Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2017

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Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Ireland U-21s were held to a goalless draw against Norway. The game should have been won as Reece Grego-Cox missed a real sitter.

Went to this with free admission as a Rovers ST holder. Only knew Curtis from Derry.

Fairly even game if low on goalmouth action. Ireland very 'solid'.

Laois_Man

Rekop dog wrote: »

If Turkey beat Iceland and then drop points in Finland we'd finish ahead. Fairly unlikely you'd think though.

Why is it fairly unlikely? Turkey have won every home game except a 2-2 draw against Ukraine. Iceland have lost every away game except Kosovo. Turkey will be clear favorites to win that game

Finland won their home game against Iceland last month and would be fancied to get at least a draw at home to Turkey on Monday

There's nothing exceptional about those results

The Talking Bread

Laois_Man wrote: »

Why is it fairly unlikely? Turkey have won every home game except a 2-2 draw against Ukraine. Iceland have lost every away game except Kosovo. Turkey will be clear favorites to win that game

Finland won their home game against Iceland last month and would be fancied to get at least a draw at home to Turkey on Monday

There's nothing exceptional about those results

No they wouldn't. Turkey will be deservedly favs for that game. Especially considering the stakes.

brick tamland

IF Wales fail to win later and Scotland lose on Sunday. A draw on Monday Will do us?

yabadabado

The Talking Bread wrote: »

No they wouldn't. Turkey will be deservedly favs for that game. Especially considering the stakes.

Was onky looking at it earlier Turkey are money on with the bookies.

exiledelbows

brick tamland wrote: »

IF Wales fail to win later and Scotland lose on Sunday. A draw on Monday Will do us?

No, Slovakia would be 2nd in Scotland's group and beat us by a point

Cake Man

brick tamland wrote: »

IF Wales fail to win later and Scotland lose on Sunday. A draw on Monday Will do us?

No, we need to win regardless

Banjaxed82

Can't wait until I don't have to see the word 'permutation' for another 2 years.

PhilipsR

The weirdest thing about tonight is that if Wales don't win, our game barely matters (unless you think Serbia will only get a point from their last 2).

keeponhurling

PhilipsR wrote: »

The weirdest thing about tonight is that if Wales don't win, our game barely matters (unless you think Serbia will only get a point from their last 2).

True.
But we want to make sure Wales don't qualify anyways, after how they acted in Dublin. So the 3 points tonight would at least help ensure we finish above them (therefore they cannot qualify) even if doesn't really imapct our own chances

Coillte_Bhoy

Am i correct in saying that tonight's result is irrelevant in terms of getting second place? Head is wrecked looking at permutations etc

The Talking Bread

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Am i correct in saying that tonight's result is irrelevant in terms of getting second place? Head is wrecked looking at permutations etc

of course it is relevant!

We still have to finish in second place before we can consider the "permutations"!

exiledelbows

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Am i correct in saying that tonight's result is irrelevant in terms of getting second place? Head is wrecked looking at permutations etc

No. If we lose and Wales win we can't come second. Get the win, worry about permutations later. They'll get infinitely easier when there's only 1 game left

Coillte_Bhoy

The Talking Bread wrote: »

of course it is relevant!

We still have to finish in second place before we can consider the "permutations"!

But the Moldova games wont count in determining the second placed teams table

irelandrover

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Am i correct in saying that tonight's result is irrelevant in terms of getting second place? Head is wrecked looking at permutations etc

If Wales beat Georgia then We have to beat Moldova. If Wales don't win then our result is irrevelant.

I see this as an advantage. Wales play first. If they dont win then we should be resting players later in the game.

The Talking Bread

keeponhurling wrote: »

True.
But we want to make sure Wales don't qualify anyways, after how they acted in Dublin. So the 3 points tonight would at least help ensure we finish above them (therefore they cannot qualify) even if doesn't really imapct our own chances

Strange way to be looking at things.

If we don't qualify, I couldn't give a rats *rse who takes our place. Also this how "they behaved" stuff. A chap got sent off for an awful awful tackle, I wouldn't hold it against the country

The Talking Bread

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

But the Moldova games wont count in determining the second placed teams table

But points on the actual group table will.

Coillte_Bhoy

The Talking Bread wrote: »

But points on the actual group table will.

