple of days do a hard reset before setting up the phone fully. There is a known issue with installing the .29 build which improves battery performance. I expect MS to gave this fixed however in the next few days.

If your on an annual upgrade cycle then I would recommend this over the 1520, if you are on a two year cycle and are currently on a 1520/930 then I'd probably wait till next Autumn for the rumored Panos Panay Surface phone.

I'll add feedback on Continuum after my dock arrives.

Tazzimus

Went in, Vodafone wanted 370 for an upgrade... 370.. And I'm not on a low tariff plan either. That's ridiculous.

liamog

How long did you have 1520 for?

Tazzimus

Bout a year and a half or that. I#d expect that price for an upgrade after 3 months or something but not after a year and a half on the red super extra tariff.

circadian

While they generally have decent coverage, their pricing is stuck in 2009.

liamog

I'm guessing you weren't trading in?

silvelu88

Tazzimus wrote: »

Bout a year and a half or that. I#d expect that price for an upgrade after 3 months or something but not after a year and a half on the red super extra tariff.

I had my 1520 since April 2014 and upgraded it few days ago to 950 for 99.99. Did you go to the store or checked it online? You better do the latter, I would assume the store rep is misinformed.

Edit. I also kept the 1520, so the trade would be free I believe.

Tazzimus

silvelu88 wrote: »

I had my 1520 since April 2014 and upgraded it few days ago to 950 for 99.99. Did you go to the store or checked it online? You better do the latter, I would assume the store rep is misinformed.

Edit. I also kept the 1520, so the trade would be free I believe.

Went in to the store while I was in town yesterday/ Online just says go instore or ring 1907, not the most helpful of services.

Yeh trading the 1520 in would make it free but I'd like to keep that.

silvelu88

Tazzimus wrote: »

silvelu88 wrote: »

I had my 1520 since April 2014 and upgraded it few days ago to 950 for 99.99. Did you go to the store or checked it online? You better do the latter, I would assume the store rep is misinformed.

Edit. I also kept the 1520, so the trade would be free I believe.

Went in to the store while I was in town yesterday/ Online just says go instore or ring 1907, not the most helpful of services.

Yeh trading the 1520 in would make it free but I'd like to keep that.

I did the upgrade online with no issues, maybe you could have a chat with VF in this regard.

Tazzimus

Thinking I'll chat to them here cos I went into a different store today and the fella told me they haven't had any 950 XL's in stock for a few months now...

circadian

Tazzimus wrote: »

Thinking I'll chat to them here cos I went into a different store today and the fella told me they haven't had any 950 XL's in stock for a few months now...

Fantastic product awareness.

jimmynokia

There's no push at all for Lumia phones. Even the PR team is useless.

wrt40

Anyone here with a 950\XL and an xbox one? Can you tell me how the xbox one app works with continuum? In theory you should be able to connect to your home network via vpn and play your xbox on the move. Fantastic if it works even at low stream quality ☺But I wouldn't be surprised if there's a catch in there somewhere

senordingdong

jimmynokia wrote: »

There's no push at all for Lumia phones. Even the PR team is useless.

Truly sickening. We could be forgiven for thinking that TPTB want it dead.
Especially with the push for all these other manufacturers to carry W10.

MJohnston

The thing is the 950 and the 950XL are purely enthusiast devices, were presented as such in the press conferences, were promoted as such in the build up to release, and are still referred to as such by people like Panay even now. They're devices built to appeal to people who have stuck with WP through thick and thin (and imo they certainly do that). They're also intended to keep the hardware lineup ticking over until the first real Microsoft designed and built phone arrives in 10-12 months, the Panay/Surface phone. At that point, if the x86 talk is true, Windows mobile really will just be Windows 10 with no real ifs or buts, and maybe then the idea of widely promoting Windows on phones may be realistic. The truth is though that W10 Mobile does, in itself, change nothing about the core WP issue of the app gap, so you cant just expecting MS to keep piping money into a lost cause (promoting it) when they should instead be thinking of those game changing devices ahead.

