Tipp v Galway. A.I. semi final 2015 Sunday 16th August

mickmackey1

spiralism wrote: »

I had a Welsh fella living in Amsterdam message me at full time saying "great hurling, tipp were robbed" Nice knowing that people abroad got to experience that match

He was obviously watching a different match so :pac:

citykat

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

To be fair to Canning he hit some bad wides again today but that pass for Maloney at the very end was exquisite.

Thought Canning played well today. Never gave up in spite of poor peno/wides.

Anonymou

Any way lads of watching highlights of this from the US? of course I would leave the country just before the best game of the summer!!

MajesticDonkey

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Fair play to Seamus Callanan, great interview by him, wishing Galway all the best in the final despite his head being all over the place after that game

Where was this interview you speak of? RTE coverage ended very abruptly...?

thinkstoomuch1

citykat wrote: »

Thought Canning played well today. Never gave up in spite of poor peno/wides.

Thought he had a fine game also with Andy Smith also brilliant

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Just back from the match... Wow is only word for it.. Incredible atmosphere, incredible game and an incredible result.

Though Barry Kelly was shocking, he had an awful game altogether! Some of the calls he made were downright disgraceful.

As for the match, I've never seen a team wanting to lose so badly yet win so much at the same time. Every single time we clawed our way back after we conceded a goal, goal opportunity (how did Tipp not score from the Bonnar chance) or penalty. Everyone around me was in disbelief that Callanan was left alone with Mannion. He should have been double marked, saw a few people here mention Johnny Coen but he was cleaned out of it by Walter Walsh a few years back in an AI final and Callanan is a superior player.

If I was a Tipp man I'd be fuming. Letting Galway back into the game about 3 or 4 times, this despite them dominating the middle third. It didn't feel like Galway won a single puck out today, and throw in the fact they didn't concede a goal and that Callanan was pretty much left to do what he wanted it's amazing that they lost. Bubbles and Patrick Maher were anonymous, it was essentially left to Callanan to get all their scores. If he had of scored the penalty it was game over.

But Jesus, serious credit to Galway. To concede 3 goals and come back every time was remarkable. Dominated every aspect other than our FB and puck-outs. Every single player can hold their head up high with the exception of Padraig Mannion (even though it wasn't his fault) and Joe Cooney. Cyril Donnellan didn't offer much of a scoring threat but my god he put in a serious shift. Still in absolute shock that we won, and against Tipp of all teams who are somewhat of a bogey team for us.

Gaillimh Abú!!!!!!!!!

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

And can I give a special mention to that Joe Canning pass. Fúck me, I was nearly going into cardiac arrest at the time...

citykat

THFC wrote: »

Though Barry Kelly was shocking, he had an awful game altogether! Some of the calls he made were downright disgraceful.

Gaillimh Abú!!!!!!!!!

Cannot agree with that at all. What were these disgraceful calls?

rebel girl 15

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

Where was this interview you speak of? RTE coverage ended very abruptly...?

Sky sports 5

washman3

THFC wrote: »

Just back from the match... Wow is only word for it.. Incredible atmosphere, incredible game and an incredible result.

Though Barry Kelly was shocking, he had an awful game altogether! Some of the calls he made were downright disgraceful.
Gaillimh Abú!!!!!!!!!

Think you need to watch the game again.!
Barry Kelly done well today, very well in fact. And I have been one of his biggest critics in past games here on this forum. He contributed hugely to an epic game.
Both teams would question a decision or two but overall BK was not the reason Tipp lost or Galway won. A very,very difficult match to ref, it was incredible stuff played at breakneck speed.
You simply don't get an epic game with incredible atmosphere and incredible result (as you describe it) with a shocking referee.
Enjoy the day for what it was, a brilliant and deserved Galway victory.
I really hope they can do it now.

andyman

I thought the best moment of the match was when Marty spoke about the linesman's mother winning 40k on Marty Whelan last night.

