Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours 2017

Minderbinder

Bandage wrote: »

Surprised to see Arter feature in some preferred starting lineups. His display in Georgia was one of the most inept individual displays I've ever seen from an Ireland player and he rightly hasn't started a game since.

Randolph;
Christie, Duffy, Clark, Ward;
Meyler;
Hendrick, Brady;
Hoolahan, Murphy, McClean.

Is that Brady in CM? No thanks.

irishman86

Rekop dog wrote: »

If we had a 17 year old who had started games for a top British club I'd be throwing him in the mix too.

But Maguire is 23. Look what lads like Lukaku and Harry Kane had done at that age. Look what Robbie Keane or Duffer had done at 23. The chances of finding untapped potential at 23 is a million times less than at 17.

The amount of people ignoring all this is baffling
No way he should start over Long tonight

johnpatrick81

irishman86 wrote: »

The amount of people ignoring all this is baffling
No way he should start over Long tonight

Bit harsh forcing Shane to play when he's injured :pac:

blinding

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Bit harsh forcing Shane to play when he's injured :pac:

That’d confuse Wales a bit alright .

The Match Fixing Police might even have to warm up .:eek:

pjohnson

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Would be very harsh to drop Ward, he has arguably been the most improved Irish player over the past two years and has performed quite well for us.

Long out is a spanner in the works, don't think he would have even started but he would have been ideal to bring on for the last 30 mins. I think we will set up quite defensively and go for it in the second half with Wes coming off the bench.

Tbf the only reason I say drop Ward is to make space for Brady. Hes best on the left side. Been poor when forced into the center, similar McClean is better on the left than the right. I doubt McClean/Brady will be dropped, so we have three natually good left sided players that get shoehorned into awkward places. Easier to bench Brady but can't see that happening.

johnpatrick81

Brady is very poor defensively though. Much rather see him on the wing in an attacking sense.

pjohnson

Unfortunately O'Dowda appears to be another LEFT sided player. McGeady remains our only natural right sided option.

irishman86

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Bit harsh forcing Shane to play when he's injured :pac:

My bad didnt realise he was injured, even still over Murphy
Right now i'd have him behind Hogan christ even Rooney

blinding

pjohnson wrote: »

Unfortunately O'Dowda appears to be another LEFT sided player. McGeady remains our only natural right sided option.

There was a time there when England couldn't come up with a decent left sided player and your saying we are tripping over them

irishman86

blinding wrote: »

There was a time there when England couldn't come up with a decent left sided player and your saying we are tripping over them

And not a single one would start for England when they needed a left sided player
At a push Brady might have made a couple of squads

Howard the Duck

Long is a loss. I think Wales will be going all out from the start and will be susceptible to counter attacks, this is where Long's speed would have been useful. Murphy is a threat from set pieces and crosses but would have preferred Long to start.

johnnyryan89

pjohnson wrote: »

Unfortunately O'Dowda appears to be another LEFT sided player. McGeady remains our only natural right sided option.

While McGeady is right footed he's wasted on the right as he's more a player who loves to cut inside rather than beat his man and whip in crosses so like nearly all our wide men his best position is on the left.

Of all our wide players the only lad who is most comfortable on the right is possibly Johnny Hayes. O'Dowda seems to play left and right for club, think he's played his last couple of games on the right for Bristol.

yourdeadwright

I forgot about Conor Hourihane , but I think itll be the next campaign when he starts to make an impression ,
Arter has been poor for Ireland but I still see him starting,

callaway92

Nerdlingr wrote: »

randolph
christie-duffy-clark-brady
myler-artur
mcgeady-hoolahan-mcclean
murphy

That’s what we should go with. Good picks.

He won’t start Hoolahan though

keeponhurling

pjohnson wrote: »

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Would be very harsh to drop Ward, he has arguably been the most improved Irish player over the past two years and has performed quite well for us.

Long out is a spanner in the works, don't think he would have even started but he would have been ideal to bring on for the last 30 mins. I think we will set up quite defensively and go for it in the second half with Wes coming off the bench.

