Acting the **** abroad

yesto24

So I am living out of the country for nearly the last year and have settled for now in western Canada.
It's good, the people are nice and the society works. The politicians are as thick as are and the economy is heading for a bust like ours did but that's for another forum.
So I spend a lot of me free time in pubs. Have got to know a lot of people in the bar trade and observed a lot.
Make no mistake Irish people are wearing out the welcome we had. I know this has been coved about Australia already, I have never been to Australia or witnessed this so could not comment. But for here in Edmonton I have seen it and it pisses me off.
So after hours what is it that makes the paddys act the **** abroad?
And no I do not hate my country or my fellow Irishman before that is thrown at me by a rabid patriot. I do hate assholes and people who play up the stage Irish paddy.

JeffKenna

If you're spending most of your free time in pubs then are you not living up to the stereotype?

yesto24

JeffKenna wrote: »

If you're spending most of your free time in pubs then are you not living up to the stereotype?

I said a lot of my free time. But going for a couple of beers with some Canadians is not acting a ****. And I wasn't talking about stereotypes I am referring to total **** behaviour.

NotCominBack

Wouldnt be the Dubs, are these from the bog?

Because we drink and fight.

But if challenged, of course we say we don't and we look down on travellers for their drinking fighting ways. We hate that mirror being held up to ourselves.

You hear the same story wherever Irish go en-masse. In San Diego, the landlords prefer not having Irish tenants, because they have what's called eviction parties, where they have loads of people over, cause hundreds if not thousands in damage, and leave the landlord with the bill. There's similar stories in other places across America. And Australia. And Canada.

Too many Irish people seem to believe they're universally loved just for being Irish, and that people overlook their drunken antics because they're just fun-loving Irish people, having the craic. Some people just have no self awareness, but luckily they're in the minority. Shame everyone gets tarred with the same brush though.

Arbiter of Good Taste

I worked in Australia for a couple of years in my 20s. I was working with a "Big 4" firm so it wasn't your typical working holiday visa experience.

When I first started, what really pi$$ed me off, was a lot of my Australian colleagues' stereotypical views of the "paddies". After a few months out there, I wouldn't even bother trying to defend the Irish, because to be frank, the Aussies were right.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Always remember that you're an ambassador for Ireland while abroad. I know from my time in Aus that certain well behaved Irish people were affected from the actions of a few county colour wearing degenerate yobos when it came to applying for jobs. I was in Perth at the time the Western Australian Police issued a plea to the local GAA clubs to try and get the Irish community in order.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

You hear the same story wherever Irish go en-masse. In San Diego, the landlords prefer not having Irish tenants, because they have what's called eviction parties, where they have loads of people over, cause hundreds if not thousands in damage, and leave the landlord with the bill. There's similar stories in other places across America. And Australia. And Canada.

You mean the Irish drink and cause huge damage to private property? Surely not, they must confuse us with travellers. Why next they'll say we cause road traffic offences and abuse children when we know it's only travellers do that stuff.

buried

Nothing you can do about all that OP. What you can do is be yourself and show your Canadian mates/acquaintences that there are actually Irish people that don't make a continuous habit or knack of making a drunken show of themselves

ComfortKid

Deleted User wrote:

You mean the Irish drink and cause huge damage to private property? Surely not, they must confuse us with travellers. Why next they'll say we cause road traffic offences and abuse children when we know it's only travellers do that stuff.

Conor you seem to be obsessed with travellers. No one on this thread mentioned them but you have two big posts fighting with yourself over them.

Every country has there fair share of dickheads that give their country a bad name. I met a real nasty shower of Dutch scumbags on my travels before.

English holiday makers are famous for being drunken yobs.

I'd say Irish are the worst of the lot because of the amount of alcohol we drink.

yesto24

NotCominBack wrote: »

Wouldnt be the Dubs, are these from the bog?

Actually that's funny. What promoted me to start this was a pissed gob****e dub at the bar today telling anyone who would listen and a lot who weren't that you would never beat the IRA.

No it is across the country .

And yes I was in the pub in the afternoon. I went there after work for some food and a drink. I will not act rude or loud now or later.

Let me clear up the first post its not all Irish its just a minority. A big minority. A loud and rude minority. But they are ruining it for the rest of us.