Of course i got ya, i need some fresh air

TheCitizen

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Strange way to be looking at things.

If we don't qualify, I couldn't give a rats *rse who takes our place. Also this how "they behaved" stuff. A chap got sent off for an awful awful tackle, I wouldn't hold it against the country

The match in Cardiff will have a grudge match element to it, that will be amongst the players and management teams.

Laois_Man

The Talking Bread wrote: »

No they wouldn't. Turkey will be deservedly favs for that game. Especially considering the stakes.

All I was trying to get across is it's not that improbable (as someone was making out) that the Iceland group could go our way

dr.kenneth noisewater

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

The Talking Bread wrote: »

of course it is relevant!

We still have to finish in second place before we can consider the "permutations"!

But the Moldova games wont count in determining the second placed teams table

unless Moldova beat us and go ahead of Georgia, then the Georgia results wont count! More permutations! ;)

The Talking Bread

Laois_Man wrote: »

All I was trying to get across is it's not that improbable (as someone was making out) that the Iceland group could go our way

I was only quoting your part on the Turkey/Finland game.

irelandrover

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

unless Moldova beat us and go ahead of Georgia, then the Georgia results wont count! More permutations! ;)

Actually, if Georgia draw against Wales, we are better of losing against Moldova and hope they get a win in the last game to go ahead of Georgia.

That way we can get to 15 points in the 2nd place table instead of 13.

tayto lover

keeponhurling wrote: »

True.
But we want to make sure Wales don't qualify anyways, after how they acted in Dublin. So the 3 points tonight would at least help ensure we finish above them (therefore they cannot qualify) even if doesn't really imapct our own chances

I was more annoyed at the way we played actually. MON had us far too defensively minded in a game we should have been gung-ho to win. I can't forgive him for that.

PhilipsR

irelandrover wrote: »

Actually, if Georgia draw against Wales, we are better of losing against Moldova and hope they get a win in the last game to go ahead of Georgia.

That way we can get to 15 points in the 2nd place table instead of 13.

My head hurts.

TheCitizen

tayto lover wrote: »

I was more annoyed at the way we played actually. MON had us far too defensively minded in a game we should have been gung-ho to win. I can't forgive him for that.

Were ya now. I was annoyed that in a game that had plenty of niggle and a physical aspect to it much like a derby game, that one of the Welsh players decided to go off script, lost his head and launched himself at one of our players in a thoroughly unprofessional manner. That and his manager tried to play it down after, saying 'the Irish were just as bad etc.', when they weren't. No Irish player launched themselves wrecklessly and unprofessionally into a challenge like that Welsh player did.

I was annoyed about it, I can only imagine how the players and management team felt about it and there will be no love lost on Monday night.

Obviously the important thing is to win and hopefully make the playoffs but if we don't make it to the play offs, I'm hoping Wales don't make it either.

Rekop dog

irelandrover wrote: »

Actually, if Georgia draw against Wales, we are better of losing against Moldova and hope they get a win in the last game to go ahead of Georgia.

That way we can get to 15 points in the 2nd place table instead of 13.

Ha what? You can't count the 6 points against Moldova if we lose to them lol, it would be only 3, leaving us worse off.

The Talking Bread

irelandrover wrote: »

Actually, if Georgia draw against Wales, we are better of losing against Moldova and hope they get a win in the last game to go ahead of Georgia.

That way we can get to 15 points in the 2nd place table instead of 13.

No we aren't! The most we could have on second place table is 12 in that scenario!

(ie 16 points (if we beat Wales minus the 4 points against Georgia!)

PhilipsR

Right, lets just win both games. Agreed?

Rekop dog

If we can somehow disguise ourselves as Serbian fans, head to Vienna tonight and cause a massive riot. They're already on rocky ground with UEFA after crowd troubles in previous campaigns, another incident and they'll be kicked out of the competition for sure leaving us with a chance to win the group or at worst guaranteed second as Moldova results will count.

Who's in?

Falthyron

Rekop dog wrote: »

If we can somehow disguise ourselves as Serbian fans, head to Vienna tonight and cause a massive riot. They're already on rocky ground with UEFA after crowd troubles in previous campaigns, another incident and they'll be kicked out of the competition for sure leaving us with a chance to win the group or at worst guaranteed second as Moldova results will count.

