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Jobstown water protesters to be charged

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    #452
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Graham wrote: »
    If only there were some way to change the government that the entire population could participate in. :rolleyes:

    That depends on whose "government" you are referring to.

    Kenny has no overall mandate,and his party never had.

    Still.

    There goes "democracy".


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    #453
    billyhead
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    I looked at the you tube videos and am not surprised people will face public order charges and false imprisonment charges over this. The way the crowd protested wasn't very civilised and to prevent her from leaving in her car is bad form. She must have been very nervous that things could have escalated into physical violence. Also why are a lot of the protesters holding up their mobile phone recording the event. Looks like they were hoping the gardai would put a foot wrong and possible physically assault someone so they could take him or her to the cleaners. If that's the case there a bunch of scumbags although I am not surprised by some of the people who live out in that area of Dublin.


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    #454
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    gladrags wrote: »
    That depends on whose "government" you are referring to.

    Kenny has no overall mandate,and his party never had.

    Still.

    There goes "democracy".

    Nothing to stop you standing at the next elections.


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    #455
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Graham wrote: »
    Nothing to stop you standing at the next elections.

    With a "New Politics" manifesto.?


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    #456
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    gladrags wrote: »
    With a "New Politics" manifesto.?

    Contact Denis first, i hear he's great at funding political parties!

    When your in, just throw him a few Gov contracts and your both happy!


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    #457
    voter1983
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    Roll on the trial. I can't wait to see the smirk wiped off Murphy's face when he and his rent-a-mob are led away in chains!


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    #458
    [Deleted User]
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    voter1983 wrote: »
    Roll on the trial. I can't wait to see the smirk wiped off Murphy's face when he and his rent-a-mob are led away in chains!

    While I'm not a Paul Murphy fan, I just want to see justice done. The events of that day were a new low for Ireland and ones I never want to see here again.


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    #459
    drdeadlift
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    Nobody will be jailed.


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    #460
    Iwasfrozen
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    drdeadlift wrote: »
    Nobody will be jailed.

    Famous last words. I'm hoping for a fine and hefty jail term.


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    #461
    drdeadlift
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    Im unbiased.I dont really care.Vut thats my guess at the oucome.
    But seeing the links between the dpp and lab i could be wrong.


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    #462
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    drdeadlift wrote: »
    But seeing the links between the dpp and lab i could be wrong.

    Neither the DPP or the Labour Party get to pass sentences.

    I'm sure there will be a conspiracy theorist along any second to refute that fact.


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    #463
    drdeadlift
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    Graham wrote: »
    Neither the DPP or the Labour Party get to pass sentences.

    I'm sure there will be a conspiracy theorist along any second to refute that fact.

    But they do get ppl into the courtroom.


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    #464
    NorthStars
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    drdeadlift wrote: »
    But they do get ppl into the courtroom.

    It helps when the niece of Brendan Howlin is the one making the decision to bring it to court.....


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    JustTheOne
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    It helps when the niece of Brendan Howlin is the one making the decision to bring it to court.....

    Didn't take long.


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    michael999999
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    It helps when the niece of Brendan Howlin is the one making the decision to bring it to court.....

    Could we post her a copy of The Moriarty Tribunal?


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    #467
    NorthStars
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Didn't take long.

    Very observant.;)


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    NorthStars
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    michael999999 wrote: »
    Could we post her a copy of The Moriarty Tribunal?

    No point.


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    #469
    JustTheOne
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    Very observant.;)

    Hardy hah.


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    222233
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    Totally agree with any charges if this had happened to anyone else who didn't happen to be involved in government there would be various radio stations face booking about how awful it is etc. Water aside, it's wrong either way. What happened to peaceful protesting


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    AlekSmart
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    It helps when the niece of Brendan Howlin is the one making the decision to bring it to court.....

    Presumably,Deputy Murphy's Legal Team will be able to move to have any charges struck-out because of this familial connection.

    I would imagine that once the Deputy's Lawyers can prove that the prosecution is compromised by Ms Howlin's relationship,the rest will be easy....;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    NorthStars
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    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Presumably,Deputy Murphy's Legal Team will be able to move to have any charges struck-out because of this familial connection.

