Danielson tests positive

Andalucia

they must have decided that Danielson is now fair game - refreshing to see such honesty within the peleton

pelevin

If Pate considers Danielson to be certainly doping - as seems a fair assumption - if Pate is a clean rider, then I'd say he has plenty reason to be angry & say f.. him. Otoh I don't think his tweets are really all that high up on the amusement scale. "Amusement scale?! I didn't know there was a f......g amusement scale!" Ok Danny, I was just trying to be polite about saying I don't think you're very funny.

letape

If I was a (clean) professional cyclist, I'm pretty sure id feel the same way as Pate.

I also think this shows a flaw in the LA investigation. What a joke having Danielson and the others getting six months for coming clean and telling their story.

Andalucia

blame Travis - if he dealt with the mess properly then and treated everyone the same, this history would not repeat itself

dastardly00

godtabh wrote: »

Why is Pate so pissed off?

Pate and Danielson were team mates at Vaughter's team from 2008-10 so that might have something got to do with it.

FullGasCycle

Anyone read TD affidavite to USADA. 17 pages of EPO, steroids, blood bags, doctors, evading dope tests and then at the very end a text from J. Vaughters and poof he's now clean. Madness.

ThisRegard

It's an odd one. Previously the silence from other riders would be.slated as being all down to the omerta. Now there's a current rider openly taking the piss out of a proven cheat, most likely twice over, and he's a cyber bully.

Does he deserve sympathy and not to be openly called to task and have the piss ripped out of him by someone in the pro peleton who was cheated by him?

dastardly00

This isn't the first time that Pate has gone after Danielson.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/12/news/usac-vs-obra-are-the-feds-growing-grass-roots-or-trampling-them_270056

In early June 2012, Tom Danielson, Georgia Gould and Jeremy Horgan-Kobelski were among thousands of competitors at Vail’s Teva Mountain Games, a multi-sport event that includes bike racing, kayaking, rock climbing and trail running.

All three cyclists made the most of their trip to the Colorado high country, winning their respective races and collecting the accompanying $3,000 first-place prize checks.

A few days later, fellow pro cyclist Danny Pate penned what appeared to be a semi-sarcastic tweet, asking: “Hey @tomdanielson does @usacycling or @UCI_cycling know you raced the Teva Games this year, I don’t think it’s a UCI race?”

lennymc

just to be clear - I have no sympathy for Danielson - he deserves whatever punishment is coming to him. I do however feel that a professional on arguably the biggest team in cycling, who have just won the TDF, with 30k followers should show some more consideration and responsibility in his tweets and think of impressionable followers who may think that this is now an acceptable way of airing whatever grievances they may have, rather than slinging playground insults. There have been cases of suicides following social media bullying like this, and I do have sympathy for those people.

@thisregard - how does saying I was trying to keep my girfriend satisfied do anything to help break omerta or call danielson to task? Surely something like asking danielson (via twitter or not) why he cheated riders out of wins etc would be a much better way of calling him to task.

ThisRegard

lennymc wrote: »

@thisregard - how does saying I was trying to keep my girfriend satisfied do anything to help break omerta or call danielson to task? Surely something like asking danielson (via twitter or not) why he cheated riders out of wins etc would be a much better way of calling him to task.

He was just ripping the piss as to the reasons he doped, in the same way Danielson blames meat. Understandable to a point I think, even if not very mature. And the tweets aren't directed at Danielson, so unless he follows Pate, or someone shows him, he might not even know they exist. It's a bit different than teens putting all sorts of crap on a classmates facebook page.

Although he should really remember what happens to people in glass houses.

lennymc

his tweets were directed at @tomdanielson (danielson will get a notification that he was mentioned). Doesnt get more direct than that. One person's ripping the pi$$ can be another persons harrassment and bullying.

Anyway, Danielson probably doped again, should get a lifetime ban.

terrydel

Doc07 wrote: »

posting on Boards.ie on my iPhone.

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Pet hate of mine, but why cant people just say phone!

godtabh

terrydel wrote: »

Pet hate of mine, but why cant people just say phone!

Because it is an iPhone?

In relation to any potential ban what can we expect. Is there rules around it?

gordongekko

godtabh wrote: »

Because it is an iPhone?

In relation to any potential ban what can we expect. Is there rules around it?

Isn't he 37?? Any decent ban is probably a lifetime ban anyways.

lennymc

godtabh wrote: »

Because it is an iPhone?

In relation to any potential ban what can we expect. Is there rules around it?

Think lifetime ban for a second offence but not sure.

terrydel

godtabh wrote: »

Because it is an iPhone?

In relation to any potential ban what can we expect. Is there rules around it?

No, its just a phone, same as all the others, so why do people with iphones feel the need to qualify it with the offending 'i' ?!
Just a personal gripe, don't mind me.

As for bans, I haven't a clue on the rules, but Id suspect his career is over once the b sample is confirmed.

godtabh

lennymc wrote: »

Think lifetime ban for a second offence but not sure.

Thats what I thought

DonegalBay

lennymc wrote: »

his tweets were directed at @tomdanielson (danielson will get a notification that he was mentioned). Doesnt get more direct than that. One person's ripping the pi$$ can be another persons harrassment and bullying.

Anyway, Danielson probably doped again, should get a lifetime ban.

I would think its fair to say Pate and Danielson most likely have a history.

Pate has a good reputation regards the doping subject. He won the world Espoirs TT way back in 01 I think, but other than a trial stint with Saeco team, he never went to Europe and rode domestically in the US. Apparently the reason was he knew how things were in Europe so didn't want to be there.