Who's in?

An idea with a far greater chance of success than beating Wales in Cardiff.

josip

Rekop dog wrote: »

If we can somehow disguise ourselves as Serbian fans, head to Vienna tonight and cause a massive riot. They're already on rocky ground with UEFA after crowd troubles in previous campaigns, another incident and they'll be kicked out of the competition for sure leaving us with a chance to win the group or at worst guaranteed second as Moldova results will count.

Who's in?

Ja sam

castletownman

Feck it lads. No point getting ourselves worked up doing the mathematics. I'm officially boarding the positivity train. CHOO CHOO.

We have a habit of doing it hard for ourselves down the years, and timing our runs down the home-straight. Okay our recent displays don't indicate that history is about to repeat itself, and we've been generally tedious to watch as of late, but I want to believe we can do it again.

Furthermore, I genuinely don't see the following sequence of results being beyond the realms of possibility either.

Tonight:
Georgia 1-0 Wales
Ireland 3-0 Moldova
Austria 2-1 Serbia

Monday:
Moldova 0-1 Austria
Serbia 1-1 Georgia
Wales 0-1 Ireland

Leaving the final standings as:
Serbia 10 +9 19
Ireland 10 +7 19
Austria 10 +2 15
Wales 10 +5 14
Georgia 10 -3 9
Moldova 10 -20 2

Surely to god we'd be sure of a play-off place then?

Georgia on my mind. Advance Austria fair.

COYBIG

PhilipsR

A 5-0 win, Wales win and Austrian win would set up a crazy final day on Monday.

irelandrover

Rekop dog wrote: »

Ha what? You can't count the 6 points against Moldova if we lose to them lol, it would be only 3, leaving us worse off.

you are correct.

If everyone could ignore my musings from earlier is appreciate it

CrowdedHouse

I fear another Georgia-away performance tonight

josip

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

I fear another Georgia-away performance tonight

We have nothing to fear except fear itself.

Rekop dog

Hoping Georgia can take points from Wales here. Wales' task will be neigh on impossible without a win out there, thus making them either out of contention v us come Monday depending on other results or desperate for a big win.

Kirby

Kirby wrote: »

There is zero chances of him walking away from the money on offer. If we get through, he'll sign a new deal.

TheCitizen wrote: »

Zero chance you say?, and you know this for definite, how?

Kirby wrote: »

Because the money is too good. If he is fit to do the job, he will.

TheCitizen wrote: »

If he gets us to the World Cup he's entitled to an extension if he wants it, he'll have fulfilled his remit.

Hasn't gotten us to the World cup.....gets renewed anyway. That was posted a while back but the sentiment remains.

If people think O'Neill would turn down such a cushy job, you are mad. Sure our football association not only accepts failure.....we pay handsomely for it.

No Match thread?

josip

Rekop dog wrote: »

Hoping Georgia can take points from Wales here. Wales' task will be neigh on impossible without a win out there, thus making them either out of contention v us come Monday depending on other results or desperate for a big win.

What happened to your Viennese false flag op?:D

TheQuietBeatle

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

Can't wait until I don't have to see the word 'permutation' for another 2 years.

Hopefully we see it in the Group stage at the World Cup!

theteal

Watching the Welsh game, with Welsh commentary. There are so many "th" sounds that we'd all be screwed for starters!

Dots1982

theteal wrote: »

Watching the Welsh game, with Welsh commentary. There are so many "th" sounds that we'd all be screwed for starters!

Where you watching? S4C is boasting a live stream but never loads.

Mushy

Wales 1 up

theteal

Dots1982 wrote: »

Where you watching? S4C is boasting a live stream but never loads.

S4C HD no less, channel 134 on my freesat Sky box.

Mushy wrote: »

Wales 1 up

Looked a decent finish but the keeper was poor

Rikand

Georgia do play some lovely football.

Nice ball to feet through the centre of the park.

Corholio

O'Dowda starts. Long and Murphy up front. Meyler captain.

Worztron

What's the deal with only showing 6 games played for Wales in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)#Ranking_of_second-placed_teams? What games are counted?

tayto lover

Feck sake Wales 1 up.
They will probably hold on too and not go defensive totally like we did thus allowing Georgia back into it.