Nissan Leaf

ELM327

from_atozinc wrote: »

thanks, I thought the miles would have a reflection on the battery health,the more miles done would bring down the battery health, but sounds like I am wrong.

What in reality brings down the battery health?

The fact that it's a gen 1 and not a gen 1.5 will bring it down quicker,

Miles have not really much to do with it. It's about how the car was looked after, so if you rapid charge to 100% a lot or leave the car sitting at a high or low state of charge for too long, or do a lot of rapid discharging, it can affect the health.
Letting the heat get into the red can also affect the battery health.

Miles are the least important factor, it's all about charge/discharge cycles and how the battery was looked after.

And I'd prefer a 150k km gen 1.5 to a 75km gen 1, I've seen the former still having 90% battery health, and the latter can be below 75%.

ELM327

waynegalway wrote: »

Age. Simple as that.

Age is one factor, but, like miles, it's not the main one.
If it was, there would be linear degradation across all batteries of a similar age. Which, data from Nissan (and other EV suppliers) have shown, there isnt

goz83

unkel wrote: »

He is asking for very strong money. I feel a newer generation battery 2014/2015 for about €10k is better value than his car (with a battery that has probably already lost 2 bars, and no warranty left on the battery)

It's not strong money he is asking for at all tbf. It's about the cheapest 2012 for sale. I think the seller just lacks credibility. You should have seen some of the shoite he was talking on adverts and had stupid claim ranges (150 miles on motorway ). Anyone looking at an EV who has done even a tiny bit of research will see his BS and so the car stays for sale.

You won't get a Gen 1.5 in any decent order for 10k without it being flex and/or visia and a private sale.

ELM327 wrote: »

But the miles are not as important as battery health
the two 2011 ones have been up for a while as they are down battery bars. This doesnt really happen in the gen 1.5

I agree. But miles are still important. And Gen 1.5 models are starting to lose bars. I've seen a few for sale with a bar gone and one with 2 gone.

from_atozinc wrote: »

thanks, I thought the miles would have a reflection on the battery health,the more miles done would bring down the battery health, but sounds like I am wrong.

What in reality brings down the battery health?

It has some reflection....especially if someone doing high miles uses a fast charger when doing those miles.

waynegalway wrote: »

Age. Simple as that.

Not quite. My 2012 still has 11 bars whereas some newer Leafs have less. I would say rapid charging has the biggest impact. We are lucky we don't live in a hot climate. Our EVs do well here.

unkel

goz83 wrote: »

You won't get a Gen 1.5 in any decent order for 10k without it being flex and/or visia and a private sale.

I only do value for money, so my price targets are always pretty sharp

I spotted a few 2015 Leafs in the UK over the last few months (battery owned) that could be brought in for around €10k. That said, I haven't seen any in recent weeks. More anecdotal proof that prices across all EVs (new and second hand) are further firming up

€7.5k for a gen 1 Leaf is still too much in my book, unless in exceptional condition from a dealer with a warranty, maybe.

goz83

unkel wrote: »

I only do value for money, so my price targets are always pretty sharp

I spotted a few 2015 Leafs in the UK over the last few months (battery owned) that could be brought in for around €10k. That said, I haven't seen any in recent weeks. More anecdotal proof that prices across all EVs (new and second hand) are further firming up

€7.5k for a gen 1 Leaf is still too much in my book, unless in exceptional condition from a dealer with a warranty, maybe.

Any relatively good value cars are being snapped up within hours of being advertised. IIRC, the car you are referring to to ~10k was a white private sale acenta. No info on battery health. It was based in Dover...so a very long drive across the UK, or a lot of messing with ferries.

Prices continue to go up for Leafs, so while you may not think a Gen1 Leaf is worth 7.5k, the prices they are going for says that buyers disagree with you. If I was looking for a Gen1 Leaf, it would hurt because I know last years prices, but I would still pay that money. I think prices will continue to go up as demand rises.