The most Irish thing I've ever heard.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

citykat wrote: »

Cannot agree with that at all. What were these disgraceful calls?

washman3 wrote: »

Think you need to watch the game again.!
Barry Kelly done well today, very well in fact. And I have been one of his biggest critics in past games here on this forum. He contributed hugely to an epic game.
Both teams would question a decision or two but overall BK was not the reason Tipp lost or Galway won. A very,very difficult match to ref, it was incredible stuff played at breakneck speed.
You simply don't get an epic game with incredible atmosphere and incredible result (as you describe it) with a shocking referee.
Enjoy the day for what it was, a brilliant and deserved Galway victory.
I really hope they can do it now.

Ah jesus, there were a numerous amount a bad calls and non-decisions. To name a few off the top of my head - penalising Tipp player for puck out, penalising Canning, not giving blatant frees to Canning and Glynn that were obvious as sin, the free to Bubbles at the end of the first half, not penalising a Galway player (not sure who it was) for striking Woodlock I think it was, and in the second half Galway got two very soft frees. Don't think his performance is in question to be honest, was a big talking point coming out of the stadium - by both sets of fans. These are just the ones off the top of my head, I'm sure it'll be highlighted tonight on the Sunday Game,

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he was the reason either team lost or won (I think he fair tbh, just incompetent), I'm just saying he had an awful game.

Hulk Hands

Draw

I'm a football snob but thats probably the best game ive ever witnesed. Tannion in the last 10 mins, wow. Davy Burke all game. Cathal mannion is a seriously classy hurler, as is jason Flynn. Still in shock mode. Amazing stuff

Gentleman Off The Pitch

washman3 wrote: »

Think you need to watch the game again.!
Barry Kelly done well today, very well in fact. And I have been one of his biggest critics in past games here on this forum. He contributed hugely to an epic game.
Both teams would question a decision or two but overall BK was not the reason Tipp lost or Galway won. A very,very difficult match to ref, it was incredible stuff played at breakneck speed.
You simply don't get an epic game with incredible atmosphere and incredible result (as you describe it) with a shocking referee.
Enjoy the day for what it was, a brilliant and deserved Galway victory.
I really hope they can do it now.

The very same sentiment was used to dismiss some shocking decisions by Kelly in the All-Ireland final last year, that because the game was so good, individual decisions by Kelly couldn't be questioned, we were simply to accept that Kelly contributed to an excellent game.

The entertainment value of a game or the result should never determine whether or not a referees performance should be scrutinized.

If I recall correctly, in the first 15 minutes alone of the game today Duignan had highlighted three apparent errors by Kelly

keeponhurling

Galway

andyman wrote: »

I thought the best moment of the match was when Marty spoke about the linesman's mother winning 40k on Marty Whelan last night.

The most Irish thing I've ever heard.

Mother in law, if I recall

THFC

THFC wrote: »

penalising Tipp player for puck out,

I agree with the rest of your comments some of his decisions were terrible mostly going against Galway, the free given against Canning was a disgrace and the amount of pushing the tipp backs got away with on Glynn and canning was madness.

But he should have been pulling tipp many more times for puck outs, the player receiving the puck out has to be outside the 21 and they weren't many times, only once were they pulled on it and it was 100% the correct decision.

Mushy

Galway

Rex Strong Flamingo wrote: »

I agree with the rest of your comments some of his decisions were terrible mostly going against Galway, the free given against Canning was a disgrace and the amount of pushing the tipp backs got away with on Glynn and canning was madness.

But he should have been pulling tipp many more times for puck outs, the player receiving the puck out has to be outside the 21 and they weren't many times, only once were they pulled on it and it was 100% the correct decision.

Commentators said opposite, it just has to be 13 metres now apparently.

Canning should've been sent off too.

citykat

Rex Strong Flamingo wrote: »

I agree with the rest of your comments some of his decisions were terrible mostly going against Galway, the free given against Canning was a disgrace and the amount of pushing the tipp backs got away with on Glynn and canning was madness.

But he should have been pulling tipp many more times for puck outs, the player receiving the puck out has to be outside the 21 and they weren't many times, only once were they pulled on it and it was 100% the correct decision.