MJohnston

Btw I say all that as a massive fan of the Lumia 950XL, who fully intends to buy whatever next years flagship might be. But use Continuum and tell me that's not the future of Windows - a future that needs x86 hardware to really, really shine.

wrt40

MJohnston wrote: »

The thing is the 950 and the 950XL are purely enthusiast devices, were presented as such in the press conferences, were promoted as such in the build up to release, and are still referred to as such by people like Panay even now. They're devices built to appeal to people who have stuck with WP through thick and thin (and imo they certainly do that). They're also intended to keep the hardware lineup ticking over until the first real Microsoft designed and built phone arrives in 10-12 months, the Panay/Surface phone. At that point, if the x86 talk is true, Windows mobile really will just be Windows 10 with no real ifs or buts, and maybe then the idea of widely promoting Windows on phones may be realistic. The truth is though that W10 Mobile does, in itself, change nothing about the core WP issue of the app gap, so you cant just expecting MS to keep piping money into a lost cause (promoting it) when they should instead be thinking of those game changing devices ahead.

I honestly cant see the surface phone supporting desktop programs. They have already structured windows 10 for OEMs, windows 10 is free for devices under 8" and can only run windows store apps. They're not going to do a u-turn on that. The best you're going to get is remote desktop and vpn, which you already have with the 950.

I think the aim of the surface phone will be in the quality of build. It is going to be a surface after all. Along with what will be by then a quality, stable OS.

MJohnston

wrt40 wrote: »

I honestly cant see the surface phone supporting desktop programs. They have already structured windows 10 for OEMs, windows 10 is free for devices under 8" and can only run windows store apps. They're not going to do a u-turn on that. The best you're going to get is remote desktop and vpn, which you already have with the 950.

I think the aim of the surface phone will be in the quality of build. It is going to be a surface after all. Along with what will be by then a quality, stable OS.

The bit in bold I don't believe is true, but we don't have any sub 8" tablets to test that theory with iirc! But it doesnt matter imo, they'll make sure the "Surface" phone supports X86 apps, but probably only when you're in Continuum mode, possibly only with those apps that are listed in the store (which is open to all apps now remember, not just ARM compiled ones

theothernt

MJohnston wrote: »

The bit in bold I don't believe is true, but we don't have any sub 8" tablets to test that theory with iirc! But it doesnt matter imo, they'll make sure the "Surface" phone supports X86 apps, but probably only when you're in Continuum mode, possibly only with those apps that are listed in the store (which is open to all apps now remember, not just ARM compiled ones

I think there's a little confusion about how the store works and what it supports.

From Windows 8 onwards, the Windows Store supports ARM, x86 and x64. But x64 and x86 doesn't mean legacy apps, it technically means Intel/AMD support for Modern Apps. A package type for legacy desktop apps doesn't exist yet. Microsoft have talked about Project Centennial but we have no release date yet.

wrt40

MJohnston wrote: »

The bit in bold I don't believe is true

The bit in bold is a fact, a quick Google and you'll see.

What is not a fact is that the Surface phone will use mobile intel chips or that they will allow desktop apps. We'll have to wait and see but I don't think Microsoft will allow a surface phone to be used as a guinea pig for what is a relatively new and unproven mobile intel chipset. For a surface phone it HAS to have the best and at the moment and the foreseeable future that is Snapdragon.

liamog

wrt40 wrote: »

The bit in bold is a fact, a quick Google and you'll see.

What is not a fact is that the Surface phone will use mobile intel chips or that they will allow desktop apps. We'll have to wait and see but I don't think Microsoft will allow a surface phone to be used as a guinea pig for what is a relatively new and unproven mobile intel chipset. For a surface phone it HAS to have the best and at the moment and the foreseeable future that is Snapdragon.

