Price Changes 2015/2016

ElTel

LucidLife wrote: »

What are the benefits of using it a DGW in your mind?

The 4,5.6.... guys in your 15 man squad (if you plan it in advance) will have 2 fixtures.
That chip and the triple captain I will hold for such weeks. We should have at least 2 of them in a season.

LucidLife

ElTel wrote: »

Please save your bench boost for a DGW.
I'm hoping you meant to say AOA chip.

I mean surely a prospect with a DGW would be fielded not on bench. And you won't have 15 guys playing a DGW, you could but you won't.

Because what if the two DGW teams didn't include Man City and say Arsenal, would you triple up on Sunderland rather than play Sanchez/Bellerin?

Likewise say triple up on Villa for their DGW and be forced to drop Aguero and Kolorov.

And not to mention you would require a DGW for 6 clubs which you would have to field 15/15 from those 6 games vs the rest of us who have those 6 plus interests in 6 or 7 more games perhaps.

LucidLife

RossieMan wrote: »

Youll get double the points for 2 games.

You misread the post you replied to

LucidLife

ElTel wrote: »

The 4,5.6.... guys in your 15 man squad (if you plan it in advance) will have 2 fixtures.
That chip and the triple captain I will hold for such weeks. We should have at least 2 of them in a season.

If you field 15 players with a DGW and beat my score the same week I will be shocked but I have been before ha ha

ElTel

LucidLife wrote: »

I mean surely a prospect with a DGW would be fielded not on bench. And you won't have 15 guys playing a DGW, you could but you won't.

Because what if the two DGW teams didn't include Man City and say Arsenal, would you triple up on Sunderland rather than play Sanchez/Bellerin?

Likewise say triple up on Villa for their DGW and be forced to drop Aguero and Kolorov.

And not to mention you would require a DGW for 6 clubs which you would have to field 15/15 from those 6 games vs the rest of us who have those 6 plus interests in 6 or 7 more games perhaps.

All I'm saying is you will have guys who will get counted for 2 matches in a single GW. I don't think you get how it could work for you.
Just say in a particular DGW Arsenal have an extra game i.e there are at least 11 matches in that GW you could TC sanchez say.
Say in another DGW there are 3 extra games meaning 6 teams play twice you could use your bench boost and it doesn't matter if you list them as subs or not because your entire 15 count.
I am probably missing your point but imo it is a mistake to use those two chips in a normal GW unless it means collecting money prises for monthly/quarterly leagues

jimmii

LucidLife wrote: »

I mean surely a prospect with a DGW would be fielded not on bench. And you won't have 15 guys playing a DGW, you could but you won't.

Because what if the two DGW teams didn't include Man City and say Arsenal, would you triple up on Sunderland rather than play Sanchez/Bellerin?

Likewise say triple up on Villa for their DGW and be forced to drop Aguero and Kolorov.

And not to mention you would require a DGW for 6 clubs which you would have to field 15/15 from those 6 games vs the rest of us who have those 6 plus interests in 6 or 7 more games perhaps.

Using bench boost for a DGW means you don't have to bench decent players that have one good fixture which you often end up doing during a mid sized or large DGW. We have the LC final in GW27 then the FA Cup pops up for GW30 & 35 throw in a bit of bad weather and there is the potential for some decent DGWs next year where the bench boost could be very valuable.

jimmii

ElTel wrote: »

All I'm saying is you will have guys who will get counted for 2 matches in a single GW. I don't think you get how it could work for you.
Just say in a particular DGW Arsenal have an extra game i.e there are at least 11 matches in that GW you could TC sanchez say.
Say in another DGW there are 3 extra games meaning 6 teams play twice you could use your bench boost and it doesn't matter if you list them as subs or not because your entire 15 count.
I am probably missing your point but imo it is a mistake to use those two chips in a normal GW unless it means collecting money prises for monthly/quarterly leagues

I think the point is basically that during a DGW your bench is about as good value as it is during any other week so it doesn't matter if you use it during a DGW or not. Its kind of true as normally we all have benches that we would normally expect to score <10 points (assuming we even have a playing bench!) imo the benefit in keeping it for a DGW is that sometimes you end up being in a position where you bench a decent player with a decent fixture who you would never bench in a normal week but do so as it allows you to play a poorish player who plays twice.

