World of Warcraft: Legion

Noxin

Begins tomorrow.

Dcully

Been levelling up all my healers to 100 [druid to 94] [pala to 90] via dungeons the past few days to see if I want to go back to the healing route for legion, was healer for 8 years on my priest.
Initial thoughts after playing most healers pre patch.

Holy Paladin - more fun than I remember but just not for me gameplay wise.

Holy priest - does the job but I'm find it on the boring side,could be because ive played holy for too long, yes its changed but not too much.

Disc priest - very enjoyable but I have my doubts how viable it will be for mythic 5 mans.

Resto Druid - only got this guy to 94 but played enough to know yet again its not for me gameplay wise, however could be a great spec for progression.

Resto Shaman - Very enjoyable,the toolkit master,plays better than ever,i really like the changes in gameplay that can be brought about by the talents.

Mistweaver Monk - wow what a crap load of fun, it all feels so fluid, tonnes of mechanics going on, a lot to wrap your head around but when you do, amazing fun to be had, cant stop playing it.

Really tempted to play resto shaman or mistweaver as a main but not sure I want to stress of healing allover again,as of now the mistweaver is too much fun to ignore.
Also very tempted to go the melee route for a main for a change, really liking shammy enhcncement,Fury warrior,windwalker monk and frost dk,they worked wonders with melee, feels great now.
As for ranged, enjoyed all 3 mage specs,everything else was meh to me,was a mage for WOD until I got bored of the game.
Decisions Decisions!

Vicxas

I used my level 100 boost on a Resto Shaman as they look like the most viable for raiding and mythic content.

I just cant get used to my Disc priest and Holy priest is boring AF.


In other news i'm also going back to Frost on my mage as its the only spec of the Mage i actually enjoy.



Also, stay away from Reddit if you dont want Legion pre-patch events spoiled for you, like i did

MagicIRL

My main concern with Disc for raiding is it lacks any great cooldown and general utility. It is a bunch of fun to play, and I'm leveling one up with a friend just because I'm enjoying it, but I won't be bringing on into progression raiding with the guild and that's sad.

I'll continue to main Mistweaver. I've enjoyed the changes for the most part, but I really loathe having to spec specifically into Fistweaving now, and that if I choose to do so, I'm still considered a Ranged class for boss mechanics so it could get messy, quick.

RDruid, RSham and MW Monk will be our ideal healing set-up, with Holy Priest/Holy Paladin in reserve. I do really like the 'mass innervate' Holy Priests now bring to the raid, so that could be key for early progression when gear and stats are lacking.


Legion wise I'm planning to level my Monk as Windwalker, and keep an active WW spec to go along with my Mistweaver. I've missed playing DPS but can't be bothered juggling multiple characters at end-game. I think I'll maintain the Monk, a Mage and a Priest or something similar.

Vicxas

MagicIRL wrote: »

My main concern with Disc for raiding is it lacks any great cooldown and general utility. It is a bunch of fun to play, and I'm leveling one up with a friend just because I'm enjoying it, but I won't be bringing on into progression raiding with the guild and that's sad.

I'll continue to main Mistweaver. I've enjoyed the changes for the most part, but I really loathe having to spec specifically into Fistweaving now, and that if I choose to do so, I'm still considered a Ranged class for boss mechanics so it could get messy, quick.

RDruid, RSham and MW Monk will be our ideal healing set-up, with Holy Priest/Holy Paladin in reserve. I do really like the 'mass innervate' Holy Priests now bring to the raid, so that could be key for early progression when gear and stats are lacking.


Legion wise I'm planning to level my Monk as Windwalker, and keep an active WW spec to go along with my Mistweaver. I've missed playing DPS but can't be bothered juggling multiple characters at end-game. I think I'll maintain the Monk, a Mage and a Priest or something similar.

General rule of thumb seems to be that if you are gonna use a healer for end game is to not put any artifact power into your DPS weapon and then use it when you hit 110 on your healer weapon.

MagicIRL

Vicxas wrote: »

General rule of thumb seems to be that if you are gonna use a healer for end game is to not put any artifact power into your DPS weapon and then use it when you hit 110 on your healer weapon.