Tbf the only reason I say drop Ward is to make space for Brady. Hes best on the left side. Been poor when forced into the center, similar McClean is better on the left than the right. I doubt McClean/Brady will be dropped, so we have three natually good left sided players that get shoehorned into awkward places. Easier to bench Brady but can't see that happening.

I'd even question if Brady offers more than Ward going forward. Didn't Ward put in that cross for Murphy in the last game. Ward himself used to be a winger, if i recall right, plus of course he;'s better than Brady defensively.
Anyways, I think MON will definitely start with Ward anyways. So Brady is likely to be at midfield.

tayto lover

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I never get this logic. Why can't he just do it the other way around, take him off after 60 or something.

I know. That's the way MON seems to work. I can see him doing it again tonight.

pjohnson

keeponhurling wrote: »

I'd even question if Brady offers more than Ward going forward. Didn't Ward put in that cross for Murphy in the last game. Ward himself used to be a winger, if i recall right, plus of course he;'s better than Brady defensively.
Anyways, I think MON will definitely start with Ward anyways. So Brady is likely to be at midfield.

Ward in his Bohs days was a striker I think he converted to a LW during his time in England before sliding back into the defence. I do really like him but Brady midfield is awful. The Welsh could have 4 men in the middle so we cant afford a midfield passenger.

PhilipsR

O'Neill seems to love the 4-4-2 with an insanely tight diamond. Due to this, I think the team will probably be the following:

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Randolph

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Christie

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Duffy

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Clark

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Ward

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Meyler

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Hendrick

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Arter/O'Dowda

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Brady

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Murphy

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McClean

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I don't think he'd ever in a million years start one of Maguire or Hogan so up step McClean up front. The only question is Arter or O'Dowda in midfield for me. Be amazed if the other ten don't start.

yourdeadwright

Ward was at one stage a striker, even for the under 21's, then a left winger and then a left full, he has really improved and is a great pro who knows his own limitations, He will start tonight no doubt
Brady will play for his set plays, even though they have been pretty poor lately bar the freekick v Leeds which was a belter,
It's up top where we will struggle, we need to unsettle the Wales backline and Murphy won't do that,

Idbatterim

brady delivery has been shocking over the past few matches... I used to be a big critic of ward like many here, but I will say he has improved a hell of a lot over the past year or two...

Bandage

Minderbinder wrote: »

Bandage wrote: »

Surprised to see Arter feature in some preferred starting lineups. His display in Georgia was one of the most inept individual displays I've ever seen from an Ireland player and he rightly hasn't started a game since.

Randolph;
Christie, Duffy, Clark, Ward;
Meyler;
Hendrick, Brady;
Hoolahan, Murphy, McClean.

Is that Brady in CM? No thanks.

Brady has had some excellent games for Ireland on the left side of a central midfield three with a holder behind him, especially in the Euros.

kfrp

Going by past away tactics I'm predicting the below with our hopes resting on set pieces for the most.

I'd say the 4 5 1 with Meyler, Brady, McClean, Hendrick, O Douda

McClean playing off Murphy in attacking midfield role.

Meyler in the Whelan role, Hendrick on the right, O Douda left.

Brady in center mid.

Hoolahan to come on for the last half hour

justshane

Darren R
Christie Duffy Clarke Ward
Meyler
O'Dowda Hendrick Brady
McLean
Murphy

This would be my team, with the possibility of O'Dowda, Brady and McClean switching at times throughout the game to mix it up.

If we're drawing at 60 I'd sub whichever two is offering the least and bring on Wes and Seanie. People are rightly pointing out his lack of goals for Preston but he has played well in an unfamiliar position. He is a natural goal scorer in my opinion and if we are to get one chance I'd love it to fall to him.

keeponhurling

It probably also favours Brady and McClean starting that they didn't play on Friday night, so are fresher and can hopefully go full pelt for the full 90. We'll need our 3 subs elsewhere, 
I guess Wales will be a similar first 11 to the one that played in Georgia, and were put udner pressure right into injury time at the end.

tayto lover

Wales get a lot of their goals attacking down their right side.
We need to be at it from the off and I don';t really like Brady or Ward defending our left. They are good going forward but weak defending imo.