Glynn and Canning especially gave as good as they got don't worry. If you want a whistlefest fair enough. You can forget about any kind of a spectacle though.

zetecescort

from the rulebook

2.6 When the ball is played over the endline by the
team attacking that end or after a score, play
is restarted by a puck-out from within the small
rectangle.
The player taking a puck-out shall take the ball
into his hand, but should he miss his stroke,
the ball may be struck on the ground or may be
raised with and struck with the hurley, but not
taken into his hand again before striking it. The
player taking the puck-out may strike the ball
more than once before another player touches
it.
All players shall be outside the 20m line until
the ball has been struck except the goalkeeper
and the player taking the puck-out - if other
than the goalkeeper.
The ball shall travel 13m before being played
by another player of the defending team.

citykat

THFC wrote: »

Ah jesus, there were a numerous amount a bad calls and non-decisions. To name a few off the top of my head - penalising Tipp player for puck out, penalising Canning, not giving blatant frees to Canning and Glynn that were obvious as sin, the free to Bubbles at the end of the first half, not penalising a Galway player (not sure who it was) for striking Woodlock I think it was, and in the second half Galway got two very soft frees. Don't think his performance is in question to be honest, was a big talking point coming out of the stadium - by both sets of fans. These are just the ones off the top of my head, I'm sure it'll be highlighted tonight on the Sunday Game,

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he was the reason either team lost or won (I think he fair tbh, just incompetent), I'm just saying he had an awful game.

So basically he missed things on both sides. That's what you want in a match ref. What you don't want is a ref going to town on one team. He's only human. He's going to miss the odd one in a game like that.

JeffKenna

keeponhurling wrote: »

Mother in law, if I recall

Brother actually

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

zetecescort wrote: »

from the rulebook

Yes, but players are allowed to travel inside the 21 and collect it there once they were outside when the puck out is taken. Says nothing about being prohibited from collecting the ball inside the 21.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

citykat wrote: »

So basically he missed things on both sides. That's what you want in a match ref. What you don't want is a ref going to town on one team. He's only human. He's going to miss the odd one in a game like that.

My days.. Is a competent, fair ref too much to ask for? If it is there is something seriously wrong..

jluv

Was working today so could only listen on radio and at that it was heartstopping stuff..got to watch highlights there on Sunday Game..brilliant! Hard to lose under those circumstances but neither team gave up which made for great viewing..Roll on the 6th and PG the hurling will be s good as today..

jelutong

Galway

A few Hurley throwing incidents today. Any action taken I wonder?

threeball

Draw

THFC wrote: »

My days.. Is a competent, fair ref too much to ask for? If it is there is something seriously wrong..

Couldn't really fault Kelly today, he made some wrong calls both ways. My biggest bugbear with him is his insistence not to indicate which way the free is going or what it was for until he arrives at the scene of the crime. It drives me soft.
If we lost today it wouldn't have been because of Barry Kelly. Despite being by far the better team we left Tipp in it by isolating our back line in one on ones with Callinan and by having Tannion everywhere bar the centre back position leaving the Centre channel wide open, add that to the goal misses and multiple wides and we should have been out of sight with 20 to go.

keeponhurling

Galway

Great performance by Galway, but they were a whisker away from defeat purely due to getting cleaned at full back

dastardly00

threeball wrote: »

Couldn't really fault Kelly today, he made some wrong calls both ways.

As the saying goes: two wrongs don't make a right. That is, making wrong calls for both Galway and Tipp doesn't mean that Kelly had a good game.

Paarthurnax

Galway

Well done to Galway, hope ye wake the west in September by bring Liam across the river. Very disappointed from a Tipp perspective but ye deserved it!
If I was told this morning that Callanan was going to score 3-9 I would have put the house on it.

Enjoyed the banter with the Galway support before and after the game, good crowd!

washman3

THFC wrote: »

Ah jesus, there were a numerous amount a bad calls and non-decisions. To name a few off the top of my head - penalising Tipp player for puck out, penalising Canning, not giving blatant frees to Canning and Glynn that were obvious as sin, the free to Bubbles at the end of the first half, not penalising a Galway player (not sure who it was) for striking Woodlock I think it was, and in the second half Galway got two very soft frees. Don't think his performance is in question to be honest, was a big talking point coming out of the stadium - by both sets of fans. These are just the ones off the top of my head, I'm sure it'll be highlighted tonight on the Sunday Game,

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he was the reason either team lost or won (I think he fair tbh, just incompetent), I'm just saying he had an awful game.