Your artifact weapon levels up with talent point-like things. You get 1-13 very easily. #14 is the same cost as 1-13 combined, so the concept is to level your main to stage 13, then your alt/off spec to 13, then 14 on your main and so on.

That's how I'm doing it anyway. Supposedly you can level as a healer, but I can only imagine that taking literally hours to grind out quests. No thank you!

Vicxas

MagicIRL wrote: »

Your artifact weapon levels up with talent point-like things. You get 1-13 very easily. #14 is the same cost as 1-13 combined, so the concept is to level your main to stage 13, then your alt/off spec to 13, then 14 on your main and so on.

That's how I'm doing it anyway. Supposedly you can level as a healer, but I can only imagine that taking literally hours to grind out quests. No thank you!

Here, here.


Nuts to trying to level a healer.

MagicIRL

Vicxas wrote: »

Here, here.


Nuts to trying to level a healer.

Which is slightly disappointing. I don't think I've swapped to my Windwalker spec since just before HFC launched. The DPS/Healing was great for questing around Tanaan.

I think it could've been easily solved had Blizzard utilised the bodyguard system from the Garrisons, but in a healer only sense. Give Healing specs the ability to buff a bodyguard for % increased damage, only active while in outdoor zones and only while the Healing spec is active.

Xenoronin

Am I doing something completely ass backwards, or are ShadowPriests pretty damn weak at the moment? I feel more effective killing mobs as disc. Voidform feels... ****. It's a nice steroid, but I make a few more black flames and it's gone so quick.
I'm gonna mess around with my talents a bit more but any advice would be welcome!

Dcully

Not sure you have to spec into fistweaving, i understand with talents you will regain mana and reset CD of TFT but really is it viable and indeed essential? probably optimal but personally i wont be fixated on it if i have a MW as my main healer.

I do admit it is the only thing turning me away from a MW, if it becomes essential ill be dropping MW and moving onto resto shammy.

MagicIRL

Dcully wrote: »

Not sure you have to spec into fistweaving, i understand with talents you will regain mana and reset CD of TFT but really is it viable and indeed essential? probably optimal but personally i wont be fixated on it if i have a MW as my main healer.

I do admit it is the only thing turning me away from a MW, if it becomes essential ill be dropping MW and moving onto resto shammy.

Up until Legion pre-patch, Mistweaver had stacks of Mana Tea. This caped at 20, and allowed you to drink in-combat to replenish mana. One of the easiest ways to build Mana Tea stacks was to use your melee abilities and DPS the boss.

While doing this, with your Serpent Statue out, your DPS would blanket heal the raid for a small amount.

This has now changed, where Rising Thunder is the talent required to make Fistweaving worthwhile, in that it refreshes your Thunder Focus Tea and thus gives a benefit to fistweaving, because it no longer generates Mana Tea stacks due to the removal of the ability from the game.

It is arguably a HPS gain, as the Thunder Focus Tea allows you to cast augmented versions of your heals at a ridiculous pace due to the constant refreshing of your Tea.

Vicxas

Xenoronin wrote: »

Am I doing something completely ass backwards, or are ShadowPriests pretty damn weak at the moment? I feel more effective killing mobs as disc. Voidform feels... ****. It's a nice steroid, but I make a few more black flames and it's gone so quick.
I'm gonna mess around with my talents a bit more but any advice would be welcome!

All these classes are half done at the minute, they're not meant to be used in WOD and need the Artifact weapon to be 100%

Shadow priests are meant to be amazing in Legion.

Noxin

I've not healed in a long time in wow. Since wrath I think but I might gear my shaman as an offspec healer to test it out.
I'm still not even sure what will be my main as I've not really done much playing since the class overhauls.
Today will change that with the invasions as I'll be gearing 4 characters as much as possible over the next few weeks.

I have a Shaman, Pala, DK and Mage at 100.

I really enjoy my Shaman atm. Have only played as Enhance though. Gonna try gear to Ele as well to test out.
I have only ever tanked on my Pala. The only time I changed spec was with the overhaul to sort out action bars :P Not sure if I want to tank in Legion but I'll test it out during the invasions.
DK - Kinda used to solo the crap out of everything. I've only ever been blood but have messed about with unholy since the overhaul. I might test out full dps here.
Mage - Not played since TBC on a different server. Used my Legion boost to bring one to 100 on this server and it has been logged in twice to get carried through Kazzak kills only. Again, need to gear it so I can test if I enjoy it.