ElTel

jimmii wrote: »

I think the point is basically that during a DGW your bench is about as good value as it is during any other week so it doesn't matter if you use it during a DGW or not. Its kind of true as normally we all have benches that we would normally expect to score <10 points (assuming we even have a playing bench!) imo the benefit in keeping it for a DGW is that sometimes you end up being in a position where you bench a decent player with a decent fixture who you would never bench in a normal week but do so as it allows you to play a poorish player who plays twice.

Fair point my man and apologies for my pedantic post.
I have played this game mostly from a position of catch up for all the years and planning 2 or 3 GWs before a DGW is my usual style.
But these new chips have us all re-evaluating and changing styles.

LucidLife

jimmii wrote: »

I think the point is basically that during a DGW your bench is about as good value as it is during any other week so it doesn't matter if you use it during a DGW or not. Its kind of true as normally we all have benches that we would normally expect to score <10 points (assuming we even have a playing bench!) imo the benefit in keeping it for a DGW is that sometimes you end up being in a position where you bench a decent player with a decent fixture who you would never bench in a normal week but do so as it allows you to play a poorish player who plays twice.

Yeah but I would argue if you let a situation like a good player going to be sitting on your bench surprise you like that, well then that's just ones bad planning.

The only players that end up on your team are ones you chose. You put them there. They didn't just end up there.

We can only wait and see but like I say I will be shocked if ye find that strategy advantageous, admittedly at first that two was my plan but a GW with 15 solid players has be yield better on average when all is said and done.

DarraghF197

I think it may be worth using your bench boost outside of a double GW because of a few things. Sometimes we have one or two players that don't start anymore or are injured/suspended. These guys tend to fill up half your bench. You could potentially be waiting for that DGW only to have one or two extra players on the bench. Then there's the case where all fifteen players have good fixtures for the upcoming GW which usually occurs after wildcarding. There's also what Lucid said above. I don't really fancy gambling on waiting for that one week where nothing is certain. I'll still most likely save my chip for a DGW, but I can see an argument against it.

As for Triple Captain, definitely a DGW imo! Way too risky relying on 90 minutes of play for so many points.

jimmii

ElTel wrote: »

Fair point my man and apologies for my pedantic post.
I have played this game mostly from a position of catch up for all the years and planning 2 or 3 GWs before a DGW is my usual style.
But these new chips have us all re-evaluating and changing styles.

Yeh its hard to know what is best! Its only going to be at the end of the season we know which was the best option one of the annoying things about this game!!

ElTel

DarraghF197 wrote: »

I think it may be worth using your bench boost outside of a double GW because of a few things. Sometimes we have one or two players that don't start anymore or are injured/suspended. These guys tend to fill up half your bench. You could potentially be waiting for that DGW only to have one or two extra players on the bench. Then there's the case where all fifteen players have good fixtures for the upcoming GW which usually occurs after wildcarding. There's also what Lucid said above. I don't really fancy gambling on waiting for that one week where nothing is certain. I'll still most likely save my chip for a DGW, but I can see an argument against it.

As for Triple Captain, definitely a DGW imo! Way too risky relying on 90 minutes of play for so many points.

If you can plan for a monster DGW boost and use your WC to re-balance afterwards it could be seriously tasty.

jimmii

LucidLife wrote: »

Yeah but I would argue if you let a situation like a good player going to be sitting on your bench surprise you like that, well then that's just ones bad planning.

The only players that end up on your team are ones you chose. You put them there. They didn't just end up there.

We can only wait and see but like I say I will be shocked if ye find that strategy advantageous, admittedly at first that two was my plan but a GW with 15 solid players has be yield better on average when all is said and done.

Its not always within your control though there are just times you end up in that position. I think in the long term its likely to be quite marginal it just depends on what happens with the fixtures and whether we get any freak weeks.