Watch it again during he cold light of day, you might change your mind.
He got some calls wrong, nothing overly drastic. Sunday Game panel not critical of him at all, that's enough for me, and I've been a big critic of him in other games.
Woodlock incident was impossible for him to see but he did consult the linesman, maybe in his view Woodlock injured himself committing the third man tackle. he simply did not see the strike (which would've been a harsh red anyway)
Cannings flick to Tipp full-back was careless and dangerous, but a red card.? definitely not. Not was as dangerous as Galway full-backs tackle on Callinan for the penalty.

washman3

THFC wrote: »

My days.. Is a competent, fair ref too much to ask for? If it is there is something seriously wrong..

Think the guy you need isn't around anymore, he died on a cross 2015 years ago.;)

threeball

Draw

dastardly00 wrote: »

As the saying goes: two wrongs don't make a right. That is, making wrong calls for both Galway and Tipp doesn't mean that Kelly had a good game.

No ref gets everything right. Kellys performance today was perfectly acceptable

blackcard

washman3 wrote: »

Watch it again during he cold light of day, you might change your mind.
He got some calls wrong, nothing overly drastic. Sunday Game panel not critical of him at all, that's enough for me, and I've been a big critic of him in other games.
Woodlock incident was impossible for him to see but he did consult the linesman, maybe in his view Woodlock injured himself committing the third man tackle. he simply did not see the strike (which would've been a harsh red anyway)
Cannings flick to Tipp full-back was careless and dangerous, but a red card.? definitely not. Not was as dangerous as Galway full-backs tackle on Callinan for the penalty.

Joe, great player that he is, has been sailing close to the wind this year with his indiscriminate flailing of the hurl, usen't to be like that up to this year

RoyalCelt

Game of the year!

Amprodude

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Game of the year!

There is a Final to be played yet!

eigrod

Well done Galway. I don't go with the 'a draw would have been a fair result' thing at all. Thought Galway were the better team overall. They dominated the middle third of the field and not many teams would just keep the scoreboard ticking over after conceding goals like they did. They got some great long range points. Special mention to both goalkeepers - fantastic displays by both.

Royal Legend

Draw

great game yesterday, best of the year so far.

Galway deserved it, really thought that they would need at least one goal to win it, especially with Callinan scoring three.

one comment i would make, its great to see the hunger in the Galway team, I think they will be a match in that respect with Kilkenny in the final, what i would worry about is Cunningham, he seemed to get too wrapped up in the atmosphere, getting into the spirit of it on the sideline is one thing, but to not be doing your job because of it is another. he nearly cost Galway the game by not switching Mannion off of Callinan, Cody will eat him for Breakfast if he does that in the AI Final.

TheNap

Padraig Mannion spent the whole game fist pumping and screaming in Callinans face.

Hopefully now he has learnt his lesson.

One of the best performances i have ever witnessed in Croke Park from Seamie.

I was a neutral in there yesterday . A Galway man behind me said Callinan wouldnt want to know against Mannion as he is 'shy'

I asked him with 5 mins to go if he still thinks he is shy.

Hopefully yesterday put all that rubbish to bed.

What a class act.

citykat

washman3 wrote: »

Watch it again during he cold light of day

Good point. They don't show replays of 'controversial' decisions in Croke park for fear of rousing the plebs. The result being that supporters of either team end up getting worked up over the ref decisions. The ref for the drawn minor semi was booed off the pitch, wrongly in my view, by KK fans. When I looked at it again on the box, he didn't do a whole lot wrong for either side and certainly not KK. I think supporters, whose blood is up, walking out of CP are not the most impartial or rational judges of a refs performance.

Royal Legend

Draw

TheNap wrote: »

Padraig Mannion spent the whole game fist pumping and screaming in Callinans face.

Hopefully now he has learnt his lesson.

One of the best performances i have ever witnessed in Croke Park from Seamie.

I was a neutral in there yesterday . A Galway man behind me said Callinan wouldnt want to know against Mannion as he is 'shy'

I asked him with 5 mins to go if he still thinks he is shy.