Lots to do over the next few weeks. Hope I have enough time :P

Xenoronin

Vicxas wrote: »

All these classes are half done at the minute, they're not meant to be used in WOD and need the Artifact weapon to be 100%

Shadow priests are meant to be amazing in Legion.

Good to know. I knew about the half baked classes, but it still felt pretty weak.

Tried Disc in a LFR recently, it's fun, but so different ! Holy is really fun I find (for someone who barely played Warlords and PandaLand... and Cata... jesus it's been a while). Taking away the shield was a really good idea.

MagicIRL

Xenoronin wrote: »

Good to know. I knew about the half baked classes, but it still felt pretty weak.

Tried Disc in a LFR recently, it's fun, but so different ! Holy is really fun I find (for someone who barely played Warlords and PandaLand... and Cata... jesus it's been a while). Taking away the shield was a really good idea.

Do not under estimate how powerful the artifact weapon is! You can check it out on Wowhead. It's basically like getting the old-school talent tree back in that you put points into a tree to increase damage etc of current spells and unlock new ones.

I can't link it here in work because the web filter blocks it.

Vicxas

MagicIRL wrote: »

Do not under estimate how powerful the artifact weapon is! You can check it out on Wowhead. It's basically like getting the old-school talent tree back in that you put points into a tree to increase damage etc of current spells and unlock new ones.

I can't link it here in work because the web filter blocks it.

Artifact Weapon guide:

Wowhead:

Wowhead

Xenoronin

Oh ****, that does suddenly make voidform look amazing. I'll watch the video later What's everyone using their free boost on? I'm thinking of making a Paladin

Vicxas

Xenoronin wrote: »

Oh ****, that does suddenly make voidform look amazing. I'll watch the video later What's everyone using their free boost on? I'm thinking of making a Paladin

Used mine on a shammy, as they look insane

Kiith

I have to say, as someone who originally didn't have much interest in playing a DH, they are bloody fun to play. Mobility is fantastic, and the animations are excellent. Really enjoyed the starter scenario. Think i may have found my new main alt, and it's potentially pushing for my main.

MagicIRL

Kiith wrote: »

I have to say, as someone who originally didn't have much interest in playing a DH, they are bloody fun to play. Mobility is fantastic, and the animations are excellent. Really enjoyed the starter scenario. Think i may have found my new main alt, and it's potentially pushing for my main.

Apparently if you press W+S and double jump you'll force disconnect yourself :pac:

Just so ya know!

Noxin

Gearing up to the ilvl 700 drops is insanely easy. My Shaman has 7 pieces, Pala has 8, DK and mage have 3 or 4 each too.
All in a couple of hours.

Dcully

Invasions not working right now.

Calhoun

Dcully wrote: »

Invasions not working right now.

how do you mean?

Kiith

They seemed fine yesterday. Did a few of them with a few characters. Gear is extremely easy to come by, but that's normal enough for an expansion pre-patch. Not sure i'll bother with doing many more though.

The Broken Shore scenario was excellent. As someone who loves the lore, it was definitely the best bit of story content they've done so far. Spoilers!! -

Anduin's sacrifice was excellent, and the Vol'jin cinematic for Horde was great. I was kind of annoyed about Tirion though...his 30 second death cameo was underwhelming.

MagicIRL

I've decided I'm going to maintain 3 characters in legion- Tank, Healer and Ranged DPS.

My Healer/Melee DPS will be my main, my Mistweaver with Windwalker offspec. My tank will probably be a Demon Hunter, since I want to play one and if I like it then two birds with one stone.

Ranged DPS I'm thinking Fire Mage, but also considering Affliction Warlock. I've always carried my lock through each expansion so it feels weird to leave it.

In saying that, I will probably level everything that I have to 110, but only those 3 will be kept actively geared/raid worthy.

Noxin

Kiith wrote: »

Spoilers!! -

Anduin's sacrifice was excellent, and the Vol'jin cinematic for Horde was great. I was kind of annoyed about Tirion though...his 30 second death cameo was underwhelming.