Wright

yesto24 wrote: »

So I am living out of the country for nearly the last year and have settled for now in western Canada.
It's good, the people are nice and the society works. The politicians are as thick as are and the economy is heading for a bust like ours did but that's for another forum.
So I spend a lot of me free time in pubs. Have got to know a lot of people in the bar trade and observed a lot.
Make no mistake Irish people are wearing out the welcome we had. I know this has been coved about Australia already, I have never been to Australia or witnessed this so could not comment. But for here in Edmonton I have seen it and it pisses me off.
So after hours what is it that makes the paddys act the **** abroad?
And no I do not hate my country or my fellow Irishman before that is thrown at me by a rabid patriot. I do hate assholes and people who play up the stage Irish paddy.

Being a lad is perceived as being a positive thing with our youngest generation especially. Had two of them around me recently for an extended period of time. They thought they were the funniest thing. Always drinking or talking about drinking and their hangovers.

Utter gobsheens.

buried

ComfortKid wrote: »

Conor you seem to be obsessed with travellers. No one on this thread mentioned them but you have two big posts fighting with yourself over them.

Every country has there fair share of dickheads that give their country a bad name. I met a real nasty shower of Dutch scumbags on my travels before.

English holiday makers are famous for being drunken yobs.

I'd say Irish are the worst of the lot because of the amount of alcohol we drink.

But whose fault is that? We got a heavy racket/lobby group here on this island called the vintner federation who demand their racket be state sanctioned protected, advertised and functioned as the only mainstream social outlet for our community. It is not the Irish peoples fault. Its the fault and cowardice of successive governmental policy and the greediness for their electoral fundage.

Uriel.

yesto24 wrote: »

So I am living out of the country for nearly the last year and have settled for now in western Canada.
It's good, the people are nice and the society works. The politicians are as thick as are and the economy is heading for a bust like ours did but that's for another forum.
So I spend a lot of me free time in pubs. Have got to know a lot of people in the bar trade and observed a lot.
Make no mistake Irish people are wearing out the welcome we had. I know this has been coved about Australia already, I have never been to Australia or witnessed this so could not comment. But for here in Edmonton I have seen it and it pisses me off.
So after hours what is it that makes the paddys act the **** abroad?
And no I do not hate my country or my fellow Irishman before that is thrown at me by a rabid patriot. I do hate assholes and people who play up the stage Irish paddy.

The question I would have is whether the "paddies" are acting the **** abroad, or whether they are acting like they would be at home, but such actions just don't fit into the relevant culture in which they presently find themselves..?

ComfortKid

ComfortKid wrote: »

Conor you seem to be obsessed with travellers. No one on this thread mentioned them but you have two big posts fighting with yourself over them.

Every country has there fair share of dickheads that give their country a bad name. I met a real nasty shower of Dutch scumbags on my travels before.

English holiday makers are famous for being drunken yobs.

I'd say Irish are the worst of the lot because of the amount of alcohol we drink.

Not in the least bit obsessed. Amused that the sins that are thrown at us abroad are the ones we throw at a certain community here while being outraged that anyone would say it about us. We are the drunken fighting Irish, do you not think it's a tad unfair of us to turn around and ascribe those characteristics to a sub group?

Vic_08

Deleted User wrote: »

You mean the Irish drink and cause huge damage to private property? Surely not, they must confuse us with travellers. Why next they'll say we cause road traffic offences and abuse children when we know it's only travellers do that stuff.

Why are you banging on about travellers? Is it some weird form of Tourettes?

I can't say I'm surprised by any of these reports, it is exactly the same way a lot of Irish act at home. They are "on the piss" so anything goes, can be seen every weekend in every town in Ireland so what else is going to happen when these same **** fly off somewhere else?

circadian

Edmonton is a good place to and make decent cash for a year or two, provided you're willing to put in some hard graft.

This is more likely to attract people with that intention who in turn don't care about behaving as they'll be away soon.

If you aren't working in the energy/construction sector there I'd suggest heading elsewhere if it bothers you. Also, winter is coming.

ComfortKid

Deleted User wrote:

Not in the least bit obsessed. Amused that the sins that are thrown at us abroad are the ones we throw at a certain community here while being outraged that anyone would say it about us. We are the drunken fighting Irish, do you not think it's a tad unfair of us to turn around and ascribe those characteristics to a sub group?

In fairness, most travellers I know don't drink at all, at least not as much as us settled folk. They do love to fight though, which you can't deny, surley?

yesto24

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

I worked in Australia for a couple of years in my 20s. I was working with a "Big 4" firm so it wasn't your typical working holiday visa experience.