Hopefully yesterday put all that rubbish to bed.

What a class act.

Just goes to prove being too pumped off does not help you play properly, callnans 3-4 from play proves that.

dastardly00

citykat wrote: »

Good point. They don't show replays of 'controversial' decisions in Croke park for fear of rousing the plebs. The result being that supporters of either team end up getting worked up over the ref decisions. The ref for the drawn minor semi was booed off the pitch, wrongly in my view, by KK fans. When I looked at it again on the box, he didn't do a whole lot wrong for either side and certainly not KK. I think supporters, whose blood is up, walking out of CP are not the most impartial or rational judges of a refs performance.

I agree with your overall point, but with regards to the bit I have bolded, KK fans were probably booing the ref because of Galway's third goal that was a square ball. Sometimes the criticism is maybe warranted.

Edit: Are you referring to the ref in yesterday's match, or the week before?

citykat

dastardly00 wrote: »

I agree with your overall point, but with regards to the bit I have bolded, KK fans were probably booing the ref because of Galway's third goal that was a square ball. Sometimes the criticism is maybe warranted.

Edit: Are you referring to the ref in yesterday's match, or the week before?

Draw. Lyons is a poor ref imo.

dastardly00

jelutong wrote: »

A few Hurley throwing incidents today. Any action taken I wonder?

This would have caused some shítstorm had Maher prevented Moloney scoring this point. Now Canning would have scored the resulting free, but imagine if he missed it :eek:

adrian522

Galway

Given who was reffing it could just as likely been a free out.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan

dastardly00 wrote: »

This would have caused some shítstorm had Maher prevented Moloney scoring this point. Now Canning would have scored the resulting free, but imagine if he missed it :eek:

Is throwing the hurl not a straight red? I've seen it done in the recent past in championship matches and no one has been penalised for it.

cson

Did Maher get booked for that? Its an automatic yellow iirc.

Remember seeing the hurl flying across Shane Maloney as he took the shot but we were all going mental when it went over so I can't recall if Maher got booked or not.

paul08

TheNap wrote: »

Padraig Mannion spent the whole game fist pumping and screaming in Callinans face.

Hopefully now he has learnt his lesson.

One of the best performances i have ever witnessed in Croke Park from Seamie.

I was a neutral in there yesterday . A Galway man behind me said Callinan wouldnt want to know against Mannion as he is 'shy'

I asked him with 5 mins to go if he still thinks he is shy.

Hopefully yesterday put all that rubbish to bed.

What a class act.

Callanan was giving plenty of it as well.

dastardly00

Dr. Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Is throwing the hurl not a straight red? I've seen it done in the recent past in championship matches and no one has been penalised for it.

It's a yellow card.

5.7 To throw the hurley in a manner which constitutes a danger to another player(s).

PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS – (i) Caution offender; order off for second cautionable foul.

dastardly00

cson wrote: »

Did Maher get booked for that?

He should have been booked, but I don't think he was.

Tipp took a pretty quick puck-out after Moloney's point so I think if Barry Kelly was going to book Maher, there would have been a short delay. Now maybe Kelly flashed the yellow at Maher and let Gleeson continue with his puck-out.

glued

Galway

Yeah, Mannion and Tannion couldn't have looked more small time yesterday. Tannion won a soft free midway through the second half and jumped around as if Galway had won the All-Ireland.

Barry Kelly shouldn't be allowed to ref a game at the business end of the season after that performance yesterday. He was completely erratic and wildly inconsistent with his decision making. He blew up a couple of times for good hooks and didn't really control the game at all. I think Galway definitely got the better of his decisions yesterday but he made poor decisions on both sides.

Although thank god he didn't get injured yesterday or we would of hat to suffer Kirwan, who is by a mile the worst senior referee in the country.

Best of luck to Galway in the final but you have to feel as if it's Kilkenny's to lose at this point. Tipp should have been beaten by more yesterday and Galway kept letting them back in. Eamon O'Shea's decision making was pretty poor yesterday. Failed to change the game at all and his subs came far too late and the one change that he did make early was a poor decision. Pretty poor performance by Tipp but I'm sure under new management they can bounce back next season.