8-10

I know we all hate the tactics but I really think that we need to have a strong defensive set up tonight.

Wales have not conceded more than 1 goal in a home game since the last World Cup qualifying campaign in 2013. And they've played some decent sides in that time.

That means if we're going to get the win we need, 1-0 is the most likely way of doing that. If we concede we don't have a hope.

We need to stop them playing their game, go in hard from the first whistle, and get them nervous by showing them that they can't break them down. We don't have a slick attack or quick counter, but we need to be direct in going forward and looking to trouble them with every deep set piece, corner, and Christie throw in going on top of the keeper.

Not pretty, but I don't care how we play if we get the win at the end. We're up against it but if we play it right we have a chance. COYBIG

TheCitizen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

COYBIG

Today is about getting behind the team and hopefully what would be a terrific result.

Welcome aboard amigo

TheCitizen

MON is exactly the right manager to have in your corner for a game like the one tonight. I think we will get the better of Wales. It's just a matter of finding that bit of composure to take the opportunities that come our way and bury Wales.

MojoRisinnnn

TheCitizen wrote: »

MON is exactly the right manager to have in your corner for a game like the one tonight. I think we will get the better of Wales. It's just a matter of finding that bit of composure to take the opportunities that come our way and bury Wales.

#

Very good point. I'm listening to Sadlier on Second Captains and he's talking about exactly that and how we need to perform a balancing act between getting stuck into them yet staying composed and how some players struggle to do so.

yourdeadwright

TheCitizen wrote: »

MON is exactly the right manager to have in your corner for a game like the one tonight.  I think we will get the better of Wales. It's just a matter of finding that bit of composure to take the opportunities that come our way and bury Wales.

We may win but I think MON is useless 90% of the time we look like a bunch of lads that have never meet each other before and have no game plan but that's a story for another day just get the win tonight any way possible

johnnyryan89

U21s kicking off just now against Israel, same starting 11 named from the previous game against Norway.

Hopefully it's a good start to todays games with a win for the 21s before the seniors do the business.

johnnyryan89

U21s 1-0 after 30 second, Reece Grego Cox with the goal.

TheCitizen

yourdeadwright wrote: »

We may win but I think MON is useless 90% of the time we look like a bunch of lads that have never meet each other before and have no game plan but that's a story for another day just get the win tonight any way possible

If we win tonight which you think we 'may' do that will be us into a play off for the second tournament running. I don't know how that tallies with your assessment that he's useless 90% of the time?, and I can't understand how you got a 'thanks' for such an idiotic comment.

irishman86

MojoRisinnnn wrote: »

#

Very good point. I'm listening to Sadlier on Second Captains and he's talking about exactly that and how we need to perform a balancing act between getting stuck into them yet staying composed and how some players struggle to do so.

Describing McClean to a T there

josip

TheCitizen wrote: »

MON is exactly the right manager to have in your corner for a game like the one tonight. I think we will get the better of Wales. It's just a matter of finding that bit of composure to take the opportunities that come our way and bury Wales.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

We may win but I think MON is useless 90% of the time we look like a bunch of lads that have never meet each other before and have no game plan but that's a story for another day just get the win tonight any way possible

Maybe all the lads for/against MON could agree to let tonight's result decide this long running debate?

Rekop dog

Huh, didn't know our u21's were top of their group, that's encouraging.

Aside from Rice who's meant to be the prospects in that side?

TheCitizen

josip wrote: »

Maybe all the lads for/against MON could agree to let tonight's result decide this long running debate?

The lads against MON will never change. There's a poster on this thread a few pages back that said even if we win and then get through the play offs and get to Russia that it wouldn't be worth it cos of the style we play. This is despite the fact that when we did qualify last time for the Euros we performed well in most games when we got there. There's no legislating for that level of stupidity.

MON will be judged on his results, those lads against him no matter what he does are irrelevant.