When I first started, what really pi$$ed me off, was a lot of my Australian colleagues' stereotypical views of the "paddies". After a few months out there, I wouldn't even bother trying to defend the Irish, because to be frank, the Aussies were right.

This post is amusing. I was in the pub last Thursday talking with the barman. This barman is Canadian he had a visa for Ireland and spent 6 months working in galway as a barman.
Anyway he was telling me the Irish, as far as a lot of his bartrade colleagues think now, are worse than the Australians for drinking rudeness and arrogant behaviour.

Anyway I started the thread as a bit of a rant. I could tell some stories of what I have seen but that's not the point.
I am really just wondering why they do it? They don't behave as badly back in Ireland.
Why do they think this behaviour is OK?

Vic_08

Vic_08 wrote: »

Why are you banging on about travellers? Is it some weird form of Tourettes?

You seem upset by the reference.

Are they drinkers and fighters? Is this touching a nerve or something? You are the second poster to get upset by the fact that I merely point out that what others see in us, we see in a certain minority of us.

newacc2015

No everyone acts the ****. There is plenty of highly skilled Irish working in the City, NYC, SF etc. We are the second most presented nationality on boards of directors in the City. A lot of us are doing incredibly well for ourselves, you just dont see it in the media. The highly educated and hard working, dont have time for a holiday visa in Oz. They did an employable degree in college and got the job they deserve.

Honestly when you move abroad for work, the best thing you can do is not hang out in Irish bar and just spend time with Irish. I find Dubliners dont have a need to go to Irish bars and only have Irish friends, like people from the country seem to do. Dubliners on J1s tend to be fairly different to the country crowd on J1s

Pedro K

yesto24 wrote: »

This post is amusing. I was in the pub last Thursday talking with the barman. This batman is Canadian he had a visa for Ireland and spent 6 months working in galway as a barman.
Anyway he was telling me the Irish, as far as a lot of his bartrade colleagues think now, are worse than the Australians for drinking rudeness and arrogant behaviour.

Anyway I started the thread as a bit of a rant. I could tell some stories of what I have seen but that's not the point.
I an really just wondering why they do it? They don't behave as badly back in Ireland.
Why do they think this behaviour is OK?

Why so serious, ey? I'm not your buddy, friend!

buried

yesto24 wrote: »

This post is amusing. I was in the pub last Thursday talking with the barman. This batman is Canadian he had a visa for Ireland and spent 6 months working in galway as a barman.
Anyway he was telling me the Irish, as far as a lot of his bartrade colleagues think now, are worse than the Australians for drinking rudeness and arrogant behaviour.

Anyway I started the thread as a bit of a rant. I could tell some stories of what I have seen but that's not the point.
I an really just wondering why they do it? They don't behave as badly back in Ireland.
Why do they think this behaviour is OK?

The heavily State sponsored advertising for the Irish identity to be associated with booze. That's why they do it. That "identity" produces a twisted notion of "Irishness", I mean, how could it not? What other nation brings the "leader of the free world" AKA the president of the United States to publicly down a pint of Guinness in a dingy pub and this event is a "celebration" ? Nowhere except here.

yesto24

circadian wrote: »

Edmonton is a good place to and make decent cash for a year or two, provided you're willing to put in some hard graft.

This is more likely to attract people with that intention who in turn don't care about behaving as they'll be away soon.

If you aren't working in the energy/construction sector there I'd suggest heading elsewhere if it bothers you. Also, winter is coming.

Oh I know that. I have been here a year and quite like the winter.
I work with one of Albertas finest.
An alco by anyones definition, a long arrest record and gets into a lot of fights.
The thing is I would rather go drinking with him than these Irish gob****es I am talking about.
I am just wondering why these people don't try to fit in to the country they moved to? It's not about denying who you are its more about being a guest in a country and adapting to where you are.
Has Ireland raised a bunch of assholes? And where do these attitudes come from?

yesto24

Pedro K wrote: »

Why so serious, ey? I'm not your buddy, friend!

Already corrected.
And its eh.

yesto24

newacc2015 wrote: »

No everyone acts the ****. There is plenty of highly skilled Irish working in the City, NYC, SF etc. We are the second most presented nationality on boards of directors in the City. A lot of us are doing incredibly well for ourselves, you just dont see it in the media. The highly educated and hard working, dont have time for a holiday visa in Oz. They did an employable degree in college and got the job they deserve.