Shefwedfan

I would personally go to the likes of ELectric Autos, Eco Cars, Next Eco car

Give them your requirements and let them come back to you.....looking over Done Deal you will be at it for weeks

from_atozinc

waynegalway wrote: »

Seller says it’s a Nismo version. Correct me if I’m wrong, but is that just a badge, or is there anything extra special about it? I thought the “real” Nismo Leaf wasn’t out yet.

what does "nismo" mean?

grogi

from_atozinc wrote: »

what does "nismo" mean?

In Nissan speak it is crazy.

from_atozinc

grogi wrote: »

In Nissan speak it is crazy.

ok, but what is it?
a spec of a car or engine or wha

Gumbo

from_atozinc wrote: »

ok, but what is it?
a spec of a car or engine or wha

It’s a spec level. Basically Nismo is a tuning company that specialise in nissans. They take the stock Leaf and modify it.

Google ‘Nissan Leaf nismo’

ELM327

from_atozinc wrote: »

ok, but what is it?
a spec of a car or engine or wha

It's like the M division of BMW or AMG for mercedes.
There are no Nismo leafs

Gumbo

waynegalway wrote: »

Seller says it’s a Nismo version. Correct me if I’m wrong, but is that just a badge, or is there anything extra special about it? I thought the “real” Nismo Leaf wasn’t out yet.

Nismo made a version for the previous Leaf too.
But this seller is talking crap.

Gumbo

ELM327 wrote: »

It's like the M division of BMW or AMG for mercedes.
There are no Nismo leafs

Are you sure about that?
It was a $10k option in America. Some parts pop up now and again on eBay and Amazon but I’ve never seen one in the flesh.

They changed the wheels, bumpers, skirts and lowered it. They also altered the batter management to increase acceleration.

ELM327

kceire wrote: »

Are you sure about that?
It was a $10k option in America. Some parts pop up now and again on eBay and Amazon but I’ve never seen one in the flesh.

They changed the wheels, bumpers, skirts and lowered it. They also altered the batter management to increase acceleration.

Ok let's rephrase, it was never offered for sale here.

from_atozinc

ELM327 wrote: »

Ok let's rephrase, it was never offered for sale here.

yes it was, you are wrong. Please apologize immediately (may contain sarcasm )

https://www.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-e-acenta/18716917

This lovely young man Stephen has a nismo

goz83

Old Nismo



New Nismo concept

Gumbo

goz83 wrote: »

Old Nismo



New Nismo concept

That old picture is actually the sports/race car concept. Nismo released a proper road going version.
One example - https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.freshnessmag.com/.amp/2013/06/28/2013-nissan-leaf-nismo/

https://goo.gl/images/y8cx2F

I spoke to the owner of the other one on DoneDeal. Said he bought it with the Nismo badge and thought nothing on it. He rang the dealer who confirmed it meant nothing too and he said he will amend his add.

from_atozinc

kceire wrote: »

That old picture is actually the sports/race car concept. Nismo released a proper road going version.
One example - https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.freshnessmag.com/.amp/2013/06/28/2013-nissan-leaf-nismo/

https://goo.gl/images/y8cx2F

I spoke to the owner of the other one on DoneDeal. Said he bought it with the Nismo badge and thought nothing on it. He rang the dealer who confirmed it meant nothing too and he said he will amend his add.

Curious, did you ring him purely about the nismo thing ?

Gumbo

from_atozinc wrote: »

Curious, did you ring him purely about the nismo thing ?

Sent him a message just to ask?
Told him that it may put off people looking at the car as they sell quickly.

Explained the Nissan connection with nismo as he didn’t know and thanked me so I wished him the best with the sale.

from_atozinc

kceire wrote: »

Sent him a message just to ask?
Told him that it may put off people looking at the car as they sell quickly.

Explained the Nissan connection with nismo as he didn’t know and thanked me so I wished him the best with the sale.

nice touch

unkel

goz83 wrote: »

Prices continue to go up for Leafs, so while you may not think a Gen1 Leaf is worth 7.5k, the prices they are going for says that buyers disagree with you. If I was looking for a Gen1 Leaf, it would hurt because I know last years prices, but I would still pay that money. I think prices will continue to go up as demand rises.

