Doll exhumed from grave

tayto lover

Anyone know if there was a clergyman involved in the funeral?
Surely if there was they would have to see the body.

Flibbles

Having buried a premature baby, I can clear up a few misconceptions here.

Usually an undertaker isn't there for anything before the burial, the coffin/placement/preparation is done in the hospital. Birth/Death certs are done at a later date, so they would not be used as proof of a child in there.

From that point it would be quite easy to convince an undertaker and have the whole thing in place for the burial. You bring the coffin with you, as it's small there's no big setup required to place the coffin in the grave.


While it might be thought of as odd that the hospital isn't involved, since they normally put this all together for you, it wouldn't be hard to pull this story off.

Antar Bolaeisk

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Apparently...they didn't

Especially in Donegal, neighbours are just too nosy around there

Very , very strange case. I wonder if it was an attempt to save face or something more nefarious.

Justice4Adolf

Anyone know if there was a clergyman involved in the funeral?
Surely if there was they would have to see the body.

DEFTLEFTHAND

What's the story with the plot ownership I wonder?

bisounours

I'm sorry for your loss, Flibbles.

I admit when I first came across this story Munchausen by proxy same to mind. The couple doesn't seem to have publicised their loss though so perhaps not. Perhaps the couple wanted a child so much they feel to have loved and lost is better than not have had at all - the mind distorts reality when emotions run strong.

Mam of 4

donegaLroad wrote: »

what about the department of Births, Deaths and Marriages?

Surely there must have been a certificate of birth, a certificate of death, and a coroners report?

I don't know if procedures have changed now but here's my experience re Birth Certs, Death Certs.

Twenty three years ago, I was five and a half months pregnant. In a car crash, baby died from the impact . Ten days later I delivered my beautiful little baby.

Could not get a birth cert as baby wasn't alive when born , nor a death cert as baby hadn't taken a breath to live , only thing we could get was a Baptismal cert, from the midwife,who blessed the baby.

We were asked if we wanted to bury our baby ourselves yes we did, no undertakers,just went to them,bought a tiny coffin, that was the end of the undertakers role , in our experience anyway.

I just find it sad that this is what this couple this couple felt they had to do , to cope with their loss, I'm assuming anyway.

xzanti

Flibbles wrote: »

Having buried a premature baby, I can clear up a few misconceptions here.

Mam of 4 wrote: »

Twenty three years ago, I was five and a half months pregnant. In a car crash, baby died from the impact . Ten days later I delivered my beautiful little baby.
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Sorry for your loss ladies

It is a tragic story, whatever the explanation.

Mam of 4

xzanti wrote: »

Sorry for your loss ladies

It is a tragic story, whatever the explanation.

Thank you, and I agree it is a tragic story , hope they get whatever help they may need , for whatever reason .

Spanish Eyes

So sorry for all those who have lost their babies. I cannot imagine that, it must be so awful.

This case seems to be connected to something like that. If so, your heart would only go out to them.

Probably the only way they had to remember their child.

Samaris

This is another one of those stories that I just don't think is news, and is only really going around the internet because of the need for 24-hour news cycle. Better they be left grieve in peace and get the help they need.

Stheno

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Probably the only way they had to remember their child.

I'm confused here the article says they admitted they never had a baby so they'd nothing to grieve for?

hatrickpatrick

I think there's clearly something more to this story than we're being told about - if it was just a case of them never having had a kid and pretending to have had one, then why would the Gardaí have dug up the grave? Faking a funeral isn't a crime, eccentric though it might be.

conorh91

Gardai wouldn't go mining in graveyards unless there were serious allegations being made.

The idea that they undertake exhumations on account of the local member of the community alleging the non-existence of a child is not an obvious cause for such a drastic intervention.

I think it's to perfectly reasonable to suppose there is a suspicion of a serious crime having been commissioned. That does not refer to administrative transgressions, like failing to register a birth.

Spanish Eyes

Stheno wrote: »

I'm confused here the article says they admitted they never had a baby so they'd nothing to grieve for?

The mother may not have actually been able to give birth to the child, maybe it was a miscarriage. Maybe they could not have children. Maybe one of them lost a sibling, who knows?

Sad case. We mustn't speculate too much, there is obviously some tragic story connected with it. Grief can be terrible. I hope the couple get the help they need.

PandaPoo

I'm really confused, apologies.

Did they lose a child or infant and bury a doll? Just bury a doll and a child never existed?

Flibbles

xzanti wrote: »

Sorry for your loss ladies

It is a tragic story, whatever the explanation.

I'm the dad, just to clear that up. 4 years ago in December, unrelated to Mam of 4.

Spanish Eyes

Flibbles wrote: »

I'm the dad, just to clear that up. 4 years ago in December, unrelated to Mam of 4.

4 years..... That loss will last forever. My sympathies. Can only imagine.

John_Rambo

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I think there's clearly something more to this story than we're being told about - if it was just a case of them never having had a kid and pretending to have had one, then why would the Gardaí have dug up the grave? Faking a funeral isn't a crime, eccentric though it might be.

I'm guessing some sort of attention seeking disorder that obviously needs addressing and hopefully is being addressed right now. It could well have stemmed from something tragic that happened in the past where grief/pain wasn't acknowledged, this may have triggered the actions of the people involved.

Whatever happened it obliviously came to light that there might not have been a child death and the grave had to be examined to ensure there wasn't a corpse.

The exhumation had to happen.

Edit -

Mam of 4 wrote: »

I'm assuming anyway.

Thanks for sharing, I can't imagine what you went through. You're compassion is touching. I'll drive carefully.

petrolcan

iguana wrote: »

http://www.comparethecoffin.com/content/buy-coffin-online

I clicked on that assuming it would be a (excuse the pun) dead link. My flabber is gasted.

Flibbles

Mam of 4 wrote: »

I don't know if procedures have changed now but here's my experience re Birth Certs, Death Certs.

Twenty three years ago, I was five and a half months pregnant. In a car crash, baby died from the impact . Ten days later I delivered my beautiful little baby.

Could not get a birth cert as baby wasn't alive when born , nor a death cert as baby hadn't taken a breath to live , only thing we could get was a Baptismal cert, from the midwife,who blessed the baby.

We were asked if we wanted to bury our baby ourselves yes we did, no undertakers,just went to them,bought a tiny coffin, that was the end of the undertakers role , in our experience anyway.

I just find it sad that this is what this couple this couple felt they had to do , to cope with their loss, I'm assuming anyway.

I forgot to add to this, the rule 4 years ago (possibly still the same now) was 24 weeks and up is considered developed enough for a birth/death certificate , even in cases of stillbirth.

Riskymove

Justice4Adolf wrote: »

Anyone know if there was a clergyman involved in the funeral?
Surely if there was they would have to see the body.

why?

Coffin usually arrives closed to church

This story is so deeply troubling, so very upsetting.

The world going nuts over a dentist and a big cat.

Your heart would have to go out to them. It's one of those ones I can't get out of my head, God love them.

kylith

John_Rambo wrote: »

Whatever happened it obliviously came to light that there might not have been a child death and the grave had to be examined to ensure there wasn't a corpse.

The exhumation had to happen.

Or since there was a burial but no birth registered I guess they'd have to exhume to see if there really was an infant and how it died.

The Corinthian

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Bizarre?

It's none of these things, it's just a sad incident.

It's not bizarre for you? Tell us about your childhood.

The Backwards Man

The Corinthian wrote: »

It's not bizarre for you? Tell us about your childhood.

Believe me, you don't want me to tell that story.

UpCork

Whatever the circumstances it is a really sad situation.

Just goes to show you can never know what in going on in a person's head psychologically.