The cinematic inside Grommash Hold after the scenario was honestly second to none. Amazing piece of work. I shed a tear for poor aul Vol'jin :pac:

I need to gear my characters up 700 so I can properly test out what I want to main in Legion.
So far, shaman and Pala are clear winners. I was loving my Shaman. Then I tanked the scenario my my Pala and it was insanely fun. Did a few invasions and they were also great fun (although the bosses are a bit stupid with their one shot mechanics).
Still, gonna gear everyone up so I can do a proper comparison.

Still need to log in my DH and test it out too. :P

Dcully

Calhoun wrote: »

how do you mean?

For an hour lastnight any invasion I went to had nothing ,just players hanging around,
Seemed bugged.

Dcully

MagicIRL wrote: »

I've decided I'm going to maintain 3 characters in legion- Tank, Healer and Ranged DPS.

My Healer/Melee DPS will be my main, my Mistweaver with Windwalker offspec. My tank will probably be a Demon Hunter, since I want to play one and if I like it then two birds with one stone.

Ranged DPS I'm thinking Fire Mage, but also considering Affliction Warlock. I've always carried my lock through each expansion so it feels weird to leave it.

In saying that, I will probably level everything that I have to 110, but only those 3 will be kept actively geared/raid worthy.

Similar position myself, feels weird leaving my priest which was a main since release in the dust,holy is just so boring to me now,disc is very fun but not really main healer viable,shadow is meant to be great but I detest dot dot dot gameplay.

I mained a mage in WOD but this time round I'm just not digging it either,Frost is my favourite followed by arcane,fire is a bit average.

Really enjoying my monk and its close to being a main, mistweaver is probably the most fun ive had with a healer in the game, windwalker surprised me by being a lot of fun too,havent really tanked yet but I doubt ill ever main a tank.

I'm torn between monk and shaman as a main,havent tried the Demon Hunter yet,also keen to play a lvl 100 DK [have a lvl 80] so ill probably use my free lvl 100 on a DK ,might roll it over on alliance for a change.

MagicIRL

RShaman is very powerful and will serve you extremely well in progression raiding. I would always name the RShaman as the first spot on our healing team.

It also has the benefit of having ranged and melee off-specs, and Enhancement is apparently incredibly fun now.

TheDoc

When you say gear from invasions is easy to come by, where is this happening?

I did an invasion last night and had to just fly in the air above, as the amount of horde and PVP was simply infuriating. There was about 10 alliance and 200 horde.

Dcully

MagicIRL wrote: »

RShaman is very powerful and will serve you extremely well in progression raiding. I would always name the RShaman as the first spot on our healing team.

It also has the benefit of having ranged and melee off-specs, and Enhancement is apparently incredibly fun now.

Yeah I agree, enhancement is a lot of fun.

Also agree about shammy raid healing prowess but considering I probably wont have time to raid fully ill most likely be doing mythic 5 mans as my endgame.
I'm hoping this means will be a viable progression path?

I do really enjoy the shammy enhancement and resto specs, not mad about elemental, but monk MW and WW are insanely fun , really cant decide :P

Calhoun

Dcully wrote: »

For an hour lastnight any invasion I went to had nothing ,just players hanging around,
Seemed bugged.

It's not bugged it was just completed, while it last for 3 hours on a given server it is not always up it will be completed and then will restart again st some point that I don't know.

I use group finder for it.

Calhoun

TheDoc wrote: »

When you say gear from invasions is easy to come by, where is this happening?

I did an invasion last night and had to just fly in the air above, as the amount of horde and PVP was simply infuriating. There was about 10 alliance and 200 horde.

The gear drops from the crates at the end, so sitting in the air is the easy way of doing it.

The eu and us realms are alliance dominated you should play horde it's always like that.

Noxin

Don't be that guy :P

Get actively involved in the killing and don't worry about dying. The repair costs are easily covered by the gear you'll end up selling. There was a bit of pvp when I was doing them but nothing too annoying. That said, as horde I need to do the Westfall and Dun Morogh next for the achievement. Should be interesting.

Shanotheslayer

Few thoughts on the patch :

Demon Hunters - Seem like so much fun, really enjoying playing them. Going to give 5man mythics a bash with them this week.

Invasions- What a load of horse sh!te. The idea is really good, the execution is terrible. It's not scaled at all so no matter how many people are there the boss will always be the same health/damage. Constant death as a melee DPS on the last boss.