MarkSRFC21

LucidLife wrote: »

Yeah but I would argue if you let a situation like a good player going to be sitting on your bench surprise you like that, well then that's just ones bad planning.

The only players that end up on your team are ones you chose. You put them there. They didn't just end up there.

We can only wait and see but like I say I will be shocked if ye find that strategy advantageous, admittedly at first that two was my plan but a GW with 15 solid players has be yield better on average when all is said and done.

If you use it in a normal week, the players in your squad effectively play 16 games. If some big hitters have a Dgw, and we end up with a monster Dgw like gw34 last year, and you plan with a wildcard, using the bench boost could mean your squad has 32 games in a single gw. A ceiling that high could be very useful if your chasing leagues towards the end of the season, and I'd be fairly sure that would outscore using it during a normal week.

jimmii

ElTel wrote: »

If you can plan for a monster DGW boost and use your WC to re-balance afterwards it could be seriously tasty.

That would be the ideal scenario. If you could create a situation where you have 2FTs going into the DGW and can engineer a large DGW squad then using your WC to fix the mess you just created that could work. It would depend on the fixtures of the DGW though which is obviously an important variable some seasons those juicy DGWs where it would work just don't crop up I am planning on holding too so hopefully this isn't one of those years!

jimmii

MarkSRFC21 wrote: »

If you use it in a normal week, the players in your squad effectively play 16 games. If some big hitters have a Dgw, and we end up with a monster Dgw like gw34 last year, and you plan with a wildcard, using the bench boost could mean your squad has 32 games in a single gw. A ceiling that high could be very useful if your chasing leagues towards the end of the season, and I'd be fairly sure that would outscore using it during a normal week.

It all just comes down to the fixtures at the end of the day. We're not going to know what was best until its too late! Can you imagine a 32 game squad wow that would be a fun week (until you score 50 points and wonder wtf just happened!!)

MarkSRFC21

jimmii wrote: »

It all just comes down to the fixtures at the end of the day. We're not going to know what was best until its too late! Can you imagine a 32 game squad wow that would be a fun week (until you score 50 points and wonder wtf just happened!!)

Absolutely down to fixtures, theoretically there could be no dgw's at all this season, but I think it's definitely best to wait and see

jimmii

MarkSRFC21 wrote: »

Absolutely down to fixtures, theoretically there could be no dgw's at all this season, but I think it's definitely best to wait and see

Yuck that would be so dirty! Imagine its all Championship teams in the LC Final and FA Cup Quarters the bookies would clear up!!

shineon23

Down:
Redmond, Nathan
Tettey, Alexander

LucidLife

jimmii wrote: »

It all just comes down to the fixtures at the end of the day. We're not going to know what was best until its too late! Can you imagine a 32 game squad wow that would be a fun week (until you score 50 points and wonder wtf just happened!!)

Yup, I had a full DGW team last season. It won me my league last season. But that was different, we knew early and never had chips. Ultimately previous seasons are not really like this season so we are all on a blank slate regarding chips this season.

Maybe someone can open a thread about chips and we can talk there rather than wreck this thread. I think it merits discussion, and discussion amongst some folk here often is accurate as history has proven.

The WC option is something to consider though and if you managed that then it really could pay off but too long away to attach such potentially precious moves. I mean I feel you would have to suffer during the period between, and I think personally you would suffer quite a bit and at least may have been able avoid it if you weren't holding your WC.

The WC is something boardsies normally get right. Even if everyone WC's different GW's more often we share good results. I know there might be massive potential, but there may be very little too ultimately, and while the massive potential is sometimes worth an affordable risk, this idea assumes you either know in advance and bring in these DGW guys or last minute buy 10 new players. It's going to cost you 40 points to bring in this squad for a full DGW no matter when you get them.

If you had 3 players from one squad in a normal GW, as in any previous to the DGW then you would be nervous right? Anyone ever played a few GW's with 3 players from two squads? That's more than half of your playing eleven any given GW. You best believe you generally start all 3 if you buy them. What I am getting at is it either causes suffering and point hits slowly or a big -40ish and your WC.

Again, start a thread. We should get opinions. I know too that everyone is in their own unique situation but there are generalities we find here and have exploited before. These chips could be the downfall for many if used incorrectly?

