Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2017

OldMrBrennan83

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Mr.Nice Guy

thelad95 wrote: »

Wales winning wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Six points from Georgia and Moldova and the inevitable draw at home to Serbia would have us on 19 points, meaning a likely shootout in Cardiff on the last day to see who tops the group.

Serbia would be in the mix as well. They have Georgia and Moldova at home, and are away to ourselves and Austria.

We could find ourselves in a shootout with Wales - but over the playoff spot.

Mantis Toboggan

For all his running around Harry Arter is an extremely limited footballer, was an awful performance.

noodler

Hoping for an equaliser.

Could see Wales winning every game they've left.

The Talking Bread

Tyson Fury wrote: »

For all his running around Harry Arter is an extremely limited footballer, was an awful performance.

He is a very good footballer, as most who have seen him will testify but he was awful today, and if you want to bring someone out for Wes, it should be him over Whelan.

Hendrick doesn't seem to know where he is meant to be half the time either.

Murphy was very impressive, relatively speaking, after coming on and maybe, just maybe, we should start looking at 4-4-2 again.

TheCitizen

If Wales win, MON has got out of jail today, but we really should be a further two points ahead of everyone else. It's not a difficult Group to win in comparison to other Groups we've been in in recent campaigns. We have the players to top this Group. Get on and do it. Today was disappointing.

tayto lover

Tyson Fury wrote: »

For all his running around Harry Arter is an extremely limited footballer, was an awful performance.

There were a lot like that today in fairness.
One of the worst Irish performances I can remember in the first half.
Lads hammering short passes to a teammate, failing to control the ball and misjudging headers all over the place.

Godot.

I am sick to the back teeth of Glenn Whelan starting so much. It has been proven time and time again over the years we play much better when he is not on the field. Can't wait until he retires.

tayto lover

1 all in Serbia. Blow the final whistle ref.

Lord Trollington

A draw in Wales/Serbia game is by and far the best outcome. It will be as you were before the round of games and We'll have gotten out of Jail.

We do not want to have to go to Cardiff with Wales having something to play for and us needed a result because we simply won't get one.

D.Q

Godot. wrote: »

I am sick to the back teeth of Glenn Whelan starting so much. It has been proven time and time again over the years we play much better when he is not on the field. Can't wait until he retires.

It will be a wonderful day for Irish football.

Mantis Toboggan

tayto lover wrote: »

There were a lot like that today in fairness.
One of the worst Irish performances I can remember in the first half.
Lads hammering short passes to a teammate, failing to control the ball and misjudging headers all over the place.

Hard to understand how they were so poor, ward at left back was awful aswell. We just don't seem to have the ability to string 2 or 3 forward passes together.

RoryMac

I thought Arter & Whelan were good in patches but went missing too often and didn't do enough to get on the ball. Hendrick I thought was awful and didn't seem to get into the game until the last 20 mins. I thought Brady was poor too, some sloppy passes and again not showing for the ball enough.

I'm a big fan of MON and the job he has done with us but he got it wrong today, Wes should've started and even after that he should've been quick to change things around.

tayto lover

Anyone know the ruling if two teams finish level on points at the top? Is it head to head or GD?

alta stare

tayto lover wrote: »

Anyone know the ruling if two teams finish level on points at the top? Is it head to head or GD?

Goal difference.

Johner

Get in! Great result for us.

TheCitizen

Ireland should win the Group from this position. And despite the frustration of today's result, under MON I'm confident we'll top the Group.

The Talking Bread

Lord Trollington wrote: »

A draw in Wales/Serbia game is by and far the best outcome. It will be as you were before the round of games and We'll have gotten out of Jail.

We do not want to have to go to Cardiff with Wales having something to play for and us needed a result because we simply won't get one.

Why?? Wales have been extremely average this campaign. Who says they can just turn it on when they need to. We have shown in the past in games against Germany, Bosnia, Italy and Austria, Serbia and even today that we can dig out a result when under pressure.

I am not extremely intimidated by that Cardiff trip

alta stare

I was following the game on the BBC sports app and they seem to think its a great point for Wales. Were we that happy with our point out there or were we the usual giving out?