    I would imagine that once the Deputy's Lawyers can prove that the prosecution is compromised by Ms Howlin's relationship,the rest will be easy....;)

    There's a reason why labour are at 6% in the latest polls.
    If this connection is proven or tested in court they'll be on zero....
    It never ceases to amaze me how this government has taken the massive goodwill they were given by people in 2011, myself included, and thrown it back in the electorate's faces.


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    Streetwalker
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    There's a reason why labour are at 6% in the latest polls.
    If this connection is proven or tested in court they'll be on zero....
    It never ceases to amaze me how this government has taken the massive goodwill they were given by people in 2011, myself included, and thrown it back in the electorate's faces.

    They had a massive mandate to change the way the country is run for everyone of our citizens good and they just continued on where FF left off with their noses in the trough.


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    michael999999
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    Streetwalker wrote: »
    They had a massive mandate to change the way the country is run for everyone of our citizens good and they just continued on where FF left off with their noses in the trough.

    And pulled Denis into the trough with them!


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    Billy86
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    Streetwalker wrote: »
    They had a massive mandate to change the way the country is run for everyone of our citizens good and they just continued on where FF left off with their noses in the trough.

    Yep, couldn't agree anymore. The country, unemployment and economically especially, is every bit as bad now as it was four years ago. What's worse is there have been no major social reforms either, no major changes made that would have Ireland considered a trendsetter or garner us any global attention.


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    #476
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    NorthStars wrote: »
    If this connection is proven or tested in court they'll be on zero....

    I know this is your usual misdirect, redirect when you've nothing else but...

    Does the family connection really need to be proved in court? It's probably already accepted that the connection exists.

    Apart from your assumption that this is automatically grounds for a mistrial have you anything at all?


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    #477
    gladrags
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    Graham wrote: »
    I know this is your usual misdirect, redirect when you've nothing else but...

    Does the family connection really need to be proved in court? It's probably already accepted that the connection exists.

    Apart from your assumption that this is automatically grounds for a mistrial have you anything at all?

    There are a other well founded issues surrounding this issue.

    And the most fundamental as far as I can tell,is the ridiculous absurdity that no one has been charged yet,unless you call trial by media a legal entity.

    A very dangerous precedent,all of which in the first instance indicates,the potency and damage,the water protests have had on exposing Kenny and Burtons baseless ideology.


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    #478
    Graham
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    gladrags wrote: »
    There are a other well founded issues surrounding this issue.

    That's a lot of issues.
    gladrags wrote: »
    And the most fundamental as far as I can tell,is the ridiculous absurdity that no one has been charged yet,unless you call trial by media a legal entity.

    I just took a really in-depth look through the constitution and all relevant legislation.

    Brace yourself now, it sounds like this may come as a shock:

    It's not a crime to be related to someone.


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    #479
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    While I'm not a Paul Murphy fan, I just want to see justice done. The events of that day were a new low for Ireland and ones I never want to see here again.

    Fortunately,it is not for mob rule to decide in what format,justice is meted out.

    We have had enough of that form of rabble in this country.

    Your claim that this is a "new low" for this country is an insult to the many who have suffered injustice and false imprisonment,as a result of a baying mob.


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    #480
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Graham wrote: »
    That's a lot of issues.



    I just took a really in-depth look through the constitution and all relevant legislation.

    Brace yourself now, it sounds like this may come as a shock:

    It's not a crime to be related to someone.

    Were does it say in the constitution or anywere else that legally,judgement precedes an individuals right to innocence.?

    It must have been a failed state constitution,because it most certainly was not the Irish constitution.


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    #481
    Satriale
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    gladrags wrote: »
    Fortunately,it is not for mob rule to decide in what format,justice is meted out.

    We have had enough of that form of rabble in this country.

    Your claim that this is a "new low" for this country is an insult to the many who have suffered injustice and false imprisonment,as a result of a baying mob.

    They are gone beyond a joke at this stage GL, there was one of them looking for the protesters to be given head injuries to teach them a lesson a while ago.

    Wishing violence on people, it just doesnt make sense to me. :confused:


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