Twice now I've gotten to stage 4 and it auto resets as not enough people to kill boss.

Calhoun

If it's lack of numbers I don't know how you aren't using group finder. It's supposed to be nice and easy content which it is.

The hunt for the dread infiltrators is interesting especially when you get a group of 11 people all as dread lords with carrion swarm.

Xenoronin

Ahhhh, that demon hunter start was so fun. Only been through 1 invasion so far. Need to watch the attack on the broken isles from the Horde perspective as I have no level 100 horde to quickly look at it

MagicIRL

Oooo Mistweaver Monk is fun in Mythic HFC. Planning on speccing into the Fistweaving side of things, I just need time to rearrange my bars, keybinds and enchants!

Still haven't done an invasion though.

Vicxas

MagicIRL wrote: »

Oooo Mistweaver Monk is fun in Mythic HFC. Planning on speccing into the Fistweaving side of things, I just need time to rearrange my bars, keybinds and enchants!

Still haven't done an invasion though.

Hell of a lot of fun those invasions, got my Warrior to 700 in 3 invasions.


Going to do my Shaman tonight to 700 and then try and get into some Heroics and get my moose mount.

The_Mac

Currently playing on a RP server, our guild had a run in with a former guildie playing a DH last night. Was the most awful, special snowflakeness I've ever seen. I'm anticipating it's going to be the case running into them in the future.

Xenoronin

Oh, also, in relation to shadow priests. I was watching Reckful play legion beta arena last night. His shadowpriest teammate was always top of both damage and healing. I was worried for nothing it seems :L

TheDoc

Noxin wrote: »

Don't be that guy :P

Get actively involved in the killing and don't worry about dying. The repair costs are easily covered by the gear you'll end up selling. There was a bit of pvp when I was doing them but nothing too annoying. That said, as horde I need to do the Westfall and Dun Morogh next for the achievement. Should be interesting.

It was fine last night in fairness and I got actively involved when I realised you get more nethershards.

But the first night was just a massive timewaste trying to do anything, so I just say above, read comics while the bar filled to 100% and had a good time

ShadowHearth

Those invasion are a bit of a joke on pvp servers. Its just pure mess without a padle specially for melee classes. I get just killed by alliance who try to kill bigger demon as everyone uses abilities that hit few targets. In their defence it's same thing i do. Then you get a special part of players who specifically target opposite faction instead of objective just to be a dick. Looks like best way of doing these invasions is just sit in the corner of map ask and her both chest, then feck off.

Now I will play as main a paladin. I played paladin since Bc when horde got them up until Pandaria. I did all my raids with it. I **** you not, I was ret paladin in Bc raids. Those who played a lot will know how lucky I was with guild.
So we all moved to new server and I just used all 90 boost on fresh paladin I leveled up to 60. Could not be dealing with professions from 1-600...
I will tank and dps with it, but I would love to have a healer too. Specially when I heard that they changed healing. Its less spiky if that makes any sense. Its more about managing heals in long run. Am I right?
Don't know what healer though. I never had shaman or priest.

Dcully

Yes you are correct about healing, its all about choosing the correct heal from your arsenal according to whats going on around you.
Its very rewarding,ive played them all the last few weeks [all lvl 100 bar pala and druid,both 94] as ive always mained a healer so ill just quote myself from a few days back

Holy Paladin - more fun than I remember but just not for me gameplay wise.

Holy priest - does the job but I'm find it on the boring side,could be because ive played holy for too long, yes its changed but not too much.

Disc priest - very enjoyable but I have my doubts how viable it will be for mythic 5 mans.

Resto Druid - only got this guy to 94 but played enough to know yet again its not for me gameplay wise, however could be a great spec for progression.

Resto Shaman - Very enjoyable,the toolkit master,plays better than ever,i really like the changes in gameplay that can be brought about by the talents.

Mistweaver Monk - wow what a crap load of fun, it all feels so fluid, tonnes of mechanics going on, a lot to wrap your head around but when you do, amazing fun to be had, cant stop playing it.


Also tempted to go melee class as main as its better than ever, I thought the fury warrior felt good until I played my DK, wow both Unholy and Frost are great fun,Blood is nice too but personally I'm not mad about tanking.
Honourable mention to the Monk melee dps windwalker spec, really great fun to play, part of the reason why I'm leaning towards a monk as a main, mistwalker healing and windwalker melee dps

Quite enjoying my Mage too, Frost and Arcane in particular.