Iused2likebusts

MarkSRFC21 wrote: »

If you use it in a normal week, the players in your squad effectively play 16 games. If some big hitters have a Dgw, and we end up with a monster Dgw like gw34 last year, and you plan with a wildcard, using the bench boost could mean your squad has 32 games in a single gw. A ceiling that high could be very useful if your chasing leagues towards the end of the season, and I'd be fairly sure that would outscore using it during a normal week.

You only get 4 extra players by playing it in a dgw. I'm assuming you manage to get your full squad of 15 with dgws.
If I play it in a sgw I get 15 players and then in a dgw I have my 11 players playing twice so that's 22. All in I have 37 players.
Let's say you play it in a dgw. The sgw you get 11 players and then in the dgw you get 15 players playing twice so that's 30. All in you have 41 players.
I agree with lucidlife a thread on the chips would be useful as Im not sure things are as straightforward as we assume.

FutureGuy

guys back on topic please.

machiavellianme

Blast, redmond dropped. Missed out on pocketing my gains on him.

shineon23

Up:
Petr Cech

Down:
Joe Gomez

ElTel

LucidLife wrote: »

Yup, I had a full DGW team last season. It won me my league last season. But that was different, we knew early and never had chips. Ultimately previous seasons are not really like this season so we are all on a blank slate regarding chips this season.

Maybe someone can open a thread about chips and we can talk there rather than wreck this thread. I think it merits discussion, and discussion amongst some folk here often is accurate as history has proven.

The WC option is something to consider though and if you managed that then it really could pay off but too long away to attach such potentially precious moves. I mean I feel you would have to suffer during the period between, and I think personally you would suffer quite a bit and at least may have been able avoid it if you weren't holding your WC.

The WC is something boardsies normally get right. Even if everyone WC's different GW's more often we share good results. I know there might be massive potential, but there may be very little too ultimately, and while the massive potential is sometimes worth an affordable risk, this idea assumes you either know in advance and bring in these DGW guys or last minute buy 10 new players. It's going to cost you 40 points to bring in this squad for a full DGW no matter when you get them.

If you had 3 players from one squad in a normal GW, as in any previous to the DGW then you would be nervous right? Anyone ever played a few GW's with 3 players from two squads? That's more than half of your playing eleven any given GW. You best believe you generally start all 3 if you buy them. What I am getting at is it either causes suffering and point hits slowly or a big -40ish and your WC.

Again, start a thread. We should get opinions. I know too that everyone is in their own unique situation but there are generalities we find here and have exploited before. These chips could be the downfall for many if used incorrectly?

Think I'm getting you now and the chip thread is def. one I'll follow admittedly a week late.
Can we call "the stress assoc. with a DGW before and after" the Lucidity Factor in honour of the discussion's originator?

FHFC

Scorpion Sting wrote: »

Didn't Jovetic go up .3 last season after having dropped .1 during the gameweek.

Give that man a biscuit.....



24th August was the Sunday night, 27th, 28th, 29th were Wed, Thurs and Friday.

jimmii

If we ever have an FSA Pub Quiz I want Scorpion on my team that is ridiculous recall!

Scorpion Sting

Well there you go, knew some player had managed it and Jovetic sprung to mind.

jimmii

Scorpion Sting wrote: »

Well there you go, knew some player had managed it and Jovetic sprung to mind.

Of all the players its bizarre it was him who did it! I would have thought the most likely scenario for a 4 change week was a heavy hitter going up .3 and then getting injured and dropping .1 surprisingly its someone pretty random like him and that it was a drop then rises.

jimmii

FHFC wrote: »

Give that man a biscuit.....



24th August was the Sunday night, 27th, 28th, 29th were Wed, Thurs and Friday.

It would have been interesting if the rises had happened earlier in the week to see if he would have got a 4th rise.

PARlance

Remember the 3 rises but didn't think he dropped just before. It always helps remember when you had the player!

Think he was the only fully fit City striker at the time...doubts over Aguero.