Honestly when you move abroad for work, the best thing you can do is not hang out in Irish bar and just spend time with Irish. I find Dubliners dont have a need to go to Irish bars and only have Irish friends, like people from the country seem to do. Dubliners on J1s tend to be fairly different to the country crowd on J1s

I know and would give the same advice to any traveler don't hang around an Irish bar.
I didn't and don't. I got to meet Canadians and other nationalities by doing so.
Irish bars can be fun but not full-time.
My main problem is that this reflects badly on all of us.
As explained earlier I am more wondering why this attitude persists?
Maybe I didn't notice it as much at home.

Playboy

I dont come across it much in London to be honest and I have been here 8 years. Dont really hear people complaining about it either. I think it may be because a lot of Irish come to work in London with the intention of starting a career. I think you have problems in the U.S, Aus and Canada because people go on visa's for a year or two which seems to be an excuse to have an extended drunken holiday.

yesto24

Playboy wrote: »

I dont come across it much in London to be honest and I have been here 8 years. Dont really hear people complaining about it either. I think it may be because a lot of Irish come to work in London with the intention of starting a career. I think you have problems in the U.S, Aus and Canada because people go on visa's for a year or two which seems to be an excuse to have an extended drunken holiday.

I did think that was a reason for it but a lot or nearly all the Irish here would be looking to stay permanently.

the evasion_kid

Got sick of them in Toronto and new York,a mate of mine told me "watch out for your own kind"....how right he was.

batistuta9

Uriel. wrote: »

The question I would have is whether the "paddies" are acting the **** abroad, or whether they are acting like they would be at home, but such actions just don't fit into the relevant culture in which they presently find themselves..?

most likely. no one bats an eyelid here

a constant state of 'holiday mode' adding to it as well

riffmongous

Other than being everyone's favourite ethic group, I never noticed anything special about the Irish people in Austria, poor integrators alright but no worse than other English speakers.

chrissb8

I get more annoyed when you see Irish people abroad looking and taking the mick out of things around them because it's weird or abnormal to them so the only thing they can do instead of appreciating or trying to find out about it is look and laugh or look perplexed.

This occurred to me in Budapest where there was a delightful local dance festival going on and instead of looking at the goddamn thing and taking it in "the lads" mimicked the dance moves and laughed among each other. Idiots like that should never leave Ireland. Also I think if you live in a society and make no attempt of integration it's a waste of time going to another country. As for the booze thing I think alot of it is done to the fact that alot of tradesmen are going to these countries and in general they tend to love benders with the lads. Also the thing about country folk being different to Dublin folk as regards drinking. Very very true in my mind.

R.D. aka MR.D

There are annoying people from every nationality. I understand that it might lead to people not wanting to rent to Irish people or give Irish people jobs but has anyone stopped for a minute a thought about how terrible that is?

Why judge a whole nationality at the one time?

Yes, Irish people shouldn't act up abroad but people shouldn't tar everyone with the same stick either.

I met a guy from 'Belfast' in China last year and he was acting the big man for all the Americans and I just told him to cop himself on. He shut up after that. The only thing that you can do if you encounter Irish people abroad that you don't like, do the same as you would if those same people were at home. Be that avoid them or tell them to cop on.

If people are judging you as a group then that's the problem of the small minded person doing the judging.

crockholm

I have to laugh at how delusional at least 3 posters on this thread are regards etiquette between Dubs and non-Dubs with the implication that the dubs are altogether more civilized/less rowdy.Only last night,my local pub suffered a pit stop from Dubliners on a stag party who managed somehow to convince themselves that they were great craic altogether by shouting English soccer chants to a young girl serving behind the counter.Just because you are from the biggest village in Ireland doesn''t automatically give you a greater sense of decorum than your country neighbours.

Years ago,I used to do a bit of Doorwork in Killarney,and my impression was that Irish people,when on holidays seem to think that the normal codes of etiquette are suspended whilst on holiday-they do a hell of a lot of things they wouldn't dare do in their local.So,unfortunately,when I hear Irish accents in a pub in Stockholm,my gut reaction is to stay quiet and keep speaking Swedish to the barman,at least until you get to see how they act after a few pints.

dreamers75

Last 25 years or so I have the had privilge of going all over Europe with St Pats fans and we have had ****ing brilliant trips. A group of up to 200 people on the piss for 3 days and we have never had a single issue with anyone.