It was Vaughters who convinced him to go to Europe with Slipstream when they first formed back in 06/07. I think Pate was less than happy when they signed a lot of former Postal guys including Danielson and left the team in 2010. I don't think he has much time for any of the ex-Postal guys.

But as someone said, cycling is like a glasshouse, you never know who could be beside you.

Eamonnator

lennymc wrote: »

Think lifetime ban for a second offence but not sure.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/24955873

This says 4 years for 1st major offence, lifetime ban for 2nd offence.
Was T.D.'s first offence major. 6 months suspension might suggest, that it wasn't.

ThisRegard

lennymc wrote: »

his tweets were directed at @tomdanielson (danielson will get a notification that he was mentioned). Doesnt get more direct than that.

Ah, the one I looked at that was quoted in this thread, number 9 on his list I think, didn't have an @ to anybody so I assumed none of his tweets had. I stand corrected, number 7 appears to be directed.


Re the Sent by my iPhone, it's defaulted automatically. On Android phones similar can also be defaulted, "Sent from my Android" or something like that. It can be switched off.

terrydel

ThisRegard wrote: »

Re the Sent by my iPhone, it's defaulted automatically. On Android phones similar can also be defaulted, "Sent from my Android" or something like that. It can be switched off.

Aware of that, my pet hate is when people drop 'iphone' instead of phone into general conversation or sentences.
I need to get out more

godtabh

terrydel wrote: »

Aware of that, my pet hate is when people drop 'iphone' instead of phone into general conversation or sentences.
I need to get out more

or an iPhone

lennymc

Looked it up, and it appears the section below covers it (but I'm not sure).
My reading of it is that he will get 4 years based on C below

UCI wrote:

Multiple Violations
10.7.1 For a Rider or other Person’s second anti-doping rule violation, the period of
Ineligibility shall be the greater of:
a) six months;
b) one-half of the period of Ineligibility imposed for the first anti-doping rule
violation without taking into account any reduction under Article 10.6; or
c) twice the period of Ineligibility otherwise applicable to the second antidoping
rule violation treated as if it were a first violation, without taking into
account any reduction under Article 10.6.
The period of Ineligibility established above may then be further reduced by
the application of Article 10.6.
10.7.2 A third anti-doping rule violation will always result in a lifetime period of
Ineligibility, except if the third violation fulfills the condition for elimination or
reduction of the period of Ineligibility under Article 10.4 or 10.5, or involves a
violation of Article 2.4. In these particular cases, the period of Ineligibility shall
be from eight years to lifetime Ineligibility.
10.7.3 An anti-doping rule violation for which a Rider or other Person has established
No Fault or Negligence shall not be considered a prior violation for purposes
of this Article.
10.7.4 Additional Rules for Certain Potential Multiple Violations
10.7.4.1 For purposes of imposing sanctions under Article 10.7, an anti-doping
rule violation will only be considered a second violation if the UCI can
establish that the Rider or other Person committed the second antidoping
rule violation after the Rider or other Person received notice
pursuant to Article 7, or after the UCI made reasonable efforts to give
notice of the first anti-doping rule violation. If the UCI cannot establish
this, the violations shall be considered together as one single first
violation, and the sanction imposed shall be based on the violation
that carries the more severe sanction.
10.7.4.2 If, after the imposition of a sanction for a first anti-doping rule
violation, the UCI discovers facts involving an anti-doping rule
violation by the Rider or other Person which occurred prior to
UCI CYCLING REGULATIONS
E0115 ANTI-DOPING RULES 40
notification regarding the first violation, then the UCI shall impose an
additional sanction based on the sanction that could have been
imposed if the two violations had been adjudicated at the same time.
Results in all Competitions dating back to the earlier anti-doping rule
violation will be Disqualified as provided in Article 10.8.
10.7.5 Multiple Anti-Doping Rule Violations during Ten-Year Period
For purposes of Article 10.7, each anti-doping rule violation must take place
within the same ten-year period in order to be considered multiple violations.

morana

I am not a vaughters fan!

Remember this is a man who setup a supposedly clean team with 6 convicted dopers on the books and then has an opportunity to retain a supposedly clean rider Phil Gaimon but hasnt room on the roster.....He's all talk

maybe he wasnt one of the "cool kids"

dastardly00

It better be a lifetime ban and not a 4-year ban.

If he got only four years, he would be back competing at age 41, which is the age that Chris Horner was when he won La Vuelta in 2013!

Eamonnator

Both of these reports state, that T.D. faces a lifetime ban.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/tom-danielson-fails-doping-test_380297

http://www.outsideonline.com/2005346/enduro-world-series-racer-dies-crash

RobFowl

Eamonnator wrote: »

Both of these reports state, that T.D. faces a lifetime ban.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/tom-danielson-fails-doping-test_380297

http://www.outsideonline.com/2005346/enduro-world-series-racer-dies-crash

Potentially a life ban but these are hard to enforce if contested. More likely a 4-8 year one (suspect 8 as was given lenient ban last time).

B tests are almost never different to A btw...

lennymc

Eamonnator wrote: »

Both of these reports state, that T.D. faces a lifetime ban.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/tom-danielson-fails-doping-test_380297

http://www.outsideonline.com/2005346/enduro-world-series-racer-dies-crash

fingers crossed

godtabh

Either way his professional career is over

Doc07

terrydel wrote: »

No, its just a phone, same as all the others, so why do people with iphones feel the need to qualify it with the offending 'i' ?!
Just a personal gripe, don't mind me.

As for bans, I haven't a clue on the rules, but Id suspect his career is over once the b sample is confirmed.

Sorry for offending you:) I just meant internet or smart phone. I use iphone the same way as you one uses the term hoover, i'm not actually brand loyal.