I'm pretty sure the whole point of the surface line is to redefine a sector. Allowing legacy x86 applications to rub on continuum is a game changer and that's exactly what the surface team is after.

You appear to have MS confused with Apple when it cones to risk in devices look at the use Qi, the OiS tech, heatpipe for the 950xl. Surface is an even bigger list.

wrt40

liamog wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the whole point of the surface line is to redefine a sector. Allowing legacy x86 applications to rub on continuum is a game changer and that's exactly what the surface team is after.

You appear to have MS confused with Apple when it cones to risk in devices look at the use Qi, the OiS tech, heatpipe for the 950xl. Surface is an even bigger list.

Legacy apps on a phone is not a game changer. All it does is pander to an ever decreasing group of MS enthusiasts. And when it involves adopting an inferior chipset I wouldn't exactly call that taking risks. I'd just call it a dumb move and I have all the confidence in Panos Panay to come up with something better.

They need more market share, meaning they need to convert iPhone and Android users. that means convincing them to change their ecosystem AND buy all their favourite apps again or in most cases do without them completely. I don't claim to have the answer but I've no doubt whatsoever legacy apps that can only run when you plug it into a monitor is not the answer.

Having a high quality, top of the range, spec'ed to the max luxury Surface branded phone is enough to convert a lot of them. Lets face it, there are many, many iPhone and Android users that don't use or don't care about apps, it's all about status.

MJohnston

wrt40 wrote: »

Having a high quality, top of the range, spec'ed to the max luxury Surface branded phone is enough to convert a lot of them. Lets face it, there are many, many iPhone and Android users that don't use or don't care about apps, it's all about status.

It is absolutely not. It didn't happen with the Lumia 900, the Lumia 1020, the Lumia 930, the Lumia 1520, and it won't happen with the 950 or 950XL.

Go read some of the most recent interviews with Panay and others at Microsoft, you can see that they've "moved past" mobile, in the sense that they know they can't win with Windows Phone, or simply Windows on phones. They have talked endlessly about looking beyond phones and seeing what comes after. HoloLens is one branch, and Continuum is another. They know they need a real big gamechanger to move the conversation past "there aren't enough apps" to something else, and full-blown Windows x86 apps via Continuum on a phone could be one of those. There could be many others too, but unfortunately I don't believe premium quality devices can change the game at all anymore.

wrt40

MJohnston wrote: »

It is absolutely not. It didn't happen with the Lumia 900, the Lumia 1020, the Lumia 930, the Lumia 1520, and it won't happen with the 950 or 950XL.

None of these devices are of the calibre of android or iphone. Nokia or microsoft have yet to produce a phone of "flagship" quality that people are used to. Panay has distanced himself from the 950. Even at its launch it was very down played and he was at pains to point out it was still a nokia team product and nothing to do with him.

Yes I get that they are trying to change the playing field rather than continue to fight a losing battle. But i don't care what features the phone has, if its not of premium build quality it wont matter. By that I mean every aspect including the chipset and intel is not there yet.

Sir Oxman

MJohnston wrote: »

The bit in bold I don't believe is true, but we don't have any sub 8" tablets to test that theory with iirc! But it doesnt matter imo, they'll make sure the "Surface" phone supports X86 apps, but probably only when you're in Continuum mode, possibly only with those apps that are listed in the store (which is open to all apps now remember, not just ARM compiled ones

I have a HP stream 7 which definitely runs desktop app (upgraded from Windows 8.1) but I do believe all new devices under 8" won't allow desktop apps.

circadian

Has anyone got one of these from their network provider yet? It seems like Three are taking orders but either don't have the stock or just aren't shipping. I know a few people who have ordered from them and haven't got anything.

MJohnston

wrt40 wrote: »

Even at its launch it was very down played and he was at pains to point out it was still a nokia team product and nothing to do with him.

Ah, but you'll note just how much time in that Lumia launch was basically all about Continuum. That's the key thing.