OldMrBrennan83

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tayto lover

Now if we could just get our injured players back and be at full strength for the remainder of games in Sept and Oct we could well win the group. We would also seriously have to step up on today's performance.

caviardreams

alta stare wrote: »

I was following the game on the BBC sports app and they seem to think its a great point for Wales. Were we that happy with our point out there or were we the usual giving out?

From memory, we were 1-0 only to go 2-1 down, and were then lucky to get a late equaliser. On paper a draw was a great result, but the way the game went we could have easily taken the three points had we not given away two goals in quick succession.

tayto lover

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Why?? Wales have been extremely average this campaign. Who says they can just turn it on when they need to. We have shown in the past in games against Germany, Bosnia, Italy and Austria, Serbia and even today that we can dig out a result when under pressure.

I am not extremely intimidated by that Cardiff trip

I'd also prefer to be looking for a result at home against Serbia than away against Wales.

alta stare

Patww79 wrote: »

If I remember right the performance that night was absolutely atrocious and the draw was massively lucky. I think that's what most of the complaints were about.

The usual so

ebbsy

Our performance was very poor today, but strangely enough we haven't come out of it too bad overall.

noodler

No real problem with Whelan today.

Could see what he was doing.

No idea where Hendrick was, absolutely ineffective in every sense. Could do with being dropped.

spock.

We should top the group if we can get 6 points from the double header of Geoergia away and Serbia home.
Definitely achievable but we'll probably get two draws.

AllGunsBlazing

noodler wrote: »

Looking at her and looking at his girlfriend.

Confused.

Beer goggles innit. :cool:

Godot.

If we beat Serbia in Dublin and Georgia away we will qualify as H2H is used to split the teams on equal points, do I have that right? So the Wales game won't matter if we take maximum points from those two games.

Edit: I have already presumed Moldova at home is 3 points.

Mantis Toboggan

4 points taken from Austria, certainly would have taken that at the start of the campaign.

The Talking Bread

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd also prefer to be looking for a result at home against Serbia than away against Wales.

Oh, without a doubt, not the point I am making, we are well capable of getting both, you don't have to compensate one for the other, I am just saying that someone saying we won't get a result in Cardiff if we need one is silly mindset.

ebbsy

Our group is currently 8th in the 2nd place teams table.

The 9th 2nd place team will not get a playoff place.

Doctor Jimbob

Tyson Fury wrote: »

4 points taken from Austria, certainly would have taken that at the start of the campaign.

Was saying this to lads earlier. It's disappointing on the night, but 4/6 from Austria is great going.

Lord Trollington

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Oh, without a doubt, not the point I am making, we are well capable of getting both, you don't have to compensate one for the other, I am just saying that someone saying we won't get a result in Cardiff if we need one is silly mindset.

Going to Wales , with Wales needing a win to over take us for a play off spot. No Thanks. I for one certainly do not fancy that.

Cardiff is certainly not an intimating venue nor are Wales as an opposition I would just not fancy going there needing a point. If the shoe was on the other foot and Serbia or Wales were coming to us needed a result I would be licking my lips.

It's what you want from a last game to qualify scenario.

noodler

Godot. wrote: »

If we beat Serbia in Dublin and Georgia away we will qualify as H2H is used to split the teams on equal points, do I have that right? So the Wales game won't matter if we take maximum points from those two games.

Edit: I have already presumed Moldova at home is 3 points.

I believe it's goal difference rather than head to head.

johnnyryan89

Tyson Fury wrote: »

4 points taken from Austria, certainly would have taken that at the start of the campaign.

Me too, but it is disappointing when you beat Austria away from home and then go into the home game playing for a draw and are pure muck for majority of the match. Both teams were poor today which makes the negative tactics from Ireland all the worse.

Brian017

noodler wrote: »

I believe it's goal difference rather than head to head.

So it is. When did they change it back to GD?

Mr.Nice Guy

I've looked ahead and it looks like we will need to produce a big win over Serbia or Wales if we want to ensure we qualify.

As the group stands now:

Serbia - 12 points
Ireland - 12 points
Wales - 8 points
Austria - 8 points.

Possible results for 7th round of fixtures..

Georgia 0-1 Ireland
Serbia 3-0 Moldova
Wales 2-1 Austria

Would leave things:

Serbia - 15 points
Ireland - 15 points
Wales - 11 points
Austria - 8 points

Possible results for 8th round of fixtures...