Can only assume emigration wnkers are just that wnkers.

osarusan

When i lived in Japan, I worked with a lot of people from all parts of the English speaking world.

I think that being away from their own country - especially if the stay abroad is a temporary one in the sense that they will eventually return home and leave their expat life behind them - does result in some people feeling they are free to unleash their inner tosser.

It certainly isn't limited to the Irish though.

crockholm

crockholm wrote: »

I have to laugh at how delusional at least 3 posters on this thread are regards etiquette between Dubs and non-Dubs with the implication that the dubs are altogether more civilized/less rowdy...

Dubs on holiday should be avoided at all costs.

If the source is 2 or 3 middle aged men with moustaches, bottle blonde wives and kids going feral in the hotel bar the early hours of the night, run, throw yourself out the window, anything to get out of there.

NotCominBack

Lol, we have a doorman, a barman, and an op who hangs around in pubs in his spare time, perspective may be slightly askew

Wompa1

Haven't met any Irish where I am. I don't go out to Irish pubs, though...maybe there are some here. Not sure.

I've been to San Diego a few times. The Irish students have definitely got a bad reputation there.

Was talking to a lad in Sydney that was born and raised there. He said there was an Irish pub called Scruffy Murphys that had a reputation for being the place to go to pull easy Irish 'chicks'. When I was in Australia, the Irish hadn't worn out their welcome yet...not sure if it's true or not but it seems like they may have by now according to the people on this site.

I was only there for 2 weeks. The amount of stories about racially charged attacks was unreal. Mostly young Muslim men. I didn't expect that. I had an Asian Taxi Driver and asked him about the abuse...he started telling me stories and said the Australians are bad people. An Australian lad I met in Ireland told me they have a special hatred for the Lebanese...

I'd hate to be there when\if their economy tanks. I'd bet due to the sheer numbers of Irish there to work. They will become a prime target.

skittles8710

Was over in Liverpool last week, now I know it's a haven for stag partys but the behaviour of some Irish lads in the pubs was ridiculously messy and embarrassing. In one pub we were in they dropped and smashed 5 glasses in the space of a half hour. They were really obnoxious to all the women intimidating them and wouldn't take no for an answer.

Some eejits think hopping on a plane gives them the right to act like idiots.

**** that, go out drink your brains out and if the locals don't like it f*ck them, they don't know what craic is.

tonycascarino

For a lot of these Irish abroad it's the first time away from mammy and daddy so they think they can do what they like. Also nowadays any type of Irish person can afford a plane ticket abroad so of course you will get knackerish behaviour.

osarusan

Madeleine Raspy Shrapnel wrote: »

**** that, go out drink your brains out and if the locals don't like it f*ck them, they don't know what craic is.

:rolleyes:

if the locals dont like it f*ck them


Such an (unsurprisingly) ignorant attitute to take.

Liamario

It's the drinking culture in this country of a specific age group. The government haven't done enough (anything) to reign it in.

Streetwalker

Look at those people over there having fun, the cheek of them.

martingriff

buried wrote: »

But whose fault is that? We got a heavy racket/lobby group here on this island called the vintner federation who demand their racket be state sanctioned protected, advertised and functioned as the only mainstream social outlet for our community. It is not the Irish peoples fault. Its the fault and cowardice of successive governmental policy and the greediness for their electoral fundage.

Bulls^$t who is to blame its the people who act that way. You have responsibiliy so take it and stop blaming everyone else. THAT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM HERE ITS ALLWAYS SOMEONE ELSE

lertsnim

martingriff wrote: »

Bulls^$t who is to blame its the people who act that way. You have responsibiliy so take it and stop blaming everyone else. THAT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM HERE ITS ALLWAYS SOMEONE ELSE

Absolutely. What ever happened to personal responsibility?

ihavenoname3

buried wrote: »

But whose fault is that? We got a heavy racket/lobby group here on this island called the vintner federation who demand their racket be state sanctioned protected, advertised and functioned as the only mainstream social outlet for our community. It is not the Irish peoples fault. Its the fault and cowardice of successive governmental policy and the greediness for their electoral fundage.

no one forces people to drink, we have to stop blaming the government for everything in this country.

Liamario

Liamario wrote: »

It's the drinking culture in this country of a specific age group. The government haven't done enough (anything) to reign it in.

The 15-75 year old group?

Let's face it, the drinking and fighting thing was going on for decades. I remember fights in the local disco with knuckle dusters back in the 80s. And then everyone drove home rotten.