Driver Cyclist arguement with a brilliant ending NSFW or kids

car in the video didn't seem that close to me.

I cycle and drive around Dublin. cyclist seems a wanker in this video.

radia

There seems to be confusion here between a foot and a yard.
1 yard = 3 feet = 91.44 cm (i.e. a little under a metre).
1 foot = 12 inches or approx. 30 cm, the length of a typical school ruler (the type your kids would have in their schoolbag, not the teacher's metre stick).

QuinDixie - when you say a foot, are you actually thinking of a yard?

Anyone who thinks it's ok for a car to overtake a bike by skimming past only a foot (12 inches, 30 cm, one ruler length) away is nuts. The draught caused by a vehicle passing at speed could itself cause the cyclist to be sucked towards the vehicle. The alarm triggered by such a close pass is also quite likely to cause a cyclist to wobble.

QuinDixie

radia wrote: »

There seems to be confusion here between a foot and a yard.
1 yard = 3 feet = 91.44 cm (i.e. a little under a metre).
1 foot = 12 inches or approx. 30 cm, the length of a typical school ruler (the type your kids would have in their schoolbag, not the teacher's metre stick).

QuinDixie - when you say a foot, are you actually thinking of a yard?

Anyone who thinks it's ok for a car to overtake a bike by skimming past only a foot (12 inches, 30 cm, one ruler length) away is nuts. The draught caused by a vehicle passing at speed could itself cause the cyclist to be sucked towards the vehicle. The alarm triggered by such a close pass is also quite likely to cause a cyclist to wobble.

everyones feet are different.:pac:

1 foot, 12 inches, from handle bar to wing mirror is perfect in certain situations.
It happens everyday.
Its a non issue.

But the hatred SOME motorists and cyclists have for each other is a very real and dangerous issue. I dont understand it, never will.
Some road users believe their car, bicycle, motorbike is an extension of them and that is something I find verges on psychotic.
Courtesy is the word. More Courtesy. Dont take it all so personal.

QuinDixie

ezra_pound wrote: »

Then why do the RSA say 1.5 metre ~ 5 feet
Either you drive safely or you shouldn't be behind the wheel.

do you drive
do you cycle
have you ever broke the rules
who hasnt:pac:

RainyDay

I take that you are somehow missing the huge, gaping contradiction between

QuinDixie wrote: »

1 foot, 12 inches, from handle bar to wing mirror is perfect in certain situations.
It happens everyday.
Its a non issue.

and

QuinDixie wrote: »

Courtesy is the word. More Courtesy.

'Courtesy' generally involves at a minimum, complying with the law, and as a general rule, being considerate of the other party's personal safety.

If you have even the slightest commitment to courtesy, leave more than 1 foot when you pass a cyclist. Multiply it by 3 and you'll be heading in the right direction.

I'm still confused that having seen the UK Highway Code role and the RSA recommendation, why would you NOT want to do this? What is so urgent about your overtake that you can't wait 30 seconds or in unusual circumstances 60 seconds to find a safe place to pass?

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

do you drive
do you cycle
have you ever broke the rules
who hasnt:pac:

Yes I drive. Yes I cycle. Yes of course I have failed to always exercise adequate respect of all safely guidelines and road traffic law.

But you are trying to condone dangerous driving and dangerous overtaking.

1 foot overtaking distance is nowhere near OK. It is indefensible. If you don't recognise this then you shouldn't be let behind the wheel.

QuinDixie

RainyDay wrote: »

I take that you are somehow missing the huge, gaping contradiction between


and



'Courtesy' generally involves at a minimum, complying with the law, and as a general rule, being considerate of the other party's personal safety.

If you have even the slightest commitment to courtesy, leave more than 1 foot when you pass a cyclist. Multiply it by 3 and you'll be heading in the right direction.

I'm still confused that having seen the UK Highway Code role and the RSA recommendation, why would you NOT want to do this? What is so urgent about your overtake that you can't wait 30 seconds or in unusual circumstances 60 seconds to find a safe place to pass?

I think you are very confused.
I do not overtake every bicycle and leave 1 foot gap. That does not happen.
I have done it, but very rarely and involving low speeds.
I suppose it comes down to skill of driving, mine is very high. You dont drive so wouldnt understand.

You be careful out there. Always keep it real and show some courtesy.

QuinDixie

ezra_pound wrote: »

Yes I drive. Yes I cycle. Yes of course I have failed to always exercise adequate respect of all safely guidelines and road traffic law.

But you are trying to condone dangerous driving and dangerous overtaking.

1 foot overtaking distance is nowhere near OK. It is indefensible. If you don't recognise this then you shouldn't be let behind the wheel.

In future read while you are typing, might help before pressing submit.

You admit to breaking the law, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

I think you are very confused.
I do not overtake every bicycle and leave 1 foot gap. That does not happen.
I have done it, but very rarely and involving low speeds.
I suppose it comes down to skill of driving, mine is very high. You dont drive so wouldnt understand.

You be careful out there. Always keep it real and show some courtesy.

Quite clearly you're suffering from cognitive bias.

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

In future read while you are typing, might help before pressing submit.

You admit to breaking the law, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

There is a very big difference between guilt and condoning bad and dangerous behaviour. I stand over everything o have said.