Rekop dog

If we lose tonight these threads will be a no go area for me for a few months. Couldn't handle the inevitable drivel.

irishman86

TheCitizen wrote: »

The lads against MON will never change. There's a poster on this thread a few pages back that said even if we win and then get through the play offs and get to Russia that it wouldn't be worth it cos of the style we play. This is despite the fact that when we did qualify last time for the Euros we performed well in most games when we got there. There's no legislating for that level of stupidity.

MON will be judged on his results, those lads against him no matter what he does are irrelevant.

This isnt true
Lots of people are against MON but want Ireland to succeed
He should not have been given a new contract before the end of qualifying
He got us to the Euros as its been extended, its not the achievement you are making it to be
I want MON gone as he is a dinosaur but i will cheer on Ireland in every game

TheCitizen

Rekop dog wrote: »

If we lose tonight these threads will be a no go area for me for a few months. Couldn't handle the inevitable drivel.

If we win half of that lot won't be seen, and the other half will clamber back on to the bandwagon.

Idbatterim

Describing McClean to a T there

the last game against serbia was ridiculous, at least the last 10-15 where we were desperate for a goal. no composure, going for the miracle hero goal from miles away from the goal...

I cant recall what he was like before desperation stage, but during it, it was stupid stuff...

TheCitizen

irishman86 wrote: »

This isnt true
Lots of people are against MON but want Ireland to succeed
He should not have been given a new contract before the end of qualifying
He got us to the Euros as its been extended, its not the achievement you are making it to be
I want MON gone as he is a dinosaur but i will cheer on Ireland in every game

It is true, do you want me to find the relevant quote from the poster I was referring to?


If we win tonight and qualify via the play offs, will you still want him gone "'cos he's a dinosaur"?

irishman86

TheCitizen wrote: »

If we win tonight and qualify via the play offs, will you still want him gone "'cos he's a dinosaur"?

Yes after the world cup
Ireland will never grow while hes in charge
Will you want him to stay if we lose if so well you are a blind sheep as third in a group which you lead is pathetic

irishman86

Idbatterim wrote: »

the last game against serbia was ridiculous, at least the last 10-15 where we were desperate for a goal. no composure, going for the miracle hero goal from miles away from the goal...

I cant recall what he was like before desperation stage, but during it, it was stupid stuff...

Hes the same whether were hunting a goal or not
He always wants to be the hero and if a goal doesnt look like coming he will hunt for a big hit to get some adulation from the crowd

TheCitizen

Idbatterim wrote: »

the last game against serbia was ridiculous, at least the last 10-15 where we were desperate for a goal. no composure, going for the miracle hero goal from miles away from the goal...

I cant recall what he was like before desperation stage, but during it, it was stupid stuff...

Do you recall the composure he showed when taking 3 goalscoring opportunities earlier in the campaign or has that slipped your mind.

TheCitizen

irishman86 wrote: »

Yes after the world cup
Ireland will never grow while hes in charge
Will you want him to stay if we lose if so well you are a blind sheep as third in a group which you lead is pathetic

If we get to the World Cup you think we should voluntarily get rid of a manager that has qualified us for two tournaments running?:pac:

As I said, there's no legislating for that level of stupidity.

irishman86

TheCitizen wrote: »

If we get to the World Cup you think we should voluntarily get rid of a manager that has qualified us for two tournaments running?:pac:

As I said, there's no legislating for that level of stupidity.

Good to see you didnt answer the question asked isnt it :rolleyes:

We should have already qualified for the world cup alas DinoMartin choked and resorted to looking for draws

irishman86

TheCitizen wrote: »

Do you recall the composure he showed when taking 3 goalscoring opportunities earlier in the campaign or has that slipped your mind.

Two against the mighty Moldova
What about his misses like against Georgia which is just one of many :rolleyes:

Mantis Toboggan

irishman86 wrote: »

Good to see you didnt answer the question asked isnt it :rolleyes:

We should have already qualified for the world cup alas DinoMartin choked and resorted to looking for draws

In fairness we were 4th seeds in the group, we were always going to be up against it.

Who do you suggest would replace him?

CrowdedHouse

2-0 U21's

Charlsley