Austria 2-0 Georgia
Moldova 0-2 Wales
Ireland 1-1 Serbia

Would leave things:

Serbia - 16 points
Ireland - 16 points
Wales - 14 points
Austria - 11 points

Possible results for 9th round of fixtures...

Georgia 1-2 Wales
Austria 1-2 Serbia
Ireland 2-0 Moldova

Would leave things:

Serbia - 19 points
Ireland - 19 points
Wales - 17 points
Austria - 11 points

Possible results for final round of fixtures...

Moldova 1-2 Austria
Serbia 3-0 Georgia
Wales 2-1 Ireland

Would leave things:

Serbia - 22 points
Wales - 20 points
Ireland - 19 points
Austria - 14 points

So even a draw with Serbia could mean we miss out in the final game if we lose to Wales. A draw in Cardiff would likely secure a play-off spot.

If we want to qualify automatically then we will likely have to beat Serbia.

I'd expect Wales to win their next three games before they play us, so if we don't want the last game in Cardiff to be significant then we have to beat Serbia.

Chrissybhoy

You can't say you would take 4/6 from Austria. You have to take each game and everything goes with it injuries suspensions form sackings. They state of the Austrian national team right now we should of winning the game today no excuses approach the game from the start different we win the game

tayto lover

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Me too, but it is disappointing when you beat Austria away from home and then go into the home game playing for a draw and are pure muck for majority of the match. Both teams were poor today which makes the negative tactics from Ireland all the worse.

Can never understand why we only react when a goal down.
Should have been up and at them from the start but that's not O'Neill's way apparently.

Mocha Joe

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Was saying this to lads earlier. It's disappointing on the night, but 4/6 from Austria is great going.

The 4/6 idea is based on getting a draw away from home and winning at home. If you happen to win away from home, you should be bonusing 2 points, not then being happy with a draw at home because the numbers balance.

noodler

Will need to get a few against Moldova for GD.

Beating Serbia will likely be necessary.


Wales could drop points against Austria. Allen will be a loss and Taylor will still be banned as well.

johnnyryan89

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

If we want to qualify automatically then we will likely have to beat Serbia .

Which makes today's performance all the more frustrating. Going by the last two performances against teams below us at home I can't see MON coming out and being adventurous against the team whose top of the group.

Banjaxed82

People constantly seem to miss the very obvious point with Hoolahan.

When you have the ball and you look up to see someone screaming at you to pass it to them, as a team mate, how fantastic must that be? Not someone cowering away, pointing to another player, or telling you to "just fu8king launch it!" How fantastic must it be to have a player by your side who wants to help you out, take control of the situation and has no fear of the ball. And that chain reaction of positivity echoes around all the players who interact with Wes.

Wes doesn't single handedly win games for Ireland. But Wes being present at all on the pitch fundamentally alters how players around him play. I see so many people commenting on his actual performances (good or bad). But it's his influence. It's the psychology that he brings to our play. Wes encourages positive play, and it's infectious to those around him.

D14Rugby

Don't see the point going through all the permutations. We're over half way through nows the point where we can realistically go, just win all our games and we qualify, simple, doesn't matter what anyone else does once we win all our games.

Nalz

Tyson Fury wrote: »

For all his running around Harry Arter is an extremely limited footballer, was an awful performance.

Our worst player today imo

Banjaxed82

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

Wes doesn't single handedly win games for Ireland. But Wes being present at all on the pitch fundamentally alters how players around him play. I see so many people commenting on his actual performances (good or bad). But it's his influence. It's the psychology that he brings to our play. Wes encourages positive play, and it's infectious to those around him.

You could reduce it to simpler terms. You play Hoolahan, you send out the message "we're going for this". You drop him, you send out the message "we want to hang on to this". I know he's not Maradona, but at home, we should be playing him.

tayto lover

Nalz wrote: »

Our worst player today imo

Ward for me. Christie not much better, Mc Clean eager but very limited, Hendricks not at the races. I could go on.

mickmackey1

tayto lover wrote: »

Hendricks not at the races

It's Hendrick, not the bloke who used to play the guitar. This annoys me for some reason.

tayto lover

mickmackey1 wrote: »

It's Hendrick, not the bloke who used to play the guitar. This annoys me for some reason.

He annoyed me today too.