Generally agree with all you're saying there but €7.5k in my book is too much for a private sale 2012. There's a GBP5.3k asking price one on Autotrader. You can bring that in for a touch over €6k

But from a dealer with warranty, I guess we are looking at the €7.5k alright at this stage. Just checked and Phil has a 2013 for €8.6k

There's a low mileage private sale on on DD for €6,750. Should be able to get that for not an awful lot more than €6k. Comes with granny cable too (you could sell that if you're under pressure budget wise and you really wouldn't like spending over €6k)

from_atozinc

unkel wrote: »

Generally agree with all you're saying there but €7.5k in my book is too much for a private sale 2012. There's a GBP5.3k asking price one on Autotrader. You can bring that in for a touch over €6k

But from a dealer with warranty, I guess we are looking at the €7.5k alright at this stage. Just checked and Phil has a 2013 for €8.6k

There's a low mileage private sale on on DD for €6,750. Should be able to get that for not an awful lot more than €6k. Comes with granny cable too (you could sell that if you're under pressure budget wise and you really wouldn't like spending over €6k)

oh feck, I dunno, budget is the issue. that 6750 looks like it has only 10 bars left on it.

im just torn between a gen 1 and 1.5, would obviously like the gen 1.5 due to heat pump and probably fresher battery etc etc but wondering (again) is it worth the extra dosh................

grogi

from_atozinc wrote: »

oh feck, I dunno, budget is the issue. that 6750 looks like it has only 10 bars left on it.

im just torn between a gen 1 and 1.5, would obviously like the gen 1.5 due to heat pump and probably fresher battery etc etc but wondering (again) is it worth the extra dosh................

If it is going to be your only car - yes, it is. If it is a second - no, it isn't.

Shefwedfan

have you had s chance to test drive the Leaf?

from_atozinc

grogi wrote: »

If it is going to be your only car - yes, it is. If it is a second - no, it isn't.

We have a second ICE car

from_atozinc

Shefwedfan wrote: »

have you had s chance to test drive the Leaf?

briefly, a good while back, was decent.

unkel

grogi wrote: »

If it is going to be your only car - yes, it is. If it is a second - no, it isn't.

Well in fairness that depends on the driving pattern. Even a modestly used first gen Leaf doing a 80km commute and similar driving at the weekend, clocks up 345 * 80 = 28k km, far higher than the national average for a main family car

For me it didn't really cut the mustard as the only family car as we would go to the likes of Donegal, Kerry or west Cork now and then and the range and slow charging of the Leaf just wouldn't be up to that without major inconvenience (and I don't want my wife to divorce me or my children to kill me just yet :pac:) But I'd say there's a million families / households in the greater Dublin area alone that never really do any such driving, ever. For all of them The L24, L30 and L40 are perfectly fine only family cars.

from_atozinc

unkel wrote: »

Well in fairness that depends on the driving pattern. Even a modestly used first gen Leaf doing a 80km commute and similar driving at the weekend, clocks up 345 * 80 = 28k km, far higher than the national average for a main family car

For me it didn't really cut the mustard as the only family car as we would go to the likes of Donegal, Kerry or west Cork now and then and the range and slow charging of the Leaf just wouldn't be up to that without major inconvenience (and I don't want my wife to divorce me or my children to kill me just yet :pac:) But I'd say there's a million families / households in the greater Dublin area alone that never really do any such driving, ever. For all of them The L24, L30 and L40 are perfectly fine only family cars.

Noted. My commute is under 45km in total.
I have a 2nd car also.

waynegalway

from_atozinc wrote: »

Noted. My commute is under 45km in total.
I have a 2nd car also.

Round trip of 45km, and a second car available? Just go ahead and spend 7-8k on a Gen 1 and start saving!

unkel

Aye. I'm convinced several of the current gen EVs are perfectly fine main family cars. But even the cheapest lowest range second hand EVs are absolutely perfect for second cars / commuting cars!