McGregor vs Aldo---December 12th **Main card 3am. Conor v Aldo approx 5am

dave1982

Mellor wrote: »

And Conor would have been quicker to defend. It works both ways.
The reason Mendes didn't attempt it in the first was that he wasn't able to. He got it down, but he wasn't passing at will. It's clearly not true that he "doesn't have much of anything from the ground".

Why do you keep saying stuff bout him having nothing on the ground ? Did I say he didn't ?

Todd Toddington III

Right, as a complete noob and someone who knows not a lot about mma, this is my take on mcgregor mendes. Conor figured mendes knew he could boss mcgregor on the ground, but also knew mendes didn't have the stamina to keep doing takedowns and control from top if mcgregors bjj defence could hold up (which it obviously did). So his combo of strikes to the body and willingness to be taken down and defend from bottom was one of, or the, game plan to gas mendes early for a knockout. Am I talking out my arse??

mdwexford

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Why do you think that?

Mendes had him on the ground for a good bit, so why wouldn't Aldo do the same?

Especially as he knows Conor is lethal standing and doesn't have much of anything from the ground.

dave1982 wrote: »

Why do you keep saying stuff bout him having nothing on the ground ? Did I say he didn't ?

Mellor is referring to this guy. Relax man :cool:

Lukker-

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

Right, as a complete noob and someone who knows not a lot about mma, this is my take on mcgregor mendes. Conor figured mendes knew he could boss mcgregor on the ground, but also knew mendes didn't have the stamina to keep doing takedowns and control from top if mcgregors bjj defence could hold up (which it obviously did). So his combo of strikes to the body and willingness to be taken down and defend from bottom was one of, or the, game plan to gas mendes early for a knockout. Am I talking out my arse??

Slightly.

You never plan to get taken down and hope your opponent gasses. What Conor did well was he was patient and never lost his cool. His takedown defense was poor, but he had the presence of mind under pressure to know he'd have the opportunity to get back to his feet. Once he did he picked him apart. But it definitely wasn't his strategy to let Mendes tire himself out with ground and pound.

Todd Toddington III

Lukker- wrote:

You never plan to get taken down and hope your opponent gasses. What Conor did well was he was patient and never lost his cool. His takedown defense was poor, but he had the presence of mind under pressure to know he'd have the opportunity to get back to his feet. Once he did he picked him apart. But it definitely wasn't his strategy to let Mendes tire himself out with ground and pound.

Thanks for the response. So did the knee injury affect his ability to work on takedown defence? Sorry, stupid question, I guess it would. I presume as part of bjj you learn how to deal with takedowns, would a lack of ability to train affect your defence that much? Or was Chad that good? Cos it kinda looked like mcgregor went down pretty easily to me. And do you guys think aldo is gona attempt something similiar and will conor be able to counter his attempts? btw I love reading what you guys have to say on all this, thanks every1 for the imput on this page

Subcomandante Marcos

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

Thanks for the response. So did the knee injury affect his ability to work on takedown defence? Sorry, stupid question, I guess it would. I presume as part of bjj you learn how to deal with takedowns, would a lack of ability to train affect your defence that much? Or was Chad that good? Cos it kinda looked like mcgregor went down pretty easily to me. And do you guys think aldo is gona attempt something similiar and will conor be able to counter his attempts? btw I love reading what you guys have to say on all this, thanks every1 for the imput on this page

Chad has the most effective takedown game on professionl mma to date. But conors defence was laughable to be honest.

Bjj really doesn't teach against takedowns but it does teach against attacks once you're on the ground which is invaluable.

Todd Toddington III

Just watched a vid on brendan Dormans breakdown on the youtubes on mcgregor switching stances from southpaw to orthodox(?) in training for jose. Sorry I can't link, on my phone. Interesting if true

Deadst4r

Older one (before Mendes) but worth a watch I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brgsSb_Sjn0

Deadst4r

I feel like in the original scheduled fight in July, Jose would have definitely stood up with McGregor. He was riled up and wanted to knock him out, no doubt. Now he has had a break from McGregors antics and will probably be in a different mindset.