Finding the DH very boring altogether.

Any know of a decent Horde guild on Aggramar or connected servers recruiting?

ShadowHearth

Dcully wrote: »

Yes you are correct about healing, its all about choosing the correct heal from your arsenal according to whats going on around you.
Its very rewarding,ive played them all the last few weeks [all lvl 100 bar pala and druid,both 94] as ive always mained a healer so ill just quote myself from a few days back

Holy Paladin - more fun than I remember but just not for me gameplay wise.

Holy priest - does the job but I'm find it on the boring side,could be because ive played holy for too long, yes its changed but not too much.

Disc priest - very enjoyable but I have my doubts how viable it will be for mythic 5 mans.

Resto Druid - only got this guy to 94 but played enough to know yet again its not for me gameplay wise, however could be a great spec for progression.

Resto Shaman - Very enjoyable,the toolkit master,plays better than ever,i really like the changes in gameplay that can be brought about by the talents.

Mistweaver Monk - wow what a crap load of fun, it all feels so fluid, tonnes of mechanics going on, a lot to wrap your head around but when you do, amazing fun to be had, cant stop playing it.


Also tempted to go melee class as main as its better than ever, I thought the fury warrior felt good until I played my DK, wow both Unholy and Frost are great fun,Blood is nice too but personally I'm not mad about tanking.
Honourable mention to the Monk melee dps windwalker spec, really great fun to play, part of the reason why I'm leaning towards a monk as a main, mistwalker healing and windwalker melee dps

Quite enjoying my Mage too, Frost and Arcane in particular.

Finding the DH very boring altogether.

Any know of a decent Horde guild on Aggramar or connected servers recruiting?

I played a bit of healing druid while leveling, no high level experience though. I loved druids hots a lot. I hated paladin healing when I was forced to do it. No hots, had to pretty much spam heals as by the time spike of damage lands it's too late to wait for casting time.
One thing I did not really liked about druids is the tree form. I just did not liked to be in it visually. I am weird...
I still got 100 boost left. Was planing on using it on warlock. I played it up until level 76 when I got back to wow a month ago. It was fun. Though now I might start leveling shaman to 60 and priest to 60 and see what I enjoy more. Then use boost.
Maybe monks are fun, but I just hate monk classes in any game. They always look like hobos from down the street and I hate whole kung fu stuff.

Dcully

If you like hots you might like the monk,plays like a druid,shammy and holy priest rolled into one but a lot more interesting than any to play.
This vid might help you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X65W7boajM

ShadowHearth

Dcully wrote: »

If you like hots you might like the monk,plays like a druid,shammy and holy priest rolled into one but a lot more interesting than any to play.
This vid might help you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X65W7boajM

Thanks a lot for video. Looks like healing changed way more then I expected and to a very positive side. Healers essentially kind of hybrids now of dps and healing? Looks like some crack. When I got time off work I will start leveling a healer. Still can't decide which one though. Healing is not changed up to legion expansion though? It's still same crap up to 100?

Another question: when I played it was about having a separate set for each spec. Intellect vs strength etc. It's a bit weird now. If I will go shame amd want enhancement spec and resto, I will need to have agil/Str gear and int? Or one gear works for everything now?

Calhoun

The_Mac wrote: »

Currently playing on a RP server, our guild had a run in with a former guildie playing a DH last night. Was the most awful, special snowflakeness I've ever seen. I'm anticipating it's going to be the case running into them in the future.

Dfb or AD ? We were killing 120 man groups looking for dread infiltrators the other night using the dreadlord invasion thing. Carrion swarm is insane.

Kiith

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Another question: when I played it was about having a separate set for each spec. Intellect vs strength etc. It's a bit weird now. If I will go shame amd want enhancement spec and resto, I will need to have agil/Str gear and int? Or one gear works for everything now?

Most gear has different stats, depending on which spec you are currently (i.e. +int for Holy Paladin, +str for ret).

Canis Lupus

Useful EXP from the invasions btw. I afked 3 and went from 98 to 99. Of course afking is a bit rude but hey.... sue me.