RainyDay

QuinDixie wrote: »

I think you are very confused.
I do not overtake every bicycle and leave 1 foot gap. That does not happen.
I have done it, but very rarely and involving low speeds.
I suppose it comes down to skill of driving, mine is very high. You dont drive so wouldnt understand.

Presumably this is just trolling, but if not, perhaps I should explain that I do drive. Like most cyclists, I drive, having passed the same driving test as every other driver.

Most of us think that we're great drivers, and most of us are wrong. If you think that there are any circumstances where a 1 foot gap is safe, you are neither a skilled driver nor a courteous driver.

But again, you avoid the question - what is so urgent about your overtake that you can't wait 30 or 60 seconds to do it safely and legally.

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

I think you are very confused.
I do not overtake every bicycle and leave 1 foot gap. That does not happen.
I have done it, but very rarely and involving low speeds.
I suppose it comes down to skill of driving, mine is very high. You dont drive so wouldnt understand.

You be careful out there. Always keep it real and show some courtesy.

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to accurately evaluate their own ability level. Conversely, highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks that are easy for them are also easy for others.[1]

David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University have postulated that the effect is the result of internal illusion in the unskilled, and external misperception in the skilled: "The miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."

As has been said, if you think 1 foot is enough, then you are not a competent driver.

QuinDixie

RainyDay wrote: »

Presumably this is just trolling, but if not, perhaps I should explain that I do drive. Like most cyclists, I drive, having passed the same driving test as every other driver.

Most of us think that we're great drivers, and most of us are wrong. If you think that there are any circumstances where a 1 foot gap is safe, you are neither a skilled driver nor a courteous driver.

But again, you avoid the question - what is so urgent about your overtake that you can't wait 30 or 60 seconds to do it safely and legally.

Most of us think we are great cyclists, and most of us are wrong.:pac:

1 foot gap and happens everyday, and the statistics prove its not exceptionally dangerous. Just look at cyclist deaths. Very low. Cycling is not a dangerous pastime.

QuinDixie

ezra_pound wrote: »

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to accurately evaluate their own ability level. Conversely, highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks that are easy for them are also easy for others.[1]

David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University have postulated that the effect is the result of internal illusion in the unskilled, and external misperception in the skilled: "The miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."

As has been said, if you think 1 foot is enough, then you are not a competent driver.

I dont understand, can you explain to me better.
Does this mean everyone in the whole world suffers from this.:D

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

I dont understand, can you explain to me better.
Does this mean everyone in the whole world suffers from this.:D

No but incompetent drivers who think that they have excellent drinking skills do.

QuinDixie

ezra_pound wrote: »

No but incompetent drivers who think that they have excellent drinking skills do.

Yes is the answer. your answer shows you suffer from it to.
Ya Follow.:pac:

LeBash

Yer man on the bike was just looking for an argument and chickened out. A better outcome would have been the driver catching the bike with the kick and both of taking a faceplant.

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

Yes is the answer. your answer shows you suffer from it to.
Ya Follow.:pac:

No.

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

Yes is the answer. your answer shows you suffer from it to.
Ya Follow.:pac:

I think you've got a bias in your ability to understand cognitive bias theories.

QuinDixie

ezra_pound wrote: »

No.

Exactly.

QuinDixie

ezra_pound wrote: »

I think you've got a bias in your ability to understand cognitive bias theories.

Love it, must be contagious, That description of cognitive bias fits with everyone I know. :pac:

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

Exactly.

I'm sorry but someone who thinks that it's acceptable to overtake a pedal bike leaving only 1 foot is acceptable because it happens everyday is not only an idiot but a bad driver. Furthermore, If that incompetent driver considers that they are skilled as a motorist, they are clearly suffering from a cognitive bias.

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

Love it, must be contagious, That description of cognitive bias fits with everyone I know. :pac:

Maybe because your peers are all in their twenties!

QuinDixie

ezra_pound wrote: »

I'm sorry but someone who thinks that it's acceptable to overtake a pedal bike leaving only 1 foot is acceptable because it happens everyday is not only an idiot but a bad driver. Furthermore, If that incompetent driver considers that they are skilled as a motorist, they are clearly suffering from a cognitive bias.

Firstly, I dont think you understand cognitive bias.
Secondly, I am not the idiot here, see Firstly.
Thirdly, I am an excellent driver. never had a point, a fine, any accident.
Hooray for me.
1 foot my eye.:pac:

ezra_pound

QuinDixie wrote: »

Firstly, I dont think you understand cognitive bias.
Secondly, I am not the idiot here, see Firstly.
Thirdly, I am an excellent driver. never had a point, a fine, any accident.
Hooray for me.
1 foot my eye.:pac:

What does 1 foot my eye mean?

1 foot is what you think is a reasonable distance to overtake cyclists. Right?

Darkglasses

QuinDixie wrote: »

Firstly, I dont think you understand cognitive bias.
Secondly, I am not the idiot here, see Firstly.
Thirdly, I am an excellent driver. never had a point, a fine, any accident.
Hooray for me.
1 foot my eye.:pac:

Ok, enough sly digs. We're done here unless somebody else wants to talk about something other than how long 1 foot is.