Also, having seen how easy it was to take him down and the damage done by Mendes, it would be crazy now for Aldo not to try and submit him or go to ground and pound.

Deadst4r

Interesting if true, source of the article is below the twitter link.. but when translated, it's difficult to understand

https://twitter.com/M_Morgunoff/status/667517485600669696?s=09

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&nv=1&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pt-BR&tl=en&u=http://sportv.globo.com/site/combate/noticia/2015/11/jose-aldo-nega-lesao-em-treinos-e-fala-em-plantar-boato-para-descobrir-x9.html&usg=ALkJrhirq_e8Mh7TGsA8OsscmMnGpGU0Rw

TimRiggins

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Chad has the most effective takedown game on professionl mma to date. But conors defence was laughable to be honest.

Bjj really doesn't teach against takedowns but it does teach against attacks once you're on the ground which is invaluable.

In fairness, he couldn't spar leading up to the fight and was faced with the best takedown artist in the division on 10 days notice.

I'd imagine JK and McGregor expect Jose to try and grapple with him and will be well prepared.

I really don't know how the fights going to go. The longer the fight goes on the better for Aldo, He has the know how in big fights to grind a decision. I don't think Aldo can finish McGregor though, and I do think Conor could finish Aldo, but its a toss up.

Depp

TimRiggins wrote: »

In fairness, he couldn't spar leading up to the fight and was faced with the best takedown artist in the division on 10 days notice.

I'd imagine JK and McGregor expect Jose to try and grapple with him and will be well prepared.

I really don't know how the fights going to go. The longer the fight goes on the better for Aldo, He has the know how in big fights to grind a decision. I don't think Aldo can finish McGregor though, and I do think Conor could finish Aldo, but its a toss up.

I dont really understand how so many people base the mendes fight as evidence conor has no ground game, sure he got taken down but mendes' takedowns are just what he does, hes brilliant at them, but what did he do really once he had him down sure he got in a few nice elbows and gave conor a little cut, but what damage did he do? and did he hold conor on the ground each time? conor used his ground game to escape from bottom which is not easy with someone with top control as good as mendes, the guillotine escape was a thing of beauty aswel, pity it was such a subtle detail

JustTheOne

Depp wrote: »

I dont really understand how so many people base the mendes fight as evidence conor has no ground game, sure he got taken down but mendes' takedowns are just what he does, hes brilliant at them, but what did he do really once he had him down sure he got in a few nice elbows and gave conor a little cut, but what damage did he do? and did he hold conor on the ground each time? conor used his ground game to escape from bottom which is not easy with someone with top control as good as mendes, the guillotine escape was a thing of beauty aswel, pity it was such a subtle detail

Mendes bjj and aldos are a world apart.

ASOT

JustTheOne wrote: »

Mendes bjj and aldos are a world apart.

So are there wrestling skills.

Mellor

JustTheOne wrote: »

Mendes bjj and aldos are a world apart.

BJJ is one aspect of ground fighting but its not the only one. Wrestling isn't just takedowns.

JustTheOne

Mellor wrote: »

BJJ is one aspect of ground fighting but its not the only one. Wrestling isn't just takedowns.

But the ability to submit someone on the ground surely is more suited to bjj no?

JoeyJJ

Josh Barnett would disagree with that, however that is catch wrestling, which is a bit different I believe. Love his subs.

JustTheOne

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Josh Barnett would disagree with that, however that is catch wrestling, which is a bit different I believe. Love his subs.

So would aldo or Mendes have the same ability to sub you on the ground?

JoeyJJ

Well Chad has 12% of wins through sub and Aldo has 8%. 86% of people know facts can be used to proove any random ****.

Subcomandante Marcos

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Well Chad has 12% of wins through sub and Aldo has 8%. 86% of people know facts can be used to proove any random ****.