He blanked after the 0.3 too They lost to Stoke. I seem to recall a certain Mr. P was quite annoyed having put him in for GW1 but transferred him out for the Liverpool brace, back in for the Stoke blank iirc.

Iused2likebusts

PARlance wrote: »

Remember the 3 rises but didn't think he dropped just before. It always helps remember when you had the player!

Think he was the only fully fit City striker at the time...doubts over Aguero.

He blanked after the 0.3 too They lost to Stoke. I seem to recall a certain Mr. P was quite annoyed having put him in for GW1 but transferred him out for the Liverpool brace, back in for the Stoke blank iirc.

A few of us wildcarded because of jovetic and took out injury doubt Costa who then scored 5 in his next 2 games. We also got balotelli in. That was an early price chasing wildcarded that went terribly wrong.

km79

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

A few of us wildcarded because of jovetic and took out injury doubt Costa who then scored 5 in his next 2 games. We also got balotelli in. That was an early price chasing wildcarded that went terribly wrong.

yes indeed
I also captained jovetic I think before selling him
and then captained balotelli after selling Costa
dark dark days

shineon23

That was actually a good week for me,
I got jovetic's 2 goals and sold him for Aguero
(either sold Jov early at 8.0 before he dropped or banked .1 when eventually rose)
to have
Costa, Aguero and that flavour of the month Naismith up front for a few rises.

Simpler times, when players actually scored goals for me

Western Pomise

Sorry to give out lads but this thread was easier looked at without all the chatter!......don't want to be seen as backseat modding by the way.

'twas nice when all we saw was who had gone up and down or who was likely to go up or down.

shineon23

Down:
McNair, Patrick

Wombatman

Tonight could see Pelle up and Aguero down. Might be best to pull the trigger this evening if you are thinking about this move.

Ziegler1988

Wombatman wrote: »

Tonight could see Pelle up and Aguero down. Might be best to pull the trigger this evening if you are thinking about this move.

Aguero won't go down tonight, only at -67%. A lot of people's selling price also won't be affected by one drop

OneColdHand

Wombatman wrote: »

Tonight could see Pelle up and Aguero down. Might be best to pull the trigger this evening if you are thinking about this move.

Have been pretty set on Pelle since I heard of the Aguero news. So might just pull the trigger on that one. Team value is relatively low so would be nice make the move before a rise.

shineon23

Up:
Graziano Pelle
Down:
Leon Osman
Charles N'Zogbia

the groutch

jimmii

A picture of Princes Charles and one of Jean Reno in Leon and you've nailed it!!

Fant11

Is KDB rising tonight??

MarkSRFC21

Fant11 wrote: »

Is KDB rising tonight??

More than likely

jimmii

Fant11 wrote: »

Is KDB rising tonight??

Looks likely.

shineon23

OneColdHand wrote: »

Every morning I wake up hoping Mick McCarthy has been incorporated into the price changes thread!

RossieMan wrote: »

I die a little without Mick telling me who's gone up or down.

RichFTW wrote: »

It's just not the same without Mick!

Up:
De Bruyne, Kevin
Bellerín, Héctor



Down:
Koscielny, Laurent
Dyer, Nathan
Sinclair, Scott
Britton, Leon
Jedinak, Mile
O'Kane, Eunan
Depay, Memphis
Traoré, Adama
Ibarbo, Víctor

the groutch

Pelle already up to 39.7%, think we might have a 3rd rise by tomorrow night with him being the most popular replacement for Aguero.

jimmii

the groutch wrote: »

Pelle already up to 39.7%, think we might have a 3rd rise by tomorrow night with him being the most popular replacement for Aguero.

I would imagine a good few are doing what I am planning on doing and waiting until tomorrow to pull the trigger. Anyone who got him at 13 loses nothing when he goes down.

Benimar

jimmii wrote: »

I would imagine a good few are doing what I am planning on doing and waiting until tomorrow to pull the trigger. Anyone who got him at 13 loses nothing when he goes down.

Exactly. Given the rate players are going down injured I'm not making any move till the last possible moment.

ElTel

A Lukaku rise tonight could force my hand on Diouf transfer before tomorrow.