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Religion in junior infants
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purplecow1977 wrote: »Oh I don't know, I try to expose them to a variety of books in my library!
Don't most Catholics realise the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally? It's more about various MESSAGES. That's what I understand anyway!
What age do you teach?0 -
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purplecow1977 wrote: »Oh I don't know, I try to expose them to a variety of books in my library!
Don't most Catholics realise the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally? It's more about various MESSAGES. That's what I understand anyway!
Depends on the sect.
My main issue is you not seeing the problem with children reciting prayers and thinking it's the same as learning a poem. It's something I've heard from other teachers too so it doesn't surprise me, but the lack of awareness of indoctrination compared to education is something that's shocking to see in those who teach children.0 -
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purplecow1977 wrote: »Oh I don't know, I try to expose them to a variety of books in my library!
Don't most Catholics realise the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally? It's more about various MESSAGES. That's what I understand anyway!
Of course we do. That's what the Catechism is for. I'd never let that little factoid spoil a good rant though
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purplecow1977 wrote: »Oh I don't know, I try to expose them to a variety of books in my library!
Don't most Catholics realise the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally? It's more about various MESSAGES. That's what I understand anyway!
The Bible was absolutely meant to be taken 100% literally as a complete article of faith, life, the universe and everything. Until education came along and showed how ludicrous it is, then suddenly it was all parables.0 -
Depends on the sect.
My main issue is you not seeing the problem with children reciting prayers and thinking it's the same as learning a poem. It's something I've heard from other teachers too so it doesn't surprise me, but the lack of awareness of indoctrination compared to education is something that's shocking to see in those who teach children.
You are suggesting that I am 'indoctrinated' in my teaching & if I wasn't on holidays, I might even find that offensive, but I am not going to bite on this occasion
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purplecow1977 wrote: »You are suggesting that I am 'indoctrinated' in my teaching & if I wasn't on holidays, I might even find that offensive, but I am not going to bite on this occasion
No, going on your posts your classroom time involves indoctrination. Which you see as no.different to children learning a poem.
Indoctrination is the correct term for what faith formation in schools involves. I don't know why you'd find it offensive. There is a Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith after all.0 -
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No, going on your posts your classroom time involves indoctrination. Which you see as no.different to children learning a poem.
Indoctrination is the correct term for what faith formation in schools involves. I don't know why you'd find it offensive. There is a Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith after all.
I'd say if I clocked how much time I spent on religion this year, it probably wouldn't amount to much. I'm great at packing in weeks of 'lessons' into a few!
Perhaps I'm just extremely lucky in that the school I work in isn't overly religious! We are also lucky to have children of various faiths in all of our classrooms. I suppose a small West of Ireland school might expect different things.0 -
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purplecow1977 wrote: »I'd say if I clocked how much time I spent on religion this year, it probably wouldn't amount to much. I'm great at packing in weeks of 'lessons' into a few!
Perhaps I'm just extremely lucky in that the school I work in isn't overly religious! We are also lucky to have children of various faiths in all of our classrooms. I suppose a small West of Ireland school might expect different things.
So your school isn't abiding by Rule 68 and the curriculum criteria? What would typical indoctrination for the class you taught this year involve?0 -
purplecow1977 wrote: »
If only everyone had that ability to show respect and tolerance for others. And really with any religion, isn't that one of the main messages?!
Absolutely.
Interestingly however Christianity was born out of the old Jewish religion. Islam as well, is another Abrahamic religion and even Protestantism was born out of a lack of tolerance for the Catholic hierarchy.
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The problem is I'm still hearing the same horror stories from relatives who are currently in school.
Each school and each classroom is different. The problem is the system still had some evangelising hardliners in the mix.
If you're unlucky enough to encounter one, your school days rapidly become very bad.
The issue is that education is a state service, partially outsourced.
Just imagine you went to your local library and they said, sorry those books are prioritised for Scientologists.
Then you went to book an appointment for your NCT and discovered all the appointments are also prioritised for Scientologists. But there is a Car Tests Together centre located just 80km away with a 2 year waiting list.
Then you call 999 but are told that's only for Scientologists and you need to call 666 and wait up to 6 months for a response.
See how ludicrous it looks when you change it to a more controversial religion that you're not a member of and when you apply similar policies to other state services we're not used to seeing in a religious context?
I completely understand, but I don't hear much of a fuss being made to get religion removed from schools! Teachers have other priorities, like the smaller class sizes etc
I'd imagine if a proper RESPECTFUL campaign (not insulting those who do practise) was initiated it would have the support of majority of teachers. Believe it or not, many of us believe it has no place within our schools.
My suggestion of having school finish a half hour earlier, and use that half hour for the teaching of religion, is an option. I'm sure there are logistic issues but I haven't gotten that far thinking yet! 0 -
purplecow1977 wrote: »I completely understand, but I don't hear much of a fuss being made to get religion removed from schools! Teachers have other priorities, like the smaller class sizes etc
I'd imagine if a proper RESPECTFUL campaign (not insulting those who do practise) was initiated it would have the support of majority of teachers. Believe it or not, many of us believe it has no place within our schools.
My suggestion of having school finish a half hour earlier, and use that half hour for the teaching of religion, is an option. I'm sure there are logistic issues but I haven't gotten that far thinking yet!
With all due respect, teachers are amongst the most conservatively educated people on Ireland.
8 years in religious primary school.
6 years in religious secondary school.
3 to 4 years in religious teacher training college.
Get job by impressing religious organisations
Work rest of career in religious school.
I realise some younger teachers aren't so extreme but, there are plenty of older ones who are basically married lay nuns in terms of training and upbringing.
I'm not convinced that your average teachers' views and perspective are similar to the rest of us.
Obviously there are exceptions but it's one of the only remaining professions where you have to basically toe a religious line in most employment environments.
I mean for example, a friend of mine is teaching and makes a big effort to be seen at mass because it will impact her promotional prospects because the Parish has big influence over the BoM.0 -
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