Aldo doesn't take it to the ground because he doesn't have to, not because he can't. He's a brazilian and world champion in two grappling styles, he's one of the top tier BJJ players in MMA.

JoeyJJ

Yeah hence my bit at the end, however what is interesting is Aldo has lost to a sub. However next move will be because he started out fighting higher level BJJ people than chad. As I said facts are factual however not an indication and can be taken out of context.

What I believe, Conor will be better at takedown defence than before, his balance is exceptional you only need to see the tests he done in a college in us previously. I believe Aldo doesn't have a double in him like Chad and Conor will be better defensively against a single and in the clinch.

Conor shot selection is what I was worried about when watching live in MGM v Chad, I wanted him to be more cautious v Aldo, make him pay to get close.

Mr_Muffin

Stupid question time.

Is it safe to say that in the training camps leading into a big fight they would completely abstain from alcohol - Not even an odd drink here and there?

Subcomandante Marcos

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

Stupid question time.

Is it safe to say that in the training camps leading into a big fight they would completely abstain from alcohol - Not even an odd drink here and there?

No. They are training, not becoming hermits. They'd still have some sort of outside life. But they wouldn't be going mad.

Except for cowboy, he drinks like a fish.

Mellor

JustTheOne wrote: »

But the ability to submit someone on the ground surely is more suited to bjj no?

Maybe, but as Joey pointed out catch wrestling is pretty solid in that regard.
But I don't get why you are singling out submissions? There are other ways to fight/win on the ground.

JoeyJJ

This is worth watching for reactions and balance
https://youtu.be/whCcF7ASyXw

Gamebred

Aldo's BJJ reputation is a myth the fact he bet Cobrinha in a gi donkeys years ago has nothing to do with this fight or how it will go,hasnt submitted anybody in 10 years in mma he was lit up like a christmas tree v mendes,McGregor is going to ruin his legacy with a demolition of him.

StringerBell

Nice of you to drop by Conor

mdwexford

Gamebred wrote: »

Aldo's BJJ reputation is a myth the fact he bet Cobrinha in a gi donkeys years ago has nothing to do with this fight or how it will go,hasnt submitted anybody in 10 years in mma he was lit up like a christmas tree v mendes,McGregor is going to ruin his legacy with a demolition of him.

If Conor stops him in 5 seconds with a flick to the earlobe it won't change the fact he's beaten every top featherweight around and has gone 10 years unbeaten. He's one of the greatest fighters ever regardless.

Gamebred

mdwexford wrote: »

If Conor stops him in 5 seconds with a flick to the earlobe it won't change the fact he's beaten every top featherweight around and has gone 10 years unbeaten. He's one of the greatest fighters ever regardless.

Hosay has decisioned all the journeymen without usada testing,he will be remembered as the little brazilian who was part of McGoat's highlight reel when its all said and done,im glad hes going out on a payday for his troubles.

CanelovsCotto

Gamebred wrote: »

Hosay has decisioned all the journeymen without usada testing,he will be remembered as the little brazilian who was part of McGoat's highlight reel when its all said and done,im glad hes going out on a payday for his troubles.

While you're here, who'll win this weekend, Canelo or Cotto?

Lukker-

CanelovsCotto wrote: »

While you're here, who'll win this weekend, Canelo or Cotto?

Conor

mdwexford

Gamebred wrote: »

Hosay has decisioned all the journeymen without usada testing,he will be remembered as the little brazilian who was part of McGoat's highlight reel when its all said and done,im glad hes going out on a payday for his troubles.

Hope you continue to post.

You have some stellar contributions so far.

Gamebred

CanelovsCotto wrote: »

While you're here, who'll win this weekend, Canelo or Cotto?

I Believe Canelo is having trouble cutting weight but he is too athletic and powerful,Canelo by decision would be my prediction.

dave1982

Gamebred wrote: »

Hosay has decisioned all the journeymen without usada testing,he will be remembered as the little brazilian who was part of McGoat's highlight reel when its all said and done,im glad hes going out on a payday for his troubles.

30 seconds into the fight when Aldo lands 1st leg kick, conor will be reminded why Aldo is champion

Devastator

mdwexford wrote: »

Hope you continue to post.

You have some stellar contributions so far.

off the charts!

Saipanne

dave1982 wrote: »

30 seconds into the fight when Aldo lands 1st leg kick, conor will be reminded why Aldo is champion

I'm not as deluded as that guy, but will they be as effective against a southpaw stance and against a fighter with that reach/range?

JustTheOne

Saipanne wrote: »

I'm not as deluded as that guy, but will they be as effective against a southpaw stance and against a fighter with that reach/range?

Roddy said today they have been practicing in training and conor has them sussed:)

Gamebred

dave1982 wrote: »

30 seconds into the fight when Aldo lands 1st leg kick, conor will be reminded why Aldo is champion

Basic Muay thai wont be of any help to Aldo,He will be walked down against the cage and wont be in any position to throw leg kicks,the irony when Conor starts to throw capoeira kicks as an insult to him will be the sign for the Aldo fans that its over as a contest and its only a matter of time before the k.o,Conor is the greatest striker in unarmed combat history if you would like a wager on the fight with me its no problem.

dave1982

Saipanne wrote: »

I'm not as deluded as that guy, but will they be as effective against a southpaw stance and against a fighter with that reach/range?

I'm looking forward to seeing if they do

jamok

Saipanne wrote: »

I'm not as deluded as that guy, but will they be as effective against a southpaw stance and against a fighter with that reach/range?

Kenny Florain was a long southpaw fighter. Aldo had some success with the inside leg kick against him in their fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRVxH32xIw4

killwill

Gamebred wrote: »

Basic Muay thai wont be of any help to Aldo,He will be walked down against the cage and wont be in any position to throw leg kicks,the irony when Conor starts to throw capoeira kicks as an insult to him will be the sign for the Aldo fans that its over as a contest and its only a matter of time before the k.o,Conor is the greatest striker in unarmed combat history if you would like a wager on the fight with me its no problem.

Bold statement there man!
I reckon this fight will end up going the distance.

Tigger

mdwexford wrote: »

If Conor stops him in 5 seconds with a flick to the earlobe it won't change the fact he's beaten every top featherweight around and has gone 10 years unbeaten. He's one of the greatest fighters ever regardless.

Like rousey ?

Tigger

jamok wrote: »

Kenny Florain was a long southpaw fighter. Aldo had some success with the inside leg kick against him in their fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRVxH32xIw4

Kennny was a journeyman and most of his wins were subs
I think Conor has a lot more snap in his left and that he won't Persue the takedown like Jenny did in that vid

jamok

Tigger wrote: »

Kennny was a journey man

I would disagree, he fought for three world titles in two different weight classes, one being against arguably the best lightweight ever in BJ Penn and the best featherweight ever in Aldo.

If that means he a journeyman in your eyes so be it.

Tigger

He fought anyone at any weight (he could realistically make)
That's the definition of a journeyman
let's not fight tho there's too much push in this forum sometimes;
I respect your opinion and I have mine
What about the takedowns it's clear from the vid you posted that he got hurt so decided to go for a takedown but I think Conor is that "that hurt I better move faster" type

Tigger

Oh yeah I came here to post this

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/20/9768106/ufc-194-news-jose-aldo-rumors-gym-rats-spies

The thick plottens

Saipanne

Tigger wrote: »

Oh yeah I came here to post this

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/20/9768106/ufc-194-news-jose-aldo-rumors-gym-rats-spies

The thick plottens

Doesn't sound like a focused mind.

Tigger

Saipanne wrote: »

Doesn't sound like a focused mind.

+1
It's paranoia at the least and probably a prelude to not turning up

JustTheOne

Tigger wrote: »

+1
It's paranoia at the least and probably a prelude to not turning up

He'll turn up alright.

mdwexford

Tigger wrote: »

Like rousey ?

One fight doesn't change my opinion of Ronda.

She's still a beast and